"What Are You Even Doing Nintendo?" : More Photos of Nintendo NX Controller Prototype Leaked
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Apparently a Nintendo of Europe employee said that the controller was fake
[media]https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/712722927897165824?[/media]
[media]https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/712723518790705156?[/media]
[editline]23rd March 2016[/editline]
Liam Robertson is part of DYK Gaming, I think
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49994183]I'm sorry, what are you on about? 3D TVs are fucking dead most companies have discontinued or reduced their 3D TV production, practically no games have second screen applications and the ones that do use you phone or tablet for some worthless gimmick that can be fully ignored, and motion controls are completely dead outside of VR with the PS motion controllers and the Kinect being relegated to peripherals that have absolutely tiny catalogues.
Nintendo have been trying gimmicks to keep themselves afloat. They got lucky with the Wii (as it was advertised to hell on mainstream TV as some new toy), and it bit them in the ass really fucking hard with the WiiU and to a lesser extent the Gamecube.[/QUOTE]
Kinects are actually very widely used for a vast array of applications in many fields, although you're right about the rest.
[editline]23rd March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dantz Bolrew;49994200]Apparently a Nintendo of Europe employee said that the controller was fake
[media]https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/712722927897165824?[/media]
[media]https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/712723518790705156?[/media]
[editline]23rd March 2016[/editline]
Liam Robertson is part of DYK Gaming, I think[/QUOTE]
These tweets hold as much water as "My Dad works for Nintendo and says that the new Pokemon will have guns in it".
[QUOTE=Duck M.;49994207]Kinects are actually very widely used for a vast array of applications in many fields[/QUOTE]
Like what?
[QUOTE=Duck M.;49994207]Kinects are actually very widely used for a vast array of applications in many fields, although you're right about the rest.
[editline]23rd March 2016[/editline]
These tweets hold as much water as "My Dad works for Nintendo and says that the new Pokemon will have guns in it".[/QUOTE]
From what I understand, this guy has a lot of contacts on the inside. I think he was the one that helped uncover that unreleased Superman game and other stuff. It's all on his twitter.
[editline]23rd March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;49994219]Like what?[/QUOTE]
Animation making, I think.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;49994219]Like what?[/QUOTE]
Mostly anything that has to do with retrieving data from gestures. You can pretty easily find lots of examples of this if you look.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;49994093]Strawmanning and appeal to majority, huh? Is that how you wanna play? I gave my reasoning and did so pretty damn well I would say, so either make an actual rebuttal or muzzle it, champ.[/QUOTE]
no need; your entire premise is utterly ridiculous. you have reasons for not liking one arbitrary technology while ignoring that an entire industry has ignored another, for their own reasons. then you...
...claim that anyone who disagrees is just a sheep brainwashed dumb (These were things I had wanted anyway, whether or not they were Nintendo. And now no one else is ever going to try them again. Because gamers know what gamers want and gamers what what they always want: more of what they already have,)
...preaching about how important it is that nintendo does something different while lambasting any other company that tries to be different (Xbone had an improved Kinect. Oh, no one wanted that and Microsoft pulled it while slinking off with their tail between their legs. Whatever potential Ouya had was crushed by it being an utter disaster behind the scenes. Vita was smothered by Sony's own stupidity with price and proprietary tech and all of its games are being ported onto PS4.) yeah news flash nobody wanted the wii u and it seems like nobody wants this controller but i guess gamers are gamers right haha but oh wait nobody wanted the kinect or the vita because it was too different so fuck microsoft and sony right
...throw around conspiracy theory nonsense (I do actually dislike VR but that's because any step towards The Matrix terrifies me)
...are angry with simple differences of opinions based purely on what system people like and what experiences the market favors (PS4 doesn't do what [B][I]I[/I][/B] want consumers to appreciate about the Wii U. And that's what pisses [B][I]me[/I][/B] off, because people are only noticing the PS4.) emphasis mine
... and altogether act like a fool with embarrassing roleplay cues (*twitch* Ten years now. Ten years now I've had to repeat myself. THERE'D. BE. NO. POINT.)
its all just ridiculously hypocritical and childish. not really worth an actual rebuttal or counter argument.
[editline]23rd March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dantz Bolrew;49994200]Apparently a Nintendo of Europe employee said that the controller was fake
[media]https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/712722927897165824?[/media]
[media]https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/712723518790705156?[/media]
[editline]23rd March 2016[/editline]
Liam Robertson is part of DYK Gaming, I think[/QUOTE]
im doubling down on thinking this leak is fake because im totally and thoroughly convinced that nintendo would never release a product with a capacitive touchscreen
"The Wii U failed because-"
Whoa there, what gave you this idea?
