i wonder if the other 2% of messages were from herself as well but the ISP did a connection drop/ip swap at some point.
[QUOTE=sam6420;41805396]This kinda shit happens everyday, why it had caused all of you to get your panties in a bunch is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
I keep seeing this argument all over Facepunch and I think it's the stupidest thing ever. You're saying that because teenage depression leads to teenage suicide all the time, we shouldn't be phased by it? It ranks up there with the people who say, "The world isn't a perfect place, so let's not try."
Teenage suicide [i]does[/i] happen all the time, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable. If anything, this is a reminder.
We're not idiots who gasp and shout, "WHAT? THIS HAPPENS?" Of course it happens. It still sucks.
If she was "crying for help" she should have asked for it from a professional. I'm pretty sure her parents would try to get her help if she was wanting to kill herself. That said, it's sad that she died, but she has nobody to blame but herself. Help is there, but she chose to throw herself under her own mental bus and asked other people to back it off of her. Even doing that, she set herself up to be run over by the same fucking bus.
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;41807505]If she was "crying for help" she should have asked for it from a professional.[/QUOTE]
Most troubled people should get help, but uh, that's obviously a choice that's not always going to be made. In many cases, depressed people usually end up already feeling like a burden which pushes them farther away from the idea of getting help because they think it'll make themselves even more of a burden. Some people don't believe they don't deserve any help.
She's also 14.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;41807680]Most troubled people should get help, but uh, that's obviously a choice that's not always going to be made. In many cases, depressed people usually end up already feeling like a burden which pushes them farther away from the idea of getting help because they think it'll make themselves even more of a burden. Some people don't believe they don't deserve any help.
She's also 14.[/QUOTE]
As much as I'd like to argue with that, I can't because I know how it is to feel like that. I guess it just bothers me that she'd try to get people to jump on her hate bandwagon by calling herself stuff. Just a bad scenario overall, and I really wish she would've gotten help. It makes her seem like an attention whore to comment at herself though.
I need to subscribe to read the full article? Really?
[QUOTE=supersnail11;41802980]no he's not
attention whore has nothing to do with an actual whore and is just a term for someone who wants attention[/QUOTE]
oh okay that changes anything then. that you're using a different insult for a 14 year old girl that killed herself is far less despicable
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41808137]oh okay that changes anything then. that you're using a different insult for a 14 year old girl that killed herself is far less despicable[/QUOTE]
The only reason why you care he insults her is because she died. Any other scenario and you would not give the slightest fuck. Get off your high horse.
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;41808179]The only reason why you care he insults her is because she died. Any other scenario and you would not give the slightest fuck. Get off your high horse.[/QUOTE]
actually i'm pretty against people insulting young girls who clearly have mental issues at all times
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how about rather than me getting off my high horse people just don't use such insulting terms to describe others? especially young girls? especially young girls who killed themselves?
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;41807505]If she was "crying for help" she should have asked for it from a professional. I'm pretty sure [B][I]her parents would try to get her help if she was wanting to kill herself[/I][/B]. That said, it's sad that she died, but she has nobody to blame but herself. Help is there, but she chose to throw herself under her own mental bus and asked other people to back it off of her. Even doing that, she set herself up to be run over by the same fucking bus.[/QUOTE]
As somebody whose girlfriend is struggling with quite severe depression (an opinion accepted by everybody except her), I'd like to wish this was true. Maybe if they'd treat it like an issue, she wouldn't feel the need to hide it all away and talk like nothing's wrong with her.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;41808859]As somebody whose girlfriend is struggling with quite severe depression (an opinion accepted by everybody except her), I'd like to wish this was true. Maybe if they'd treat it like an issue, she wouldn't feel the need to hide it all away and talk like nothing's wrong with her.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this, parents treating it as a non-issue can really make a situation bad.
I've seen it first hand like you but sadly what I could do wasn't enough.
[QUOTE=Widgeon;41790886]Maybe she killed herself to make a point about cyber bullying...[/QUOTE]
That's one hell of a way to make a point.
she was an attention seeker.
mystery solved?
its still bad she killed herself thouhg obviously
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;41807505]If she was "crying for help" she should have asked for it from a professional. I'm pretty sure her parents would try to get her help if she was wanting to kill herself. That said, it's sad that she died, but she has nobody to blame but herself. Help is there, but she chose to throw herself under her own mental bus and asked other people to back it off of her. Even doing that, she set herself up to be run over by the same fucking bus.[/QUOTE]
The way people are raised simply doesn't prepare them for anything like it.
People never learn about mental disorder and interpersonal issues because it's almost taboo to talk about such things. I think they adopt a sort of 'if we don't talk about it, then it doesn't exist' attitude for the most part, and hope that people don't accidentally stumble outside the established corridors.
