• Drones 'inhumane' dead Al-Qaeda man's family says...(irony?)
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Mess with the best, die like the rest.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;36233530] I don't get it.[/QUOTE] there's quite many things you don't seem to get. im not surprised.
[QUOTE=Isuzu;36233795]there's quite many things you don't seem to get. im not surprised.[/QUOTE] Im sorry, but are you suggesting we don't kill them or something? And don't act like the motherfuckers are good in any sense of the word. You seem to believe that we are the only ones they are attacking or something.
Well, America has been successfully terrorizing their country ever since the 9/11 incident.
[QUOTE=Isuzu;36233152] Haha yeah you know those puny brown people!!! they blow themselves up n shit cos they dont value life n all it's not like terrorism is the only possible strategy they have left to fight a behemoth military they couldn't possibly otherwise fight. Newsflash: we c00l and righteous and white westerners actually force these people to give up the only things they have left, their lives, in order to make a statement against our bloody and violent imperialism but luckily our centralized news media can lie about the facts and tell us that those dirty terrists had it coming because they aint white and christian and they wont bow to our imperial oppression :) yeehaw go america dude[/QUOTE] Your poor attempt to accuse the West of mass racism and imperialism would be more convincing if you at least pretended to know anything at all about the actual conflict rather than hop on the "West is bad/imperialist" bandwagon. You're almost as uneducated as the Afghan men who are corrupted by the perverted version of Wahhabism and sent to blow up their fellow countrymen. You're almost as uneducated as the Syrian, Iraqi, Saudi, Yemeni, and Libyan teenagers who come to lose their life in Afghanistan simply because their local Imam spouted some hypocritical, sensationalist, extremist bullshit and told them they would go to heaven. You're almost as uneducated as the Pakistani teenagers who spent their entire lives in madrasahs learning only about Islam and religious texts and have no real education other wise, who are then sent into Afghanistan to die simply because their teachers said "Allah wants you to do this". You're almost as uneducated as the women in the Arabic world, for women cannot get a proper education in almost every Arab nation. You're almost as uneducated as the young Afghan men who have no access to schools and were forced to fight for the Taliban simply because the Taliban threatened to kill their elders or offered the elders $10 for the young men's lives. You disgust me.
[QUOTE=Isuzu;36233152]Haha yeah you know those puny brown people!!! they blow themselves up n shit cos they dont value life n all it's not like terrorism is the only possible strategy they have left to fight a behemoth military they couldn't possibly otherwise fight. Newsflash: we c00l and righteous and white westerners actually force these people to give up the only things they have left, their lives, in order to make a statement against our bloody and violent imperialism but luckily our centralized news media can lie about the facts and tell us that those dirty terrists had it coming because they aint white and christian and they wont bow to our imperial oppression :) yeehaw go america dude[/QUOTE] On the one hand you defend an organisation that is willing to resort to terrorism because (according to you) they have no other way to fight the West, but then criticise the West for being 'imperialistic' when they get pissed off with said organisation for attacking them. I think your logic is a bit twisted.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;36233840]Im sorry, but are you suggesting we don't kill them or something? And don't act like the motherfuckers are good in any sense of the word. You seem to believe that we are the only ones they are attacking or something.[/QUOTE] look dudey, the world isn't as black and white as you'd like to comfortably believe. the US axed legitimate governments in the middle east to install west-friendly, anti soviet puppet despots who terrorized their populations and sent them weapons and cash, only to come back after they stopped being so western-friendly and killing everyone. For all the arabs know, americans are christian fundamentalist imperials who lash out violently against anyone who is squatting on -- OUR OIL!!! -- or provoking them in any way and provoking, to americans, mostly means existing as we can see today with Iran. so it might not look at legitimate in your 12 year old patriot peabrain but these people have a right to fight any oppressor and if the only way to fight them off is guerilla terrorism then by all means why arent they allowed to do that? You were allowed to go and shoot up everyone aswell. Kids included. And you did. you started it. so stop crying once they fight back and enjoy what the wars have brought you. your economy is dead, your politics is a barren wasteland full of fundamentalists, you're losing your civil libertires and youve managed to irritate an entire region [editline]7th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=David29;36233980]On the one hand you defend an organisation that is willing to resort to terrorism because (according to you) they have no other way to fight the West, but then criticise the West for being 'imperialistic' when they get pissed off with said organisation for attacking them. I think your logic is a bit twisted.[/QUOTE] dude 'you' started it. dont cry once they fight back.
