• Stephen Hawking joins academic boycott of Israel
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[QUOTE=Stalk;40569681]What came first. The stealing of land or the rockets?[/QUOTE] isn't a better question "[i]who[/i] came first?" [editline]8th May 2013[/editline] oh, never mind, you're one of those "BIG OIL DID IT" conspiracy theorists pretend I never posted, I have better things to do today
"University: Hawking Israel Boycott Story is a Fraud, Trip Canceled for Health Reasons" [url]http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/05/08/report-hawking-israel-boycott-story-was-a-fraud-trip-canceled-for-health-reasons/[/url] OP's article is fake, lock the thread.
[QUOTE=Glorbo;40571465]"University: Hawking Israel Boycott Story is a Fraud, Trip Canceled for Health Reasons" [url]http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/05/08/report-hawking-israel-boycott-story-was-a-fraud-trip-canceled-for-health-reasons/[/url] OP's article is fake, lock the thread.[/QUOTE] Ahaha, nice try. [quote][b]Stephen Hawking confirms he is boycotting Israeli conference[/b] University of Cambridge officials say they erroneously understood Hawking's decision to boycott Israeli Presidential Conference was based solely on health concerns; decision means one of world's most famous scientists has joined BDS movement.[/quote] [url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/stephen-hawking-confirms-he-is-boycotting-israeli-conference-1.519951[/url]
[QUOTE=Glorbo;40571465]"University: Hawking Israel Boycott Story is a Fraud, Trip Canceled for Health Reasons" [url]http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/05/08/report-hawking-israel-boycott-story-was-a-fraud-trip-canceled-for-health-reasons/[/url] OP's article is fake, lock the thread.[/QUOTE] Actually, that was also false. He did end up boycotting. [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/08/stephen-hawking-israel-boycott-pulls-out-of-israel-conference_n_3235337.html?utm_hp_ref=world[/url] [quote] Update: The University of Cambridge retracted its statement of Hawking joining the boycott, citing health concerns as his reason for missing the conference. [B]But when reached for comment and clarification, university spokesman Tim Holt provided The Huffington Post with this response: “We have now received confirmation from Professor Hawking’s office that a letter was sent on Friday to the Israeli President’s office regarding his decision not to attend the Presidential Conference, based on advice from Palestinian academics that he should respect the boycott. “We had understood previously that his decision was based purely on health grounds having been advised by doctors not to fly.”[/B][/quote]
LEL, the Jews gonna be mad.
It feels good that an oppinion youve had for a long time is being backed by such a great person. I can sit here and feel smug and superior without burning any calories myself.
Well at least this thread allows us to find out who here's from Israel
[URL]http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/05/08/report-hawking-israel-boycott-story-was-a-fraud-trip-canceled-for-health-reasons[/URL] That is one serious propaganda website. Frontpage [URL="http://filesmelt.com/"][IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/zionpropaganda.png[/IMG][/URL] Are other news channels and papers in Israel similar? And no, i'm not anti-semetic.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;40571691]Actually, that was also false. He did end up boycotting. [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/08/stephen-hawking-israel-boycott-pulls-out-of-israel-conference_n_3235337.html?utm_hp_ref=world[/url][/QUOTE] Oh, OK. Sorry.
[QUOTE=Cats meow;40571733]Well at least this thread allows us to find out who here's from Israel[/QUOTE]It's like that wonderful tumblr game Spot the Vegan.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;40573515]It's like that wonderful tumblr game Spot the Vegan.[/QUOTE] Or the Reddit game, [I]spot the rejected neckbeard[/I].
[QUOTE=Van-man;40573646]Or the Reddit game, [I]spot the rejected neckbeard[/I].[/QUOTE] Oh please, thats the easiest game in the world.
[QUOTE=Glorbo;40569287]How is an academic boycott even remotely helpful? While academic institutions in Israel are funded partially by the state of Israel, they are some of the biggest centers of pluralism and diversity there are in the country. They're also a hub for a lot of left-wing supporting individuals who actively object the treatment of Palestinians in the west bank and in Gaza. The vast majority of academics and students in universities in Israel object Israel's actions in the occupied territories. An academic boycott against them is a clear dumb, knee-jerk reaction that serves absolutely nothing (except maybe leading to academics leaving Israel, leaving only the right-wing nationalists in charge). You might as well boycott [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B'Tselem]B'Tselem[/url] while you're at it.[/QUOTE] I agree, although from what I've read he's only boycotting the particular event, which is associated directly with the government (and Shimon Peres isn't the absolute worst but he's said plenty of protest-worthy stuff in the past). So while I do think general academic boycotts are really stupid I don't have any issue with this (unless I'm misunderstanding). [editline]8th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ma21212;40571695]LEL, the Jews gonna be mad.[/QUOTE] Fuck off.
