Privacy-destroying Internet bill (CISPA) goes to vote this Monday, without massive resistance, it's
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Welp, better not browse /b/ any more because what if there happens to be CP on the front page. Off to jail for me.
fucking hell lol what is it with lobbying
why does it even exist
Why doesn't this have like a crap load of pages?
I don't get how any of these can be passed. I mean there are what, 5 of these? At least? ACTA, SOPA, PIPA, this one, like fuck off government. You already control every other aspect of our lives, leave us the fuck alone already.
I'm extremely anxious about tomorrow.
[QUOTE=Jurikuer;35669300]I don't get how any of these can be passed. I mean there are what, 5 of these? At least? ACTA, SOPA, PIPA, this one, like fuck off government. You already control every other aspect of our lives, leave us the fuck alone already.[/QUOTE]
They won't stop until they control how you walk.
[QUOTE=Amplified;35673580]I'm extremely anxious about tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
The bill is blatantly unconstitutional. Here's hoping that still matters enough to get it blocked.
This fucking law harassment irritates me beyond any limit.
The people who stay behind this(and think about themselves as of invisible and almighty ones) infuriate me.
The whole fucking idea that someone can have any info on me because he wants to, despite any constitution or law, makes me want to murder that person responsible for that in most painful way imaginable.
Let's just hope this bill won't pass so everyone(with an exception of men who made this bill) can be happy.
Now we wait...
That video on OP only has about 80,000 views. We are fucked gentlemen
I tried:
[img]http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/2697/govlh.jpg[/img]
Looking at related vids in OP, apparently "Ass Pennies" has more than double views than this.
We're boned.
Today is doomsday
It was an honor talking with you guys.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;35680744]Guys, does this have anything to do with piracy at all?
"to permit federal lawsuits against the government for any violation of restrictions placed on the government’s use of voluntarily shared information, including the important privacy and civil liberties protections contained in the bill," the inclusion of an anti-tasking provision to "explicitly prohibit the government from conditioning its sharing of cyber threat intelligence on the sharing of private sector information with the government," and the prevention of the government from using the information for "any other lawful purpose unless the government already has a significant cybersecurity or national security purpose in using the information." Relevant provisions were also clarified to "focus on the fact that the bill is designed to protect against unauthorized access to networks or systems, including unauthorized access aimed at stealing private or government information."
It doesn't sound good, but it's certainly not as bad as something like SOPA or especially ACTA.[/QUOTE]The only issue with CISPA is that it's rather vague in it's terms for cybersecurity and cybersecurity threats. But this shouldn't be an issue for long if the lawmakers hold dear and edit it to be less vague.
Never the less, it is still being overhyped and [url=http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/04/cispa_isn_t_sopa_2_0_but_you_should_still_be_wary_of_the_latest_congressional_tech_bill_.html]this[/url] explains why.
[quote]Three months ago, the Stop Online Piracy Act was killed by righteous, indignant Internet activists who found the legislation so menacing that they blacked out their sites in protest. Now, the story goes, SOPA is back, like a movie villain rising from the grave for a bloody sequel. CISPA, the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, has been dubbed “SOPA 2.0” by tech blogs, who want you to believe it’s the same devil in a new disguise.
They’re wrong. CISPA is a different devil altogether. And while it’s unlikely to provoke anywhere near the same level of outcry as SOPA, it has the potential to be insidious in its own right. The difference is that, if CISPA is abused, it won’t be the tech firms that get hurt. It will be you.
SOPA was primarily about intellectual property. The bill would have given digital rights-holders—record companies and film studios, for instance—sweeping power to go after websites that appeared to “enable or facilitate” copyright infringement. Those that didn’t comply could be blacklisted. It’s easy to see why companies like Google and Facebook adamantly opposed it. It was a broadside against the culture of free sharing that underpins their business models.