I am pretty sure we consider killing living beings as humane when the being in question doesn't suffer out of proportion disfigurement and pain. It's obviously very hard to know what is and what isn't humane when everyone has a different opinion about it.
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;36233885]Your poor attempt to accuse the West of mass racism and imperialism would be more convincing if you at least pretended to know anything at all about the actual conflict rather than hop on the "West is bad/imperialist" bandwagon. You're almost as uneducated as the Afghan men who are corrupted by the perverted version of Wahhabism and sent to blow up their fellow countrymen. You're almost as uneducated as the Syrian, Iraqi, Saudi, Yemeni, and Libyan teenagers who come to lose their life in Afghanistan simply because their local Imam spouted some hypocritical, sensationalist, extremist bullshit and told them they would go to heaven. You're almost as uneducated as the Pakistani teenagers who spent their entire lives in madrasahs learning only about Islam and religious texts and have no real education other wise, who are then sent into Afghanistan to die simply because their teachers said "Allah wants you to do this". You're almost as uneducated as the women in the Arabic world, for women cannot get a proper education in almost every Arab nation. You're almost as uneducated as the young Afghan men who have no access to schools and were forced to fight for the Taliban simply because the Taliban threatened to kill their elders or offered the elders $10 for the young men's lives. You disgust me.[/QUOTE] cool wikipedia headlines that you copy pasted there, its almost like a poem. Gets really funny once you replace "afghan men" with "us soldiers" and "wahhabism" with "christianity" and "allah wants you to do this" with "we have to defend our nation against aggressors on an entirely different continent" :) world politics are so easy when you reduce it to US vs THEM but we are RIGHT!!
[QUOTE=Isuzu;36234031]look dudey, the world isn't as black and white as you'd like to comfortably believe. the US axed legitimate governments in the middle east to install west-friendly, anti soviet puppet despots who terrorized their populations and sent them weapons and cash, only to come back after they stopped being so western-friendly and killing everyone. For all the arabs know, americans are christian fundamentalist imperials who lash out violently against anyone who is squatting on -- OUR OIL!!! -- or provoking them in any way and provoking, to americans, mostly means existing as we can see today with Iran. so it might not look at legitimate in your 12 year old patriot peabrain but these people have a right to fight any oppressor and if the only way to fight them off is guerilla terrorism then by all means why arent they allowed to do that? You were allowed to go and shoot up everyone aswell. Kids included. And you did. you started it. so stop crying once they fight back and enjoy what the wars have brought you. your economy is dead, your politics is a barren wasteland full of fundamentalists, you're losing your civil libertires and youve managed to irritate an entire region[/Quote] You do know that there is no natural oil in Afghanistan, don't you? In fact, scratch that. Do you know [i]anything[/i]? [QUOTE=Isuzu;36234031]dude 'you' started it. dont cry once they fight back.[/QUOTE] How exactly did we start it? I wasn't aware of significant operations against Al Qaeda pre-9/11.
[QUOTE=Isuzu;36234073]cool wikipedia headlines that you copy pasted there, its almost like a poem. Gets really funny once you replace "afghan men" with "us soldiers" and "wahhabism" with "christianity" and "allah wants you to do this" with "we have to defend our nation against aggressors on an entirely different continent" :) world politics are so easy when you reduce it to US vs THEM but we are RIGHT!![/QUOTE] And you prove my point. Beautiful.