The thing with gimmicky controllers is that you need games that actually utilize it correctly. The only game on my WiiU that does this well in my opinion is Mario Maker.
[QUOTE=Qaus;49994291]"The Wii U failed because-"
Whoa there, what gave you this idea?[/QUOTE]
The fact that it had the worst sales month of all time? The fact that it was outsold by both its competitors in their first month of release? The fact that after only 3 years there are rumours of console production coming to a halt? The fact that Nintendo have been talking about their next system for over a year, and the Wii U has only been out for 3 years?
If you think the Wii U isn't a failure you're fucking delusional. It has good games but it's failing about as hard as the Dreamcast, the only difference is Nintendo didn't cut the cord immediately.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49994385]The fact that it had the worst sales month of all time?[/quote]
I believe every console experiences this.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49994385]The fact that it was outsold by both its competitors in their first month of release?[/quote]
So just like the GameCube? I don't remember that doing terribly.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49994385]The fact that after only 3 years there are rumours of console production coming to a halt?[/quote]
My Dad works for Nintendo, he says that VirtualBoys are going back into production. (rumors aren't a solid argument for literally anything)
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49994385]The fact that Nintendo have been talking about their next system for over a year, and the Wii U has only been out for 3 years?[/quote]
Nintendo also confirmed that Project Cafe was Wii's successor a year before official unveiling. And Nintendo's console generation pacing isn't consistent contrary to popular belief.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49994385]If you think the Wii U isn't a failure you're fucking delusional. It has good games but it's failing about as hard as the Dreamcast, the only difference is Nintendo didn't cut the cord immediately.[/QUOTE]
The Dreamcast was the iceberg to Sega's Titanic. Comparing Wii U to Dreamcast is like comparing a speed bump to a brick wall. Nintendo could do literally nothing for 20 years before being forced to shut down.
Wii U isn't (present tense!!) a failure. It hit exactly what it was aiming for which is what Nintendo has always provided: "The other console."
It's a financial success, it's a critical success, and comparing it to Xbox or Playstation in terms of sales or 3rd party support will give you exactly what you expect: That they're not the same. (gasp)
[QUOTE=Qaus;49994516]I believe every console experiences this.
[/QUOTE]
??? What
How can every console experience the worst sales month of all time for a console??
[QUOTE=Duck M.;49994530]??? What
How can every console experience the worst sales month of all time for a console??[/QUOTE]
Because no two months are the same in sales?
If [console] sold 50,000 units in January and 60,000 units in February, and it's only been out 2 months, then January would be the worst sales month of all time for [console].
[QUOTE=Qaus;49994577]Because no two months are the same in sales?
If [console] sold 50,000 units in January and 60,000 units in February, and it's only been out 2 months, then January would be the worst sales month of all time for [console].[/QUOTE]
Yeah but he was saying that the Wii U had the worst sales month of all time for any console, ever.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;49994582]Yeah but he was saying that the Wii U had the worst sales month of all time for any console, ever.[/QUOTE]
I find it hard to believe that Wii U sold less in one month than any other console in history. Is there a link to back this up?
I think the controller is mysteriously identical to the actual patent.
I mean, anyone could've just built that from looking at the patent.
If Nintendo was to use the tech presented in the patent, it would most likely be in conjunction with some other tech, and not just that one specific thing alone in that exact shape.
[QUOTE=paul simon;49994674]I think the controller is mysteriously identical to the actual patent.
I mean, anyone could've just built that from looking at the patent.
If Nintendo was to use the tech presented in the patent, it would most likely be in conjunction with some other tech, and not just that one specific thing alone in that exact shape.[/QUOTE]
Patent diagrams are like 1% accurate to the actual products they were registered for.
[QUOTE=Qaus;49994592]I find it hard to believe that Wii U sold less in one month than any other console in history. Is there a link to back this up?[/QUOTE]
I can't find it, since all the searches I do just come up with "Wii U finally outsells Dreamcast" from last October. Still though, the fact that in 3 years it had only just outsold a console that was discontinued in 18 months, and that after 3 and a half years it has sold 13 million units compared to the Xbone's 20.5 million and the PS4's 39 million in 3 years. (According to [url=http://www.vgchartz.com/]VGCharts[/url])
The fact that the console that has been out the longest has the least sales by a wide margin isn't a failure in your book?