CISPA, in contrast, is about cybersecurity, not your bootleg copy of Avatar. Its main goal is not to protect copyright-holders’ profits, but to protect websites and the government from hackers. Early incarnations of the bill set SOPA opponents on edge with a line about protecting intellectual property. But its bipartisan sponsors, Reps. Mike Rogers of Michigan and Dutch Ruppersberger of Maryland, wisely edited CISPA last week to remove that mention. It should now be clear to all but the most paranoid that CISPA isn’t SOPA 2.0. At this point, to label it as such is to both miss the bill’s legitimate aim and to overlook the bill’s real potential harms.
So what is CISPA all about? The bill’s most important provision would protect companies from lawsuits that might arise from the confidential sharing of “cyber threat information” with the government. But what, exactly, constitutes “cyber threat information”? That’s where it gets a bit murky.
There’s a legitimate aim here to improve communication between the federal government and Web companies when it comes to hacking, whether the attacks come from the Chinese government, Anonymous, or criminal gangs. Right now, both the government and Web firms risk opening themselves to lawsuits if they divulge private information to one another. That makes it hard to track attack patterns, leaving both sides in the dark. The bill sets up a legal framework for them to do that sort of sharing without exposing the information to the public.
And that explains why companies like Facebook and Microsoft, which opposed SOPA, are backing this bill. CISPA doesn’t require Web firms like Facebook to do anything. Rather, it grants their officials special access to the government’s information on “cyber threats”—access the general public doesn’t have.
That sounds good as long as you have full faith in companies and the government not to mishandle any of your information in the name of cybersecurity. The bill’s current language authorizes the sharing of “information pertaining directly to a vulnerability of, or threat to, a system or network of a government or private entity.” Could that information include users’ names, addresses, and credit card numbers? Records of other sites they’ve visited? The bill doesn’t say. How does a company decide whether there’s enough reasonable suspicion to justify sharing a given user’s data? It doesn’t explain that either.
The bill makes it clear that companies aren’t supposed to share information willy-nilly, and the government isn’t supposed to use it for any purpose except cybersecurity. A social-networking company shouldn’t, for example, tell the Department of Homeland Security what books you’re reading, and the NSA shouldn’t start a file on you based on that intelligence. But if they do, you’ll have little legal recourse. In fact, you’ll probably never know about it, since the sharing authorized by CISPA is exempted from the Freedom of Information Act.
Facebook’s response to those who’ve criticized its support for the bill is, basically, “trust us.” In a blog post Friday, its vice president for U.S. public policy explained, “The concern is that companies will share sensitive personal information with the government in the name of protecting cybersecurity. Facebook has no intention of doing this.” That’s good to know. But it’s not a compelling justification for a law that would grant exactly that right to Facebook and any number of other companies.
Unlike SOPA, which was such a mess that its opponents went all out to kill it, some Web activists feel CISPA is salvageable. Rainey Reitman of the nonprofit Electronic Frontier Foundation tells me she’s encouraged by the fact that the bill’s authors have already made multiple rounds of edits. But many critics still seem hung up on the intellectual-property angle. They’re trying to capitalize on anti-SOPA sentiment instead of tackling CISPA on its own terms.
Part of the outrage over SOPA stemmed from the fact that the big tech companies were squeezed out from the bargaining table by entrenched entertainment-industry lobbyists. With CISPA, the tech lobby has been much more involved. Google, for one, has reportedly been working behind closed doors to make the bill palatable to Silicon Valley. But in this case, Web users shouldn’t necessarily be heartened by Google’s dealings, because the company doesn’t share the same interests as its customers. Reitman notes that one of the recent “improvements” to the bill actually broadened companies’ exemptions from liability—a step in the wrong direction for the average citizen.
Other recent amendments have been more encouraging, especially one that requires annual reports to Congress on what’s being shared and how it’s being used. But more changes are needed. The FOIA exemption is irresponsible, given that FOIA already contains provisions to protect information that shouldn’t be shared. And if companies are to have carte blanche to share information related to “cyber threats,” the law must be far clearer on what constitutes a cyber threat and what types of information can be shared.