[QUOTE=David29;36234081]You do know that there is no natural oil in Afghanistan, don't you?.[/QUOTE] cute, whos talking about afghanistan? [QUOTE=David29;36234081]How exactly did we start it? I wasn't aware of significant operations against Al Qaeda pre-9/11.[/QUOTE] do you really think people one day woke up and said damn america... never heard of that place before but shit man we gotta kill them all and kill their babies and take their freedom
[QUOTE=Isuzu;36234138]cute, whos talking about afghanistan?[/Quote] Me. So, clearly, when you attacked my original point you made an assumption about where I was talking about instead of clarifying first. [QUOTE=Isuzu;36234138]do you really think people one day woke up and said damn america... never heard of that place before but shit man we gotta kill them all and kill their babies and take their freedom[/QUOTE] That hasn't countered my point. You've just basically said "It sound unlikely, so therefore it can't have happened". Newsflash: 9/11 [b]did[/b] happen, and I have yet to see you point to any major attacks by the West against Al Qaeda prior to that. Besides, they did have a reason for their disdain with the US - the Gulf War: "In the face of a seemingly massive Iraqi military presence, Saudi Arabia's own forces were well armed but far outnumbered. Bin Laden offered the services of his mujahideen to King Fahd to protect Saudi Arabia from the Iraqi army. The Saudi monarch refused bin Laden's offer, opting instead to allow U.S. and allied forces to deploy troops into Saudi territory.[97] The deployment angered Bin Laden, as he believed the presence of foreign troops in the "land of the two mosques" (Mecca and Medina) profaned sacred soil. After speaking publicly against the Saudi government for harboring American troops, he was banished and forced to live in exile in Sudan." So the West did not attack Al Qaeda first - they fired the first shots purely because Bin Laden got butthurt during the Gulf War.
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;36233885]Your poor attempt to accuse the West of mass racism and imperialism would be more convincing if you at least pretended to know anything at all about the actual conflict rather than hop on the "West is bad/imperialist" bandwagon. You're almost as uneducated as the Afghan men who are corrupted by the perverted version of Wahhabism and sent to blow up their fellow countrymen. You're almost as uneducated as the Syrian, Iraqi, Saudi, Yemeni, and Libyan teenagers who come to lose their life in Afghanistan simply because their local Imam spouted some hypocritical, sensationalist, extremist bullshit and told them they would go to heaven. You're almost as uneducated as the Pakistani teenagers who spent their entire lives in madrasahs learning only about Islam and religious texts and have no real education other wise, who are then sent into Afghanistan to die simply because their teachers said "Allah wants you to do this". You're almost as uneducated as the women in the Arabic world, for women cannot get a proper education in almost every Arab nation. You're almost as uneducated as the young Afghan men who have no access to schools and were forced to fight for the Taliban simply because the Taliban threatened to kill their elders or offered the elders $10 for the young men's lives. You disgust me.[/QUOTE] Wow, how very touchy. Edit: Alot of threads concerning US actions in the middle-east during the past decades always boils down to "STOP PERSECUUUTING UUUSSS" and "IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT AMERICA!"
Dones get the job done but the number of civillians being killed by them is staggering, this report puts the figure around 775 which is unacceptable. [url]http://rt.com/usa/news/drones-civilian-death-obama-187/[/url] I'm all for wiping Al-Qaeda off the map but drones just aren't the right weapon if this many civs are being killed in the process.
[QUOTE=David29;36234256]Me. So, clearly, when you attacked my original point you made an assumption about where I was talking about instead of clarifying first. That hasn't countered my point. You've just basically said "It sound unlikely, so therefore it can't have happened". Newsflash: 9/11 [b]did[/b] happen, and I have yet to see you point to any major attacks by the West against Al Qaeda prior to that. Besides, they did have a reason for their disdain with the US - the Gulf War: "In the face of a seemingly massive Iraqi military presence, Saudi Arabia's own forces were well armed but far outnumbered. Bin Laden offered the services of his mujahideen to King Fahd to protect Saudi Arabia from the Iraqi army. The Saudi monarch refused bin Laden's offer, opting instead to allow U.S. and allied forces to deploy troops into Saudi territory.[97] The deployment angered Bin Laden, as he believed the presence of foreign troops in the "land of the two mosques" (Mecca and Medina) profaned sacred soil. After speaking publicly against the Saudi government for harboring American troops, he was banished and forced to live in exile in Sudan." So the West did not attack Al Qaeda first - they fired the first shots purely because Bin Laden got butthurt during the Gulf War.