[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;26235085]It's a terrible illness, and it most certainly does affect "free will" because free will encapsulates many of the things in the first paragraph of that quote. (As far as I know, "free will" is not an accepted medical term)
So your belief differs from scientific fact.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, I guess it is taken away if it affects you that badly.
If I ever need to get hooked on to life support, I'll just admit that it's time to throw in the towel.
I don't want to be pathetically sleeping in the bed with thousands of IV needles shoved into my body. At that point, I am pretty sure most people would welcome death.
[QUOTE=Leonmyster;26235500]If I ever need to get hooked on to life support, I'll just admit that it's time to throw in the towel.
I don't want to be pathetically sleeping in the bed with thousands of IV needles shoved into my body. At that point, I am pretty sure most people would welcome death.[/QUOTE]
I've already made it very clear to my next of kin that if I'm on life support and the odds say that I will not improve further, yank the cord.
Sadly, the law is the law. He will still be prosecuted...hopefully he goes free.
Thier lives 'together' were gone long before he pulled the trigger.
Imagine the gut wrench of having to do someone, wife or otherwise, that you have known for 70 years.
Sad situation without a doubt.
[QUOTE=Coffee;26234165]This is why Euthanasia should be legal, get the job done in a nice clean way.[/QUOTE]
Except euthanasia has massive potential for abuse.
Look no farther than the Netherlands.
[QUOTE=SHOH;26234240]There is a point when the quality of life of the person is so low, they are better off being dead (e.g. no pain ect.). It is no different to pulling the plug on a coma patient.[/QUOTE]
Congratulations. You just opened the door to untold amounts of abuse.
Maybe you'd like a medal?
They had been together since before 1940 - seventy years. That's an incredibly long time to be together and the vast majority of their lifetime. It was quite possible that at some point during that time they said to each other "if I'm ever old as fuck and losing my mind, I want you to be the one that ends it for me." Even if not, they knew each other better than anyone. I think it's fair to assume he knew what was best for her, especially considering the type of man everybody says he is otherwise. He just wanted to end his wife's pain. I don't have a problem with his actions.
That said, it [B]is[/B] murder. From a moral standpoint, perfectly justifiable. From a legal standpoint, not so much. I'd still say let him go. He's 88, what's locking him up going to do anyway?
Fuck I hate this thread. I can't stop thinking about being locked inside my head on life support, just waiting to die.. :frown:
people ITT need to look at law instead of just their moral opinions of what they would do. I personally believe this could be seen as the right thing to do also, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be found guilty. If he isn't found guilty this would most certainly be a precedent case and who knows what retarded appeals will be made because people believe they could use that as a defence, then you're going to have a bunch more money wasted in court as people waste more time believing that
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but, as KaIibos said, locking him up won't do any good. the courts will hopefully realize that
Nobody's saying he's not guilty. We're looking at whether it was the right thing to do or not morally.
What a terrible person.
My uncle had Alzheimer, and my wonderful aunt with him the entire time, supporting him herself.
Same thing with my grandpa. For about ~10 years he had Parkinson's disease pretty badly. Wasn't a reason to kill him.
[QUOTE=Pandamox;26236437]people ITT need to look at law instead of just their moral opinions of what they would do. I personally believe this could be seen as the right thing to do also, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be found guilty. If he isn't found guilty this would most certainly be a precedent case and who knows what retarded appeals will be made because people believe they could use that as a defence, then you're going to have a bunch more money wasted in court as people waste more time believing that
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but, as KaIibos said, locking him up won't do any good. the courts will hopefully realize that[/QUOTE]
Morally right, legally wrong. Sucks, but true.
I wouldn't be able to do that myself, but the man has courage. I think he's very strong to able to put her peaceful death over his love for her.
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Another thing: depending on the ruling of this man's hearings, could this help the case of euthanasia?
[QUOTE=watehfreak;26235705]Sadly, the law is the law. He will still be prosecuted...hopefully he goes free.[/QUOTE]
Actually, this is why we have judges. To interpret laws or set new precedents.
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;26234087]I don't think I would be able to bear seeing someone I love unable to remember to remember their own friends/family members. I don't condone his actions, but I understand why he did it.[/QUOTE]
Before my great grandma died, the last time I visited her, she had severe memory loss symptoms, and she asked my mom and sister who they were as we walked in, it's really terrible and heartbreaking to see a grandmother not even recognize the face of her own grandchild, the odd thing is, that she remembered me. You can tell that people with memory loss are in some pretty great stress, imagine being in the situation of not remembering who your friends and or family are and all the great moments you had with them throughout your life. Imagine waking up to see a complete stranger's photo on your bedside, then see those strangers walk in your room and say that they're your grand children. It would be insanely confusing and frightening to forget your childhood, family, friends, and great moments of your life.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;26235776]Except euthanasia has massive potential for abuse.
Look no farther than the Netherlands.[/QUOTE]
Don't you have to go through all sorts of legal bullshit to actually commit euthanasia in the netherlands?
[QUOTE=Pandamox;26236437]
but, as KaIibos said[/QUOTE]
call me kalibos lol, back in 05 when I made this account it was because all bans were permabans (and I was banned because I missed an apostrophe in it's or something) and I wanted the same name so I was hoping that uppercase I and lowercase L would look the same in the forum's font as is the case sometimes
obviously they didn't
The "Religious" court will sentence him a living hell. What a shame :argh:
[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;26237985]The "Religious" court will sentence him a living hell. What a shame :argh:[/QUOTE]
What religious court? What are you talking about?
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;26234936]Dementia, by definition, is a degradation of the ability to think rationally. I can see why you'd consider it a grey area since she seemingly didn't have a will, but it's a rather safe assumption that someone would want to die as soon as the main thing that people use to define humanity falls out of their grasp.[/QUOTE]
That's a big, big, big, unsafe claim to make. What are the legal precedents for this?
I don't think it could be too bad if even the daughter agreees with what happened
Damn. Misread the poll, meant to answer "No".
I feel this was the right thing for him to do, but he certainly could have gone about it in a different way...
that mans a murderer watch out arrest him
daughter's next
Jury will never see him to jail.
That's if they get compelling witnesses that attest to the man's devotion and the woman's declining condition.
Mercy killing is a very touchy topic because it entirely depends on the interpretation of mercy. In this example killing her was rather questionable since he refused outside help for her, which raises the question whether he killed her because he was at the end of his tether or because she was that hopelessly gone. I wouldn't outright say he was wrong nor outright accept it as right.
It's sad that Kevorkian still hasn't gotten his way of reasonable deaths. I want the plug to be pulled on me in a medically abhorrent situation. Don't let me live through agony that won't go away, or come back into a fractured or vegetative state. You better do the right thing and fucking kill me. It's more then degrading to be in that situation for me.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;26240932]Mercy killing is a very touchy topic because it entirely depends on the interpretation of mercy. In this example killing her was rather questionable since he refused outside help for her, which raises the question whether he killed her because he was at the end of his tether or because she was that hopelessly gone. I wouldn't outright say he was wrong nor outright accept it as right.[/QUOTE]
He refused help because he wanted to do it himself, and he did
[QUOTE=rawr >:3;26234163]Now nobody will want to do a shitty pun post. Thank god.[/QUOTE]
don't try to justify your own unfunny pun that you most likely spent a while thinking of
The several times this has happened in the UK (not with firearms mind), the jury has always refused to convict.
Morally justifiable? Entirely different question.
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