• PC Gamer names their GOTY 2012 - Mass Effect 3
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[QUOTE=The freeman;39043928]Err, how exactly would Cry of Fear/DayZ/Tribes be GOTY?[/QUOTE] Can't speak for the other two but why not Tribes? It's certainly a better game than The Walking Dead and Journey.
I enjoy listening to PC gamer podcast as much as the next guy but its blatently obvious that Tom Francias is totally a dinkus, and he assumes he's always the authority of opinon on how games should be because "he's a game designer too" In reality his opinions are total shit. Blantatly wrong about ME3, blatantly wrong about hitman, etc. It's sad that the guy has the largest voice out of everyone on PC gamer because his critical view of PC games is simply awful and completely disconnected with the reality of the situation. At least someone like jim sterling who is often critical as well, has arguments against/for games that make total sense (even if him not liking a game because of said problem often isn't enough to ruina game for most, but for him it will), and he's got a great view of the state of the industry as a whole.
Even though I am a massive Mass Effect fan and sick and tired of people saying it is the worst piece of shit ever, (I'm also tired of people defending it like crazy and saying that me3 is goty material.) 2012 offered a lot of games that had way more passion and time put into them than ME3. I'd say my personal GOTY goes to Far Cry 3 or The Walking Dead.
Dishonored deserved GOTY way more than ME3 because of the ending alone.
I think the ending should be truly discriminated for what it is. Because it wasn't the original ending. The original writer who wrote the originally planned ending had quit before ME3 was finished, and it is obvious that the new writers were inexperienced. Even if somehow you liked the ending they made up, there is no denying they were lazy in that your choices in the past 2 games made almost no difference to the overall ending, something that was heavily-touted the WHOLE trilogy. Btw you can look this up, but here is the quote from Drew Karpyshyn on the originally planned ending, [quote]The Dark Energy was a force that was going to consume everything. According to Karpyshyn, "The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of its genetic diversity and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread." The original choice was between killing the Reapers and trying to find a way to stop the Dark Energy threat with what little time was left before it consumed the galaxy, or, "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means."[/quote] Which actually makes sense for alot of things that were left in the final game. Especially why the Reapers focused heavily on earth instead of attacking multiple planets. It is kinda pathetic how little the new writers fixed such issues, leaving the atmosphere of ME3 to feel out of place with the series. Don't even get me started on the fetch quests. [QUOTE=KorJax;39044228]I enjoy listening to PC gamer podcast as much as the next guy but its blatently obvious that Tom Francias is totally a dinkus, and he assumes he's always the authority of opinon on how games should be because "he's a game designer too" In reality his opinions are total shit. Blantatly wrong about ME3, blatantly wrong about hitman, etc. It's sad that the guy has the largest voice out of everyone on PC gamer because his critical view of PC games is simply awful and completely disconnected with the reality of the situation. At least someone like jim sterling who is often critical as well, has arguments against/for games that make total sense (even if him not liking a game because of said problem often isn't enough to ruina game for most, but for him it will), and he's got a great view of the state of the industry as a whole.[/QUOTE] I really want to hear this guy. He sounds like a mix of hipster/indie lover, while falling for the super mainstream blockbusters, and anything in between seems to overload his brain/computer.
Aww man, Tom Francis isn't that bad, he's written some of my favourite articles for PC gamer like the ones about Supreme Commander and the huge game the PCG staff had in it. He just has different tastes - it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that he didn't like Hitman Absolution, obviously he likes dynamic free thinking - why else would he design a game around it and enjoy a game like SC or Mass Effect. Hitman Absolution wasn't a bad game but it did limit the player far more than previous games, the plot wasn't interesting in the slightest and the levels were cut down. This is obviously going to piss him off, and its obvious that he's not going to enjoy a linear shooter (albeit a very good one from my own perspective) like MP3. That he liked Mass Effect 3 comes down to the fact that he's probably too obsessed with the franchise and is able to overlook the ending. Or maybe he's somewhat incompetent and doesn't notice the poor writing. But he doesn't deserve any hate for this, the fact that people are still on the warpath complaining about ME3 is just dumb. I personally detest Natural Selection 2 for being a game based entirely around placing a tiny crosshair on aliens moving at the speed of sound around your screen (at a terrible framerate due to poor optimization, might I add) and I would nominate Far Cry 3 any day of the week for GOTY. I've spent about 10 hours purely just exploring and raiding outposts, having only done 2 story missions. Its what I'd call the perfect template for that sort of game- you feel like a badass, you can customize your weapons, of which there are plenty, there are lots of cool mechanics and the gunplay is by far some of the best I have ever experienced. The guns have a nice kick, sound awesome and enemies drop like flies after double taps on the trigger- no bullshit like in Far Cry 2 where it took half a magazine. They geniunely learned from every mistake FC2 made, whether it be distant checkpoints, redundant gliders, or shit outpost handling and boring travel, they fixed all of those issues, even if they created a few.