[/QUOTE] good god dude, al quaeda isnt even the main player. alquaeda simply retorted after what they reasoned to be an oppressive and humiliating invasion of foreign US interest to destabilize the region. First the US supplies the shah of persia with weapons to hold him has a puppet versus the soviets. Too bad he was a ruthless merciless (USA aided dont forget) dictator which prompted the iranian revolution. So the US needs someone to fight Iran for them now because all those countless weapons are now in the hands of Khomeini. Cue saddam hussein who was promised by the west to keep the oil wells in iran should he conquer them. That didnt work for the 8 years he was gassing kurds and shooting iranias (completely fine with the US btw) so he turns to kuweit for his oil. So he gets invaded and completely bashed. The US has an entire encyclopiedia of destabilizing the middle east and, as you said, were insulting muslims by stationing soldiers in holy lands. I dont agree with religion either but theres people who believe in that quack so hard that adds to another irritation for pretty much everyone in that region. and dont say thats just because theyre silly uncivillised muslims. Christianity has the bloodiest history of them all and imagine the outrage if the Taliban stationed troops in the Vatican or america. Al quaeda simply carried out a revenge attack for the decades of western-incited bloodshed. its not just about people being butthurt, its about people seeing the west toying with their governments and playing them out against each other. not to forget how friendly and humane american soldiers like to represent their country to everyone over there y'know by pissing on dead peoples bodies
[QUOTE=Isuzu;36234581]good god dude, al quaeda isnt even the main player. alquaeda simply retorted after what they reasoned to be an oppressive and humiliating invasion of foreign US interest to destabilize the region. First the US supplies the shah of persia with weapons to hold him has a puppet versus the soviets. Too bad he was a ruthless merciless (USA aided dont forget) dictator which prompted the iranian revolution. So the US needs someone to fight Iran for them now because all those countless weapons are now in the hands of Khomeini. Cue saddam hussein who was promised by the west to keep the oil wells in iran should he conquer them. That didnt work for the 8 years he was gassing kurds and shooting iranias (completely fine with the US btw) so he turns to kuweit for his oil. So he gets invaded and completely bashed. The US has an entire encyclopiedia of destabilizing the middle east and, as you said, were insulting muslims by stationing soldiers in holy lands. I dont agree with religion either but theres people who believe in that quack so hard that adds to another irritation for pretty much everyone in that region. and dont say thats just because theyre silly uncivillised muslims. Christianity has the bloodiest history of them all and imagine the outrage if the Taliban stationed troops in the Vatican or america. Al quaeda simply carried out a revenge attack for the decades of western-incited bloodshed. its not just about people being butthurt, its about people seeing the west toying with their governments and playing them out against each other. not to forget how friendly and humane american soldiers like to represent their country to everyone over there y'know by pissing on dead peoples bodies[/QUOTE] Oh God what. Where do you get this stuff from - a novel? Aside from the fact that what you are saying it full of holes (e.g. if the US was so eager for Iraq to succeed in invading Iran, then why was the US selling weapons to Iran? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair[/url]), you have just confirmed my point (which you originally argued as incorrect): it was Al Qaeda who took the first swing.
[QUOTE=David29;36235181]Oh God what. Where do you get this stuff from - a novel? Aside from the fact that what you are saying it full of holes (e.g. if the US was so eager for Iraq to succeed in invading Iran, then why was the US selling weapons to Iran? [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair[/URL]), you have just confirmed my point (which you originally argued as incorrect): it was Al Qaeda who took the first swing.[/QUOTE] just purely out of intrigue, do you believe the 'war on terror' was a success? why is this dumb? it's simply a question, a question that has not been answered previously by david29; i dont understand how it could possibly be considered 'dumb'