The absurdity of relying on Google and Facebook to fight for your privacy should be obvious. With corporate Silicon Valley more than happy to have CISPA on the books, the grassroots wing of the geek lobby is going to have to partner instead with traditional civil liberties groups to try and get the bill changed before its scheduled floor vote in the House next week. Surprisingly, the geeks might have a friend in the Obama White House, which signaled its own concerns with CISPA on Tuesday and endorsed a separate cybersecurity bill that faces more opposition from the tech industry.
Internet activists were feeling good after flexing their muscle to beat SOPA. Now we’ll see what happens when they go up against the very companies that helped them win last time around.[/quote]
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;35680813]Google and Facebook support it[/QUOTE]
Game over, gents. We're fucked. Not surprising though, considering they each love messing with their privacy policies all the fucking time.
It was a pleasure serving with you, gentlemen.
So this is getting voted on tomorrow (or today, depending on your time zone).
When does it actually go into effect? This is some ACTUALLY internet destroying bullshit here, I'm going to be setting up a TOR webserver if this passes.
You know, I've been thinking.
Why do these companies support CISPA if they opposed SOPA? I mean it doesn't make sense. I really don't see how the Hollywood producers would be able to bribe all of these majors companies (since they're worth BILLIONS) and not to mention, they didn't say anything about supporting this bill, right?
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Oh, [url=http://lifehacker.com/5900962/why-microsoft-and-facebook-are-pro+cispa-but-anti+sopa]nevermind[/url].
At the very least, Avaaz has like, over 600,000 signatures against it...
[QUOTE=GlebGuy;35681686]You know, I've been thinking.
Why do these companies support CISPA if they opposed SOPA? I mean it doesn't make sense. I really don't see how the Hollywood producers would be able to bribe all of these majors companies (since they're worth BILLIONS) and not to mention, they didn't say anything about supporting this bill, right?[/QUOTE]
Maybe you should [url=http://facepunch.com/threads/1178652?p=35680813&viewfull=1#post35680813]try reading the thread[/url].
I feel really nervous about tomorrow/today. If it does pass, we're all fucked.
All you have to do, is follow the worms.
I don't care how stupid this sounds. You HAVE to protest if this passes. Stop being on your chairs and try actually calling them out for doing this shit!
Surely there should be some law in place that if a bill fails, or rather if the 'theory' or 'principle' behind a bill fails to be passed that they can't just keep pushing for it in a reworded way to sound SLIGHTLY different than the original. I mean until some appreciable time span has elapsed of course.
Goodnight sweet prince, may the internet find the land of the free in the afterlife.
Why the hell haven't I heard of this bill before. They just seem to pop from nowhere.
So today is doomsday apparently. Are they voting today?
[QUOTE=GeneralFredrik;35683012]So today is doomsday apparently. Are they voting today?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but for the bill to take effect, Obama has to sign it.
And he said he will never sign something that censors or stops the internet or something like that, far as I gathered.
We may have a chance that even if passed, we can get his attention and tell him not to sign it.
[QUOTE=GlebGuy;35683171]Yes, but for the bill to take effect, Obama has to sign it.
And he said he will never sign something that censors or stops the internet or something like that, far as I gathered.
We may have a chance that even if passed, we can get his attention and tell him not to.[/QUOTE]
So Obama won't sign it. Then we don't have to worry. Let's just get rid of the morons that produce these bills.
[QUOTE=GlebGuy;35683171]Yes, but for the bill to take effect, Obama has to sign it.
And he said he will never sign something that censors or stops the internet or something like that, far as I gathered.
We may have a chance that even if passed, we can get his attention and tell him not to sign it.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure CISPA was the administration's idea.
Nope.
[url]http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57415581-281/white-house-questions-cispa-cybersecurity-bill/[/url]
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The White House today expressed concerns about a controversial cybersecurity bill that would authorize Internet companies to divulge confidential customer records and communications.
Opposition from the Obama administration -- which stopped short of a veto threat -- could imperil the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, which is scheduled for a House of Representatives floor vote next week. CISPA is intended to improve computer security by allowing companies and government agencies to share sensitive inf
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