From a mechanical standpoint ME3 was fairly solid. Writing was the weakest in the series though and for a character-driven RPG that's the killing blow. I don't think it deserves GOTY, outright better titles have released this year, but it's not so egregious.
There is a lot of stuff wrong with ME3 beyond the ending, stuff like exploration being taken completely out and replaced with a fancy version of duck-duck goose for a ludicrous amount of fetch quests. Or killing off fan favourite characters either off-screen or not ingame at all (Kal-Reegar dying in an email, the reporter from the first game deciding to ram a Reaper in her taxi... on twitter). But oh no, no no no no, instead of these characters, we [I]must[/I] have the horribly modelled and animated Diana Allers, and Kai Leng, a character with plot armour so thick it extends to anything near him. (The gunship with the light being invincible to my [B]anti vehicle sniper rifle[/B] despite killing at least five of them in ME2) Of course that is until you stab him to death, with a sword.
[QUOTE=Zeos;39044484]Tthe reporter from the first game deciding to ram a Reaper in her taxi... on twitter).[/QUOTE] I missed this but that actually sounds amazing.
[QUOTE=NoShogun;39043443]This basically comes down to how much the ending did or didn't tarnish the rest of the game for you. Although personally I think GOTY should go to Dishonored.[/QUOTE] The ending to that was just awful, really tarnished what I thought was a fun game, other than the length (and I did my first playthrough as a pacifist one as well and collected most of the collectables)
but everyone knows that the bad ending was just an excuse for blind mass effect 3 fans to say "that's the only reason me3 sucked" when it's not even true the game doesn't even have half the amount of gameplay content me2 has. literally. give me a fucking break how can anyone see that and say "yep this is acceptable, this is worth $60 - $80"?
[QUOTE=TheJoey;39044602]but everyone knows that the bad ending was just an excuse for blind mass effect 3 fans to say "that's the only reason me3 sucked" when it's not even true the game doesn't even have half the amount of gameplay content me2 has. literally. give me a fucking break[/QUOTE] To be fair, a lot of ME2's content was odd job filler with squad mates. I think it was a better game than ME3 on the whole, but more content != better game.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;39044175]Na, you only get told you're on Earth if you've transferred a save over where you did that DLC, otherwise Anderson just tells you that "You're a huge prick and normal people would be in jail by now." But yea it was bad. Udina is a good example of your decisions being an illusion, all of them were, either Bioware just reconned them all so they wouldn't have to put any effort in to the plot or they just gave you an insignificant number for War Assets and never seen again.[/QUOTE] except im a space pirate with the fastest ship in the galaxy and a team of certified badasses at my command how did they catch me seriously, how. i wouldn't turn myself in, how did they catch me.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;39044609]To be fair, a lot of ME2's content was odd job filler with squad mates. I think it was a better game than ME3 on the whole, but more content != better game.[/QUOTE] but me3 had no content. it had 11 side quests total next to me2's 80-something. or maybe that was me1. either way, holy shit and thats not including the "side quests" that involve clicking planets on the (reused from me2's) planet-cracking/scanning minigame screen that you never get up from after leaving the citadel. those aren't side quests. they aren't even quests. they're "click to fetch then click to citadel." i can NOT even believe that anyone thought this was acceptable, that this was a good game, [b]especially[/b] people that love rpgs and love exploration and grew up falling in love with mass effect 1. that's fucking insane.