[QUOTE=Kopimi;36227211]a more accurate comparison would be a gunman walking into a shopping mall because he spotted somebody who kinda looked like the guy he's looking for, and immediately opened fire on the crowd in hopes of killing someone who might be a suspect. and then he went to the funeral of everyone that died that day and shot the funerals up as well in an attempt to catch friends of the suspect who might be doing illegal stuff as well.[/QUOTE] Yes, the US just fires into random crowds of people, then into the crowds of people who try burying said people. Your title is more true than you know.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36226970]Holy fuck, it feels like this is an Onion article because the irony is too fucking intense for me to handle. How is getting killed by a drone any less humane than getting killed by a human? You're still dead. Is it just because it doesn't give the target a chance to fight back? That's not inhumane, that's intelligence on the side of the attacker.[/QUOTE] I think its considered inhumane because it takes away the whole 'being there' aspect of it... like you don't get to see who you're killing in the same way that you do if you're on the ground. [editline]7th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=David29;36235181]Oh God what. Where do you get this stuff from - a novel? Aside from the fact that what you are saying it full of holes (e.g. if the US was so eager for Iraq to succeed in invading Iran, then why was the US selling weapons to Iran? [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair[/URL]), you have just confirmed my point (which you originally argued as incorrect): it was Al Qaeda who took the first swing.[/QUOTE] Seriously? The last time the US did anything good in the middle-east was the Suez Canal Crisis. THE US WAS SELLING WEAPONS TO IRAQ DURING THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR. THEY SHOT DOWN AN IRANIAN AIRLINER FILLED WITH INNOCENT CIVILIANS. THEY IGNORED ALL THE GAS ATTACKS SADDAM WAS COMMITTING AT THE TIME. THEY FUCKING CALLED HIM THEIR FRIEND. [editline]7th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=David29;36234256]Me. So, clearly, when you attacked my original point you made an assumption about where I was talking about instead of clarifying first. That hasn't countered my point. You've just basically said "It sound unlikely, so therefore it can't have happened". Newsflash: 9/11 [B]did[/B] happen, and I have yet to see you point to any major attacks by the West against Al Qaeda prior to that. Besides, they did have a reason for their disdain with the US - the Gulf War: "In the face of a seemingly massive Iraqi military presence, Saudi Arabia's own forces were well armed but far outnumbered. Bin Laden offered the services of his mujahideen to King Fahd to protect Saudi Arabia from the Iraqi army. The Saudi monarch refused bin Laden's offer, opting instead to allow U.S. and allied forces to deploy troops into Saudi territory.[97] The deployment angered Bin Laden, as he believed the presence of foreign troops in the "land of the two mosques" (Mecca and Medina) profaned sacred soil. After speaking publicly against the Saudi government for harboring American troops, he was banished and forced to live in exile in Sudan." So the West did not attack Al Qaeda first - they fired the first shots purely because Bin Laden got butthurt during the Gulf War.[/QUOTE] So just like World War 1 was all Germany's fault because they fired the first shots?
[QUOTE=Isuzu;36234073]cool wikipedia headlines that you copy pasted there, its almost like a poem. Gets really funny once you replace "afghan men" with "us soldiers" and "wahhabism" with "christianity" and "allah wants you to do this" with "we have to defend our nation against aggressors on an entirely different continent" :) world politics are so easy when you reduce it to US vs THEM but we are RIGHT!![/QUOTE] I hope you realize how retarded you sound soon, but you probably wont.
[QUOTE=Earthen;36236604] Seriously? The last time the US did anything good in the middle-east was the Suez Canal Crisis. THE US WAS SELLING WEAPONS TO IRAQ DURING THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR. THEY SHOT DOWN AN IRANIAN AIRLINER FILLED WITH INNOCENT CIVILIANS. THEY IGNORED ALL THE GAS ATTACKS SADDAM WAS COMMITTING AT THE TIME. THEY FUCKING CALLED HIM THEIR FRIEND.[/QUOTE] Yes, they purposely shot down the civilian air liner, the fiends.
[QUOTE=Earthen;36236604]So just like World War 1 was all Germany's fault because they fired the first shots?[/QUOTE] Wait, what?
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;36236925]Yes, they purposely shot down the civilian air liner, the fiends.[/QUOTE] Certainly it was not planned, but the US response was pretty fucked up. They said that the ship that fired the missile acted according to protocol. Ronald Reagan even said at the end of the whole issue that he had apologised enough. [quote]The U.S. government issued notes of regret for the loss of innocent human life. The government never admitted wrongdoing, and did not accept responsibility nor submit an apology to the Iranian government.[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655[/url] [editline]7th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=CakeMaster7;36236950]Wait, what?[/QUOTE] It was pretty much everyone's fault.