[QUOTE=Qaus;49994691]Patent diagrams are like 1% accurate to the actual products they were registered for.[/QUOTE]
This is why I think this leak is bs, it's such an obvious choice for anyone who would want to try to make a lazy "convincing" fake. Using the cropped UE4 demo on the screen, adding gratuitous fake glare, copying the patent by the inch, etc.
(Im gonna be one of those guys in the compilation posts of people crying fake when it's revealed to be real :suicide: )
eh
it doesn't look like a nintendo product
nintys shit all has a certain vibe and this doesn't have it at all
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49994706]The fact that the console that has been out the longest has the least sales by a wide margin isn't a failure in your book?[/QUOTE]
No because Nintendo made a profit, the console has the most exclusives out of the 3, and has been a critical success.
Again, comparing Nintendo consoles to the mainstream 'competitors' always yields unsurprising results.
[QUOTE=Qaus;49994516]
The Dreamcast was the iceberg to Sega's Titanic. Comparing Wii U to Dreamcast is like comparing a speed bump to a brick wall. Nintendo could do literally nothing for 20 years before being forced to shut down.
Wii U isn't (present tense!!) a failure. It hit exactly what it was aiming for which is what Nintendo has always provided: "The other console."
It's a financial success, it's a critical success, and comparing it to Xbox or Playstation in terms of sales or 3rd party support will give you exactly what you expect: That they're not the same. (gasp)[/QUOTE]
I never said anything about Nintendo being a failure, I said the Wii U is. Nintendo have existed for 100 years, they'll survive even if they have to leave the videogame industry, as unlikely as that is.
The Wii U is a failure. Nintendo themselves have had to drop their sales predictions on the console more than once. Being "The other console" means jack shit is you make no money and no one buys the fucking thing, especially when the previous console sold better than anything ever.
The Wii U is a financial success because Nintendo only barely sold it at a loss, unlike the Wii which was sold at a profit (a rarity in this industry). It is a critical success among Nintendo fans, but in terms of raw sales and market presence it is not doing well at all. And yes I can fucking compare it to it's fucking competitors. What retarded bullshit are you pulling? Only Nintendo fans and Linux obsessives cry this stupid bullshit "You can't judge a thing as a failure just because it's competitors are blowing it of the water with ease! You can't because I said so!"
I'm actually surprised the wii u is almost 4 years old, but still I find it weird to call it terrible, from my peasant pc only gamer stand-point I'd say the wii u is better than ps4 and xbox one but that's my opinion. the only consoles I have ever played/touched were the bootleg nes,ps2,ps3 yeah it took me a while to understand dualshock man, keyboard and mouse is a god send to me.
I just want to clarify that I think the Wii U is the one Nintendo console that actually interests me. I just don't think making excuses for the Wii U's shit performance by saying "It's competitors don't count" or "But they still made money on it" are childish defences of a failing platform.
The Wii U has practically no third party support, it has awful sales, it's already publicly known that the replacement is coming, even Nintendo aren't pretending it's a success. Splatoon is great and Mario Maker is the best Mario thing in years, the third party games it does have like Platinum's lineup or Hyrule Warriors are great too, but that doesn't make it no a failure. And failure is determined by the success of your competition.
Leaning towards this whole leak being fake. If not, then this is obviously an extremely early prototype and does not reflect the final product in any way.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49994747]Only Nintendo fans and Linux obsessives cry this stupid bullshit "You can't judge a thing as a failure just because it's competitors are blowing it of the water with ease! You can't because I said so!"[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying you can't compare, I'm saying that it proves nothing. Xbox doesn't set out to blow Nintendo out of the water, neither does Playstation.
And contrariwise, Nintendo doesn't set out to blow Xbox or Playstation out of the water! The only companies that directly compete are Microsoft and Sony and that's because they're both playing musical chairs in the do-it-all media center multiplat console category.
Nintendo, on the other hand, goes in an entirely different direction. They perpetually experiment and always question fundamental concepts about interacting with games; "Why do we only use our thumbs?" "Why can't I hold a controller more than 1 way?" "Why can't I play with just 1 hand?" "Why am I limited to just pressing buttons?" "Why does the game have to be on the TV?". It's not what everyone wants, and it's obviously not what most people want, so it's definitely not going to get the most sales. But for the people it does click with, it clicks fucking hard. That is why Wii U is successful. It aimed, it shot, and it hit its mark.