[QUOTE=Chickens!;39043293]This is the same Tom Francis that gave Max Payne 3 a 55/100[/QUOTE] what's wrong with max payne 3 i fucking loved it
[QUOTE=Raidyr;39044609]To be fair, a lot of ME2's content was odd job filler with squad mates. I think it was a better game than ME3 on the whole, but more content != better game.[/QUOTE] The biggest issue with the content of ME3 barring the main stuff is that all the sidequests that aren't related to the main story are just boring fetch quests that only exist as mindless filler. You don't even get the justice of actually interacting with the quest givers, they just say something and you accept it without going into conversation mode, then you go off to some random planet and scan it and go back and talk to them for points. That's pretty much every sidequest in ME3 - scanning. No shooting, no talking, no choices, just scanning. Because that was so fun in ME2. Sometimes it's even more simple - just go to the spectre and approve something. You don't even go fly about in a spaceship for those. After awhile it just becomes more of a chore to farm up points for the galaxy preparation thing and war assets. There's no sense of accomplishment because there's no skill or strategy behind it, and it's horrible design.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;39044638]but me3 had no content. it had 11 side quests total next to me2's 80-something. or maybe that was me1. either way, holy shit and thats not including the "side quests" that involve clicking planets on the (reused from me2's) planet-cracking/scanning minigame screen that you never get up from after leaving the citadel. those aren't side quests. they aren't even quests. they're "click to fetch then click to citadel." i can NOT even believe that anyone thought this was acceptable, that this was a good game, [b]especially[/b] people that love rpgs and love exploration and grew up falling in love with mass effect 1. that's fucking insane.[/QUOTE] 80 was probably ME 1, god ME 1 was so much better than the others, even if the combat wasn't as good and it had those horrible MAKO sections.
why not Farcry 3 or Borderlands 2? fuck capitalsit EA for bribing
The Mako is amazing what are you talking about. [editline]31st December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=EddieLTU;39044736]why not Farcry 3 or Borderlands 2? fuck capitalsit EA for bribing[/QUOTE] It could just be that they really liked ME3 for whatever reason. I mean I agree FC3 and BL2 were much better games but I don't think there is a conspiracy at play here.
As mediocre as the the MAKO sections were, they were leaps and bounds better exploration than the, well, 0 exploration in ME2 and ME3.
[QUOTE=Ridge;39043517]Honestly, ME3 was a fantastic game, right up until the last 10 minutes. I literally cried at one point.[/QUOTE] I cried too but that was probably for a different reason
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39044672]80 was probably ME 1, god ME 1 was so much better than the others, even if the combat wasn't as good and it had those horrible MAKO sections.[/QUOTE] looking at a list, there are too many that i want to count in me1 and about 50 in me2, not including optional crewmate missions. in me3 they are either all on the citadel or just involve clicking near planets on a minigame screen. i believe i counted 11 last i played that involved actually stepping onto a space station or planet that were optional sidequests. in the case of me3, yes, content = good game, because these games are RPGs, and they are exploration games. an RPG is pretty much dependent on content and writing, no matter what kind of combat mechanic there is. when everything is bad or there is a lack of content, the game suffers. and the writing at least makes it memorable even if the content was bad.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;39044742]The Mako is amazing what are you talking about. [/QUOTE] I hated bouncing around those huge empty areas, it was boring.
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;39044643]what's wrong with max payne 3 i fucking loved it[/QUOTE] Nothing is wrong with mp3 Tom Francias is just a hipster pc gamer where earlier games in the series are always better (and as such, the newer games must always be shit) except when it comes to his favorite series
well at least he didn't name fez as game of the year.
I honestly thought Mass Effect 3 had too much hype for it's own good. Best example of this has to be the omniblade - it's just a melee attack that half the classes don't even have, and yet it's got a huge focus in advertising like it's some massive new game mechanic that changes everything.
[QUOTE=Tudd;39043504]Fuck Tom Francis. He is easily their worst editor/reviewer. He ironically has a old as shit computer for being on PC gamer (AMD with a 4850 I think.) They usually task him with the indie games for that reason it seems. Though whenever it comes to big releases, you bet he will go full retard.[b] Max Payne 3 a 55/100 and Hitman Absolution 66/100[/b], even though he HIMSELF points out he can't run them well. Then he gives Mass Effect 3 a 94/100, so yah, he has no credibility in my book.[/QUOTE] Wow get a load of that fuckin guy.
[QUOTE=Hiccuper;39043860]To be honest I could barely tolerate Kia McNunchuk, but Joker and EDI's romance pissed me off a hell of a lot more.[/QUOTE] That, and EDI has metal boobsocks that just scream "FANSERVICE FANSERVICE" [editline]31st December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;39044672]80 was probably ME 1, god ME 1 was so much better than the others, even if the combat wasn't as good and it had those horrible MAKO sections.[/QUOTE] ME1 was the best at making you feel extremely small and that there was a huge universe. The soundtrack was also the best. I'd say that ME2 is the best when it comes to gameplay/story. ME3 is decent but ultimately below those two.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;39045024]That, and EDI has metal boobsocks that just scream "FANSERVICE FANSERVICE"[/QUOTE] Absolutely fucking everything about EDI getting a body pissed me off.
[QUOTE=Paramud;39045123]Absolutely fucking everything about EDI getting a body pissed me off.[/QUOTE] Do I need to again mention two of her dlc outfits gives her a robot cameltoe and metal nipples repsectively?
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