[QUOTE=Isuzu;36234031]look dudey, the world isn't as black and white as you'd like to comfortably believe. the US axed legitimate governments in the middle east to install west-friendly, anti soviet puppet despots who terrorized their populations and sent them weapons and cash, only to come back after they stopped being so western-friendly and killing everyone. For all the arabs know, americans are christian fundamentalist imperials who lash out violently against anyone who is squatting on -- OUR OIL!!! -- or provoking them in any way and provoking, to americans, mostly means existing as we can see today with Iran. so it might not look at legitimate in your 12 year old patriot peabrain but these people have a right to fight any oppressor and if the only way to fight them off is guerilla terrorism then by all means why arent they allowed to do that? You were allowed to go and shoot up everyone aswell. Kids included. And you did. you started it. so stop crying once they fight back and enjoy what the wars have brought you. your economy is dead, your politics is a barren wasteland full of fundamentalists, you're losing your civil libertires and youve managed to irritate an entire region [editline]7th June 2012[/editline] dude 'you' started it. dont cry once they fight back.[/QUOTE] Im pretty sure with your previous statement, its not me who sees the world in black and white.
much as with the recent story about China condemning the US for human rights violations, this is the pot calling the kettle black while both of them are covered in soot. WMDs and terror attacks aren't very nice, but neither is bombing people from on high then going off to lunch like it was nothing. but of course now people are arguing about... I don't freaking know, imperialism or some shit
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;36235476]Yes, the US just fires into random crowds of people, then into the crowds of people who try burying said people. Your title is more true than you know.[/QUOTE] uhm yep i'm glad you're finally catching on to how drone strikes work nice title insult man that really cuts deep i don't know whats more embarrassing, reading the pro-drone posts or seeing that literally every pro-drone post has the exact same people rating "zinger" and "winner" because they cant be bothered to assert their own (stupid) opinion themselves [editline]7th June 2012[/editline] none of you even remotely get the point, the entire thread is filled with kneejerk "UM BUT YOU CUT PEOPLES HEADS OFF" reactions like clockwork. you read the title and that's p much all you read. somehow you've come to the conclusion that because it's ironic for them to complain about inhuman killings when they themselves do it, somehow that means its NOT ironic when we're performing inhumane killings and claiming to be champions of freedom and human rights? the point hes making is that we claim to be protectors of freedom and helpers of the people, a nation that respects human rights, yet we're engaged in drone strikes that [B]have been confirmed[/B] to kill plenty of civilians in the crossfire. do you not see the irony there or is your massive USA-boner so tall it's blocking your line of sight to the article that clearly explains WHY these strikes are controversial and fucked up??
[QUOTE=Earthen;36236604]Seriously? The last time the US did anything good in the middle-east was the Suez Canal Crisis. THE US WAS SELLING WEAPONS TO IRAQ DURING THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR. THEY SHOT DOWN AN IRANIAN AIRLINER FILLED WITH INNOCENT CIVILIANS. THEY IGNORED ALL THE GAS ATTACKS SADDAM WAS COMMITTING AT THE TIME. THEY FUCKING CALLED HIM THEIR FRIEND. [editline]7th June 2012[/editline] So just like World War 1 was all Germany's fault because they fired the first shots?[/QUOTE] 1. I never attempted to defend the US's actions in the Middle East in general. I was proving a point that they had every right to declare war on Al Qaeda. Please read my posts more carefully in future before wading in to the fray. 2. I provided a link showing evidence of the USA selling weapons to Iran. Once again, read my posts more carefully. 3. Your analogy with Germany is - bluntly - shit, because Germany did not fire the first shots.
[QUOTE=Isuzu;36234073]cool wikipedia headlines that you copy pasted there, its almost like a poem. Gets really funny once you replace "afghan men" with "us soldiers" and "wahhabism" with "christianity" and "allah wants you to do this" with "we have to defend our nation against aggressors on an entirely different continent" :) world politics are so easy when you reduce it to US vs THEM but we are RIGHT!![/QUOTE] God you are such a dumbass. Especially because you're reducing this to the US vs them, and which is funny because you seem to have a strong vendetta against the US [editline]7th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=David29;36239913]-snip-[/QUOTE] Uh, I agree with most of your points but Austria-Hungary, and by extension Germany did fire the first shots.
I'd take drones over men on the ground any day. If you have men walking around there's a bigger chance of a bomb going off near them, taking out civvies. The drones will just force them into the cities, and just wait for them to step outside on a bad day.
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