[QUOTE=gdfsgdfg;49994805]I'm actually surprised the wii u is almost 4 years old, but still I find it weird to call it terrible, from my peasant pc only gamer stand-point I'd say the wii u is better than ps4 and xbox one but that's my opinion. the only consoles I have ever played/touched were the bootleg nes,ps2,ps3 yeah it took me a while to understand dualshock man, keyboard and mouse is a god send to me.[/QUOTE]
The Wii U was a great console but fuck if it wasnt a huge failure commercially
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49994838]And failure is determined by the success of your competition.[/QUOTE]
Oh my fucking GOD
[editline]23rd March 2016[/editline]
I'm sorry but that's the stupidest thing I've read in ages.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;49994219]Like what?[/QUOTE]
We used the new ones in the game studio I was working for to record motion capture
I was actually the one that had to set up the system, it was pretty cool
[editline]24th March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49994706]
The fact that the console that has been out the longest has the least sales by a wide margin isn't a failure in your book?[/QUOTE]
A product is not a failure unless it failed to generate enough revenue to cover its manufacture cost.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;49993003]*twitch* Ten years now. [i]Ten years now I've had to repeat myself.[/i]
[b]THERE'D. BE. NO. POINT.[/b]
You wanna know why the PS2 was the "main" console for Gen6? Why of the PS3 and 360, the PS3 was usually an afterthought? Why now the PS4 is mopping the floor with the Xbone? I'll tell you.
Because in each of those cases, the consoles were [i]identical.[/i] Redundant. Literally only one of them [b]needed to exist.[/b] It's why there is actually an unspoken agreement that everyone - developers, publishers, gamers, media outlets - just picks the one among them that gets popular first for the sake of a standard: "that has the network my friends are on", "that's where the sales are", "that's what our readers own". Sure, the other console can still live a healthy life, but there is very clearly a "main" console among each set. And yet people are always telling Nintendo to step in line or go third-party, neither of the other two brands. Do you people [i]want[/i] three identical consoles? Where there actually [i]is[/i] no reason for a game to be exclusive for one or the other, when a company has no reason to even continue creating its own hardware other than to maintain its own market share and survive? An element of a system that becomes dedicated entirely to its own survival is a useless element, and it becomes [i]not[/i] a healthy competitive market but just a fractured standard.
It was justifiable back in the old days, when even the internals weren't standardized yet and the architectures were massively different between the SNES and Genesis, or even between a powerful N64 with cartridges or a weaker PS1 with discs. Nowadays? The PS4 and Xbone are x86 machines with practically off-the-shelf graphics cards, using clones of the very same controller layout we've had since the original DualShock. They are literally [i]weaker desktop computers.[/i] And you people want [i]another one?[/i] Why? Is this seriously all about just playing the next Mario or Zelda with a DualShock clone for the rest of your life? Because if that's all that matters... hell, Nintendo ain't the only one that should just up and make games for PC in that case.
But I don't want them to, because they are the only ones trying anything [i]different[/i] hardware-wise. Not just new, but different as well. Yes, PlayStation is bringing VR. News flash: so is every other goddamn tech company. Xbone had an improved Kinect. Oh, no one wanted that and Microsoft pulled it while slinking off with their tail between their legs. Whatever potential Ouya had was crushed by it being an utter disaster behind the scenes. Vita was smothered by Sony's own stupidity with price and proprietary tech and all of its games are being ported onto PS4.
But who's actually tried [i]actual[/i] motion tech since the Wiimote? Sony had the PS Move they didn't really care about, Sixense's efforts on the PC petered out after years of leading us by the nose, Wii U [i]started[/i] by continuing Wiimote support in most games before even that faded because Nintendo were idiots and didn't include one with the system and therefore couldn't rely on everyone having one. And optical sensors? They never even took off. Then we have smart devices, with beautiful multi-touch screens but their ecosystems are just a complete cesspool. It's been nothing but a desperate attempt to get back to the status quo that we had back in 2005. I don't want that. I don't see how anyone could. I want systems that have a [i]very good reason[/i] for their games to be exclusive: namely that those games can rely on that unique tech as a [i]standard[/i] rather than a mere peripheral like as has been the case for every single thing released midway through any console's life or [i]any[/i] PC peripheral. So that those games can then push gaming's boundaries in ways other than friggin' horsepower or having a damn screen strapped to your face.
