• Ask.fm: ‘Hannah sent hate notes to herself’
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She probably did so to decoy for her real reason to kill herself, which maybe she thought was not 'good enough' or something. Either way she was clearly mentally unstable.. [editline]11th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;41798899]It doesn't matter the reason, killing yourself is a really selfish thing to do.[/QUOTE] I sincerely people stop thinking/saying this in the future, it's in my opinion not even the slightest bit true... It's more selfish to expect someone NOT to kill themselves so you can't grieve over them.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;41799336]I sincerely people stop thinking/saying this in the future, it's in my opinion not even the slightest bit true... It's more selfish to expect someone NOT to kill themselves so you can't grieve over them.[/QUOTE] It really goes both ways. When someone kills themselves, they either do it with or without the knowledge that everyone who cared for them will be the ones to deal with it. Parents blame themselves, friends beg why, lovers feel like they can never love anyone else in fear of losing them as well. But what everyone eventually feels after the shock and sadness is the anger; "Why did he do it? Why did he have to go and kill himself like that? How could he make me feel this way!? That bastard!" It's true, life goes on and sooner or later everyone is going to have to continue on with their lives, but for the rest of their existence, that moment when they heard the news will haunt them, a mental and emotional scar that will forever be because "you just couldn't deal with life anymore." This is the thinking behind "suicide is selfish" and regardless of whether you or me agree with it or not, it's a very valid point. I could go on about all the ways suicide affects more than just the person who committed it, but it would be really depressing.
I don't know why this is so hard to understand, she very likely doesn't have schizophrenia or anything like that In all likelihood, it's simply a case of a teen who is already suicidal having a false perceptions about what other people think of her like most depressed people do, so she acts on those (false) thoughts by basically dramtizing her situation by "throwing herself into the mud" so she can validate her feelings of being victimized. When in reality, she was just depressed and suicidal and likely nobody actually thought these things about her. The thing about being depressed is that you don't often have accurate or logical perceptions of how other people see you, and you often put an abnormally large emphasis on what other people think about you. It becomes easy to fantasize how people think about you, such as thinking that the person you think is kind of cute actually hates you because you've not successfully befriended them (the reality would be that they are impartial to you and aren't actually aware of your presence). This whole ask.fm thing is exactly like that, except she did it through ask.fm instead of crying herself to sleep over the thought. And because ask.fm is a real, tangable place, imagine going back to your ask.fm profile and seeing those reminders there you put yourself to remind you just how much you suck, it makes it easier to believe that the world really does not want you in it. In this sense, by her "writing out" her fantasies of what she thinks other people think about her in a public manner, it makes it much more "real" to the point where her opinions about herself become a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy]self-fulfilling prophecy[/url] instead of being your average depression. It's quite sad.
[QUOTE=Slowbro;41799329]It's a lot more selfish to expect someone to live in total misery so that you won't be sad for a bit.[/QUOTE] Because people don't hide their emotions, right? You really can't know whether someone is happy for real or on the verge of suicide in a lot of cases. You can't blame that person's loved ones for not seeing it before it happened, or for "expecting them to live in total misery" And really, "so that you won't be sad for a bit"? Have you ever even fucking lost someone?
[QUOTE=Thlis;41790696]It would be terrible if it turned out that it was her parents that were posting those messages. I can't really imagine why one would post those kind's of messages to themselves, except maybe to drum up some support?[/QUOTE] Weren't they going to try and sue the site? Because this seems to fit together in the most horrible way possible.
Claiming that suicidal people are selfish is ironically a selfish thing to say though. "You should live because I want you to live" doesn't really heighten self-esteem and they're probably not in the state of mind to understand that. In fact they could see themselves as dead weight and holding their loved ones back.
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/10236272/Ask.fm-Bullied-girl-sent-hate-messages-to-herself.html[/url] [quote] David Smith, Hannah’s father, did not deny his daughter may have posted some of the hate messages to herself but accused Ask.fm’s executives of trying to “cover their backs”. [/quote] Ignorant tool. How the fuck are Ask.fm supposed to monitor 65 million users? He has no idea what he's talking about.
That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying that, to put it simply, killing yourself will only benefit you and hurt a lot of people, and it's that very thought that has stopped tons of people from doing it.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;41800789]That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying that, to put it simply, killing yourself will only benefit you and hurt a lot of people, and it's that very thought that has stopped tons of people from doing it.[/QUOTE] I can't think of a single instance where killing yourself is beneficial to you.
[QUOTE=meatwad253;41793673]She was probably an attention whore, and getting no attention she killed herself.[/QUOTE] whats wrong with you and the people rating you agree? you're calling a dead 14 year old girl a whore. [editline]12th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Clovis;41795166][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection[/url][/QUOTE] if someone beats you to death this is the link i'm gonna post. survival of the fittest!
[QUOTE=st_nick5;41800776][url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/10236272/Ask.fm-Bullied-girl-sent-hate-messages-to-herself.html[/url] Ignorant tool. How the fuck are Ask.fm supposed to monitor 65 million users? He has no idea what he's talking about.[/QUOTE] I see where he's coming from, I really do, and I think we'd be idiots to deny we'd feel similar if we were in his situation. But the crazier people get over this, the more unreasonable they'll seem and the more obvious it will get that they have no idea what they're talking about.