[QUOTE=Stalk;40571947][URL]http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/05/08/report-hawking-israel-boycott-story-was-a-fraud-trip-canceled-for-health-reasons[/URL] That is one serious propaganda website. Frontpage [URL="http://filesmelt.com/"][IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/zionpropaganda.png[/IMG][/URL] Are other news channels and papers in Israel similar? And no, i'm not anti-semetic.[/QUOTE] It's almost as if the website is a Jewish newspaper and that's why they're using "jew" and "jewish"
[QUOTE=supersnail11;40577753]It's almost as if the website is a Jewish newspaper and that's why they're using "jew" and "jewish"[/QUOTE] Pretty much, but this is Facepunch and hahahahahaha jewssss
[QUOTE=Glorbo;40570280]Fine, then they should stop collaborating with the affiliated institutions on those matters. But to outright boycott [b]all[/b] of the academic institutes in Israel is an insult to the contribution and effort the people in them put into changing the Israeli policy towards the Palestinians. Also, what scientific institutions do some of the Australian ones refuse to cooperate with?[/QUOTE] Technion University, please massively excuse the source (it's a really awful leftist rag) but its the only non-paywalled news source if you want to read more specifically about the Sydney University case [url]http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/53818[/url]
Technion is practically an arm of the IDF, so it's hard to begrudge BDS for that one. That said, the UK's hands are bloody as hell in that region, from Mandate Palestine all the way up to the yearly thousands of civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. I can't help wondering why nobody's interested in boycotting Dr. Stephen Hawking. Not to diminish Israel's treatment of Palestinians, because it has been and remains pretty egregious, but the fact that the whole of Europe and the Americas gets, at best, a cursory fist-shake for their killing of hundreds of thousands, not to mention realpolitik destabilizations of numerous countries, is a little inequitable. The fact that so much specific and prejudicial European anger is directed at the one nation that is populated by a people who have been historically persecuted in Europe is, at the very least, worthy of scrutiny.
i'd be surprised if you found a single person who criticizes israel and it's policies who isn't equally as critical of the USA's & UK's policies and the shit they've done in iraq & afghanistan. and is it really necessary to make the anti-semitic insinuations? if this was based on racism i'd expect alot less support for the palestinians
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40580195]i'd be surprised if you found a single person who criticizes israel and it's policies who isn't equally as critical of the USA's & UK's policies and the shit they've done in iraq & afghanistan.[/QUOTE] I've never heard anyone, ever, suggest boycotting American or British universities. Are we going to stop buying American goods until they stop laying waste to Pakistan? Or are we just picking the easiest target? [QUOTE=Lachz0r;40580195]and is it really necessary to make the anti-semitic insinuations? if this was based on racism i'd expect alot less support for the palestinians[/QUOTE] If you have to ask, I'm guessing you haven't spent much time dealing with Western Palestinian advocates. More than half the time it's entitled white kids who're happy for an excuse to be, yeah, anti-semitic. I've even seen them yell at actual Palestinians for calling them out on it. Hitler didn't invent anti-semitism, it's been a massive force in Europe for the past thousand years. It's not gone in America, either--my mom's neighbor, with whom we'd had no problems with for the past 20 years, became physically aggressive when I put a Hebrew bumper sticker on my car, yelling about how he "didn't want to see that" and how "you're not like us." So yes, it is necessary. The whole "oh you just call any criticism of Israel anti-semitic" canard is ridiculous in this instance, I have and will be extremely critical of Israeli policy w/r/t Palestine, Lebanon, immigrants, etc. Believe me when I say the pro-Palestine movement, while for a just cause, is rife with bigotry. From Palestinians who have actually suffered under Israeli occupation it's almost understandable, but for Americans and Europeans who have no personal investment in it, it's cynical and inexcusable.
[QUOTE=TH89;40580296]I've never heard anyone, ever, suggest boycotting American or British universities. Are we going to stop buying American goods until they stop laying waste to Pakistan? Or are we just picking the easiest target? If you have to ask, I'm guessing you haven't spent much time dealing with Western Palestinian advocates. More than half the time it's entitled white kids who're happy for an excuse to be, yeah, anti-semitic. I've even seen them yell at actual Palestinians for calling them out on it. Hitler didn't invent anti-semitism, it's been a massive force in Europe for the past thousand years. It's not gone in America, either--my mom's neighbor, with whom we'd had no problems with for the past 20 years, became physically aggressive when I put a Hebrew bumper sticker on my car, yelling about how he "didn't want to see that" and how "you're not like us." So yes, it is necessary. The whole "oh you just call any criticism of Israel anti-semitic" canard is ridiculous in this instance, I have and will be extremely critical of Israeli policy w/r/t Palestine, Lebanon, immigrants, etc. Believe me when I say the pro-Palestine movement, while for a just cause, is rife with bigotry. From Palestinians who have actually suffered under Israeli occupation it's almost understandable, but for Americans and Europeans who have no personal investment in it, it's cynical and inexcusable.[/QUOTE] ok yeah you raise a good point there although i'd say i'm not personally in favour of academic boycotts on anyone cause i dunno, i'm not even sure what it would do. i feel like i'm just as critical of the USA as i am of israel though. and yeah i haven't, i live in new zealand i'm not sure i've even seen a jew before.
[QUOTE=Stalk;40571947][URL]http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/05/08/report-hawking-israel-boycott-story-was-a-fraud-trip-canceled-for-health-reasons[/URL] That is one serious propaganda website. Frontpage [URL="http://filesmelt.com/"][IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/zionpropaganda.png[/IMG][/URL] Are other news channels and papers in Israel similar? And no, i'm not anti-semetic.[/QUOTE] From the comments [quote]Hawking is a racist Jew hater, not unlike the “intellectuals” in the Third Reich who supported Hitler. Hawking’s despicable views about Israel are well known and well documented, the nonsense about his “health problems” has only been brought out due to the bitter and accurate criticism of his anti Semitic behavior. What does Hawking have in common with a “black hole?” They both suck![/quote] My sides
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