The Wii and DS weren't successes [i]despite[/i] their gimmicks. They were successes [i]because[/i] of their gimmicks. Even 3DS when Nintendo finally got their asses in gear managed to capture some of that mainstream success because - hey - stereoscopy with no stupid glasses (at least until they caved and made the 2DS, ruining the whole "standard feature" thing.) Wii U failed because they didn't even try with the mainstream until it was way too late and the gamers weren't going to touch it because it wasn't a third PS4. And now you want the NX to attempt that instead? Are you [i]nuts?[/i]
... Losing the fight for the Wii U hurt. I wanted another console with aux-screen controllers since the Dreamcast. And like MotionPlus or keeping 3D as a standard, that potential went down the drain. These were things I had wanted anyway, whether or not they were Nintendo. And now [b]no one else is ever going to try them again.[/b] Because gamers know what gamers want and gamers what what they always want: more of what they already have.[/QUOTE]
Maybe because...more of what we already have is good? Innovation comes naturally. Nintendo trys to shove it down our throats. How many people actually prefer the Wii's controller for serious gaming? It's fun for party games with your friends and that's about it.
Nintendo fucked themselves early on anyways when it comes to 3rd party. They pushed devs away the SNES and N64 eras with expensive development costs, royalties and the Quality Assurance rigmarole. Now here we are 20 years later and they're still suffering from it.
And they don't seem to care. Rather than try to recover and make a normal console, they pushed out the Wii. Huge success financially, but other than playing party games with a room full of people, there wasn't much to it. Gamers weren't too pleased about the weird controller, dated hardware and appalling online support. The best analogy I can think of is that closet with a few board games everyone seems to have in their home. They're fun if you're drunk enough and or with the right people, but spends the majority of its life forgotten and collecting dust.
The Wii-U should have been a normal console. That's all gamers wanted at that point. A "next gen" console so they could play the Nintendo IP's with decent graphics and a normal controller. Maybe that could have attracted better 3rd party. But again they "innovate" by mucking about with the controller while ignoring basic features like decent fucking online support. Something to add to that, people often complain about the Wii-U's name being too similar to Wii therefore confusing people and hampering sales. The only people it confused were the moms and pops who bought the Wii for their kids and had no reason to get another console.
At this point it really seems they just want to cash in on the next gimmick while the success of the 3DS keeps the financially stable.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49994261]no need; your entire premise is utterly ridiculous. you have reasons for not liking one arbitrary technology while ignoring that an entire industry has ignored another, for their own reasons. then you...
...claim that anyone who disagrees is just a sheep brainwashed dumb (These were things I had wanted anyway, whether or not they were Nintendo. And now no one else is ever going to try them again. Because gamers know what gamers want and gamers what what they always want: more of what they already have,)
...preaching about how important it is that nintendo does something different while lambasting any other company that tries to be different (Xbone had an improved Kinect. Oh, no one wanted that and Microsoft pulled it while slinking off with their tail between their legs. Whatever potential Ouya had was crushed by it being an utter disaster behind the scenes. Vita was smothered by Sony's own stupidity with price and proprietary tech and all of its games are being ported onto PS4.) yeah news flash nobody wanted the wii u and it seems like nobody wants this controller but i guess gamers are gamers right haha but oh wait nobody wanted the kinect or the vita because it was too different so fuck microsoft and sony right
...throw around conspiracy theory nonsense (I do actually dislike VR but that's because any step towards The Matrix terrifies me)
...are angry with simple differences of opinions based purely on what system people like and what experiences the market favors (PS4 doesn't do what [B][I]I[/I][/B] want consumers to appreciate about the Wii U. And that's what pisses [B][I]me[/I][/B] off, because people are only noticing the PS4.) emphasis mine
... and altogether act like a fool with embarrassing roleplay cues (*twitch* Ten years now. Ten years now I've had to repeat myself. THERE'D. BE. NO. POINT.)