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;41800614]Claiming that suicidal people are selfish is ironically a selfish thing to say though. "You should live because I want you to live" doesn't really heighten self-esteem and they're probably not in the state of mind to understand that. In fact they could see themselves as dead weight and holding their loved ones back.[/QUOTE] to be fair, "i like you as a person and think you should live" is a nice thing to say "you're a selfish cunt for thinking of killing yourself how could you do this to me", on the other hand, is not gotta pick your words right (this is something a lot of people in this thread would be very bad at, i feel)
[QUOTE=st_nick5;41800776][url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/10236272/Ask.fm-Bullied-girl-sent-hate-messages-to-herself.html[/url] Ignorant tool. How the fuck are Ask.fm supposed to monitor 65 million users? He has no idea what he's talking about.[/QUOTE] the mans young daughter just killed herself. of course he's going to be looking for something or someone to blame it's part of the grieving process.
[QUOTE=CMPunk444;41795981]And? She was selfish, Her sister is scarred for life now. Because of HER OWN messages, Yeah, no sympy.[/QUOTE] To say that suicide is selfish is, in itself, selfish. Imagine being in the crux of that, where the only way you can see out of the torment or suffering you're undergoing is to kill yourself. Historical bias. People put into a situation rarely see as many ways out of it as those observing it after the fact. [editline]11th August 2013[/editline] Besides, if someone wants to end their own life without ending the lives of others, they have every goddamn right to. [editline]11th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Clovis;41795166][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection[/url][/QUOTE] Death over emotional trauma or mental conditions is a man-made construct and is [I]not[/I] nature picking off a weaker member of the gene pool. If you had even fucking read that article instead of edgily shoehorning it in like a toddler with a macaroni photo showing off his wit and creativity, you would know that, but instead you just shoehorn darwinism and natural selection into everything (Like you did in the duplicate of this thread.) because it paints an artifice of intelligence and being well-read on your behalf, when in actuality you don't know dick about what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41802180]whats wrong with you and the people rating you agree? you're calling a dead 14 year old girl a whore.[/QUOTE] no he's not attention whore has nothing to do with an actual whore and is just a term for someone who wants attention
[QUOTE=supersnail11;41802980]no he's not attention whore has nothing to do with an actual whore and is just a term for someone who wants attention[/QUOTE] And is far too negatively charged for someone who seeks attention for no other reason than proving their misconceptions wrong Sure, there are people looking for attention simply because of narcissism, but you're completely mistaken if you believe this was anything but a final attempt at a chance to get someone to help her [QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;41803142]Are you actually literate? Because although the word whore was used, it was not used in a sexual way.[/QUOTE] When has the word "whore" been positively charged? Even with this context it's implying something negative
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41802180]whats wrong with you and the people rating you agree? you're calling a dead 14 year old girl a whore.[/QUOTE] Are you actually literate? Because although the word whore was used, it was not used in a sexual way.
Oh dear god, the comments on the FB site "Ask.fm Should be Deleted" about this whole thing. Everyone is going apeshit and saying that this is false.
[QUOTE=theobod;41803269]Oh dear god, the comments on the FB site "Ask.fm Should be Deleted" about this whole thing. Everyone is going apeshit and saying that this is false.[/QUOTE] Facebooks is full of stupid so doesn't surprise me
I don't mean to sound harsh, but how people let bullying over the internet get to them really baffles me.
[QUOTE=DeepInferno;41803534]I don't mean to sound harsh, but how people let bullying over the internet get to them really baffles me.[/QUOTE] when it stems from real life bullying its understandable but other than that it can be very much ridiculous.
[QUOTE=DeepInferno;41803534]I don't mean to sound harsh, but how people let bullying over the internet get to them really baffles me.[/QUOTE] Pre-existing mental issues are exacerbated by it.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;41803720]Pre-existing mental issues are exacerbated by it.[/QUOTE] or understandable via that
[QUOTE=J!NX;41803715]when it stems from real life bullying its understandable but other than that it can be very much ridiculous.[/QUOTE] I do very much agree with that, this girl obviously had some personal issues or something. I feel sorry for the loved ones who lost her.
Wow, that's just horrible. If she did write so much bad stuff about herself she must of been in quite a bad state of mind to begin with
[QUOTE=sam6420;41805396]This kinda shit happens everyday, why it had caused all of you to get your panties in a bunch is beyond me. How long have most of you guys been certified psychologists BTW?[/QUOTE] Armchair, yeah. Why?
[QUOTE=sam6420;41805396]This kinda shit happens everyday, why it had caused all of you to get your panties in a bunch is beyond me. How long have most of you guys been certified psychologists BTW?[/QUOTE] "You're all childish for wondering why she did this. Teenage girls send themselves hundreds of hate messages before committing suicide every day. I know this because reasons." -sam6420, Ph.D
Could be likely that a bully found where she lives and was asking her the questions while leeching off the internet.
[QUOTE=weedscopes;41806059]Could be likely that a bully found where she lives and was asking her the questions while leeching off the internet.[/QUOTE] No, no it definitely couldn't. Even on the off chance they don't use a secure network (I personally haven't seen an unsecure one since around 2006 or 07, so they're rare) you would have to be pants on head retarded to not notice someone camping out in the neighbourhood on a laptop.
[QUOTE=weedscopes;41806059]Could be likely that a bully found where she lives and was asking her the questions while leeching off the internet.[/QUOTE] occams razor way more complicated to be a bully leeching internet than her having mental issues
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