its all just ridiculously hypocritical and childish. not really worth an actual rebuttal or counter argument.[/QUOTE]
I said nothing that would even imply I was lambasting other companies for doing something different. What I said was that Sony didn't care about Move, killed off the Vita with stupid decisions, and that Microsoft shelved Kinect because [b]gamers[/b] didn't want it. And yes, Ouya was a disaster behind the scenes. Read all that again if you don't believe that's what I said. Truthfully, I liked Kinect. I was sad to see it go. Vita's a beautiful piece of equipment marred by stupid design decisions; its position is actually pretty similar to the Wii U right now. Move... I'd have to say Sony [i]never[/i] cared about Move and it pretty much became "oh, we have a Wiimote, too, but we won't actually use it", as evidenced by how useless even that lightbar has become on the DualShock4. I am not [i]against[/i] any other company. And I don't put Nintendo on a pedestal either, what I stated is that they are the only ones who [i]care[/i] about doing anything other than remaking the PS1 over and over again with more power each time, the only deviation I've seen from anyone since the DualShock is - yes - VR. And as for "news flash, no one wanted Wii U." Yeah, well news flash, no one wanted GameCube or Wii back in the day either; Nintendo managed to find another audience for the latter at least. But that's the thing: [b]gamers[/b] don't want the Wii U, they don't want motion, they don't want touch, they don't want stereoscopy if it's not in a VR headset, they don't want Kinect, they don't want a rear touchpad, they didn't want the Razer Hydra or Novint Falcon, they don't want the Leap Motion or capacitive smart device screen - you think this is just Nintendo? And why don't they, anyway? Have half of the [b]gamers[/b] bashing those tried [i]any[/i] of them? What [i]do[/i] they want besides VR, or is that the only thing as evidenced by "it's really popular at the moment"? Popular? Have half of the [b]gamers[/b] championing it even tried [i]it[/i] either, do you think? Even a [i]quarter,[/i] or a [i]percent?[/i]
You see a theme? I keep bringing up [b]gamers.[/b] Because real talk? Gamers [i]are[/i] gamers. To quote Tommy Lee Jones: "A [b]person[/b] is smart. [b]People[/b] are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it." Many gamers are dumb, just like many people are dumb. Our demographic isn't above anyone. It [i]acts[/i] like it, sure. Like there's some "sacred gamer truth" the rest of the world just doesn't get, but gamers are just as - if not moreso - susceptible to going along with what our cultural icons say because of the belief that those icons are "one of us and know what's up" and thinking we're immune to being herded around. Y'know how many gamers who never even played Smash Bros. turned against Brawl when that Melee documentary came out with all the Melee pros bashing the frig out of Brawl? We're not immune to this at all. Y'know how long gaming media personalities were colluding in secret on the GameJournoPros mailing list to sway public opinion according to crafted PR narratives before it was found out by GamerGate back when GamerGate wasn't a useless circlejerk? Y'know how many people have gone onto this fervent "VR Defense Force" despite never even trying the damn thing, despite having gone against any other gimmick by practically [i]any[/i] company in recent memory after also never trying the damn things? Why [i]didn't[/i] gamers care about Kinect even before the Xbone, or Move back when Sony was even making a marginal effort? Why didn't third-parties touch [i]any[/i] of these things at all? How much does the entire community panic and run away with speculation when any rumor comes up? How quickly do gamers get up in arms over things as insignificant as [i]balance changes[/i] in one game? Or are those the only things deemed [i]acceptable[/i] to be passionate about?
As for the Matrix thing? Tell you the truth, that was an aside that I threw in as - I dunno, a personal note - that I now even regret bringing up because that very same "VR Defense Force" (and yes, I'm making a personal accusation here) took that as ad hominem bait and ran with it. "Oh, Vin's a Luddite who can't [b]EVOLVE[/b] with the rest of us enlightened." Again: completely different subject matter on why I don't like it. I already said it didn't color my opinion and didn't want to delve off-topic, but it seems to be the [i]one[/i] thing that even caused you to jump in in the first place. And as for "being foolish": I'm angry. For a decade I've had to put up with this "no gimmicks" stupidity, trying to bite my tongue and see every argument from the other side, always conceding, always compromising, and accomplishing [i]nothing.[/i] How can I not be angry, still dealing with the same arguments I did in 2005, fighting for these so-called "gimmicks" to get [i]some[/i] sort of legitimate acceptance, when not only does it seem like I've been unable to change anything, but things have actually gotten [i]worse?[/i] I closed an eleven-year old GameFAQs account a few months ago because the repetitive, circular arguments I've been having for years were damaging my psyche. The gaming community makes its decisions with the same sensationalism and bullheadedness we associate with cackling middle-aged gold diggers who watch The View and read tabloids. Christ, do you think I already haven't had this exact same conversation [i]dozens[/i] of times before, with [i]dozens[/i] of other people who just look down on me for it?
Let me ask you something: where do [i]you[/i] want gaming to head in the end?
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