I guess it sorta works. Disarray can come about merely by thinking about stuff further than just how it appears at face value. Avoid the dangerous questions and earn yourself a dull yet comfortable life.
Unfortunately the taboo-ness of it all leads to people exacerbating their own conditions. Suddenly feeling X becomes 'Condition X' and feeling Y becomes 'Condition Y' which must be avoided, ignored, stifled and suppressed at any cost, which is how it currently stands.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;41808859]As somebody whose girlfriend is struggling with quite severe depression (an opinion accepted by everybody except her), I'd like to wish this was true. Maybe if they'd treat it like an issue, she wouldn't feel the need to hide it all away and talk like nothing's wrong with her.[/QUOTE]
I mean, look at how they're treating this, instead of saying "shit we should've seen it and done something about it" they're still saying that there's a possibility the site is just covering up for themselves
This is what pisses me off about things like this, no one ever pays attention or cares enough to prevent this from happening and often act like there's nothing they could've done to change it afterwards
[editline]12th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=barrab;41809183]she was an attention seeker.
mystery solved?
its still bad she killed herself thouhg obviously[/QUOTE]
Oh my [I]fucking [B]god[/B][/I] the kind of ignorance about this subject is appalling
She did not do this out of simple "attention seeking". She was clinically depressed, and most likely felt like a waste for her close ones. Because of that, she couldn't or didn't want to ask anyone for help, as she didn't want to bother someone more than she already believed she was, and she didn't expect anyone to show care for her.
She can't simply ask someone to care for her, and asking for help/talking about her condition is out of the question, so what does she do? She belittles herself in front of others, with the bad things she believes about herself, hoping that someone will disprove them so she can attempt to stop believing them. When this doesn't happen, she simply "eases the burden" on everyone else by giving up and killing herself. Sure, it ends up hurting a lot of other people, but she didn't know this. She believes the negativitiy she thinks about herself [I]because no one is willing to prove her wrong, even after she tried forcing it with something like this[/I]
The really annoying thing about these kinds of suicides is that most of them actually show clear signs of it beforehand, even while they're trying to hide it, it's just that most people pay too little attention to others to notice them. Then, when it's too late to do anything about, they blame something else(videogames, the internet, etc) instead of their own obliviousness
[QUOTE=sam6420;41805396]This kinda shit happens everyday, why it had caused all of you to get your panties in a bunch is beyond me. How long have most of you guys been certified psychologists BTW?[/QUOTE]
Rapemurders happen daily. Genocide happens daily. Global warming happens daily. The slow, inevitable and unstoppable death of your body's cells happens daily. Does this mean we shouldn't stop it? Fuck no! That's the entire point of the human conviction. To constantly strive and fight the inevitable, to be constantly striving for improvement, evolution, and change.
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[QUOTE=sam6420;41808106]Bitches send themselves hate messages all the time, source: I know bitches
[editline]12th August 2013[/editline]
Wouldn't expect you to have those kind of resources[/QUOTE]
Christ, you really are an upstanding individual, aren't you?
[editline]12th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;41807505]If she was "crying for help" she should have asked for it from a professional. I'm pretty sure her parents would try to get her help if she was wanting to kill herself. That said, it's sad that she died, but she has nobody to blame but herself. Help is there, but she chose to throw herself under her own mental bus and asked other people to back it off of her. Even doing that, she set herself up to be run over by the same fucking bus.[/QUOTE]
The fear of rejection and/or institutionalization can often contribute to the reason why people don't ask for help. They're terrified that when they break their guise and tell the truth to their loved ones, they will reject them.
[QUOTE=sam6420;41815185]And what are you going to do about this girl committing suicide? I didn't say nobody should care about this girl or her death, I questioned why facepunch cares. "Oh blah blah strive for improvement", because you know, you guys are REALLY improving a lot sitting here slapping each other in the face the second someone disagrees with your (useless) opinion on why she killed herself.
[editline]12th August 2013[/editline]
Christ, you really are a bland individual, aren't you?
[editline]12th August 2013[/editline]
Oh right, so let's discuss why she did it on a forum, that will stop all of the girls from committing suicide!
[editline]12th August 2013[/editline]
Anywho I'm done here.[/QUOTE]
you should be done with forums in general if you have such a problem with people discussing things posted on them.
[QUOTE=sam6420;41815185]And what are you going to do about this girl committing suicide? I didn't say nobody should care about this girl or her death, I questioned why facepunch cares. "Oh blah blah strive for improvement", because you know, you guys are REALLY improving a lot sitting here slapping each other in the face the second someone disagrees with your (useless) opinion on why she killed herself.
[editline]12th August 2013[/editline]
Christ, you really are a bland individual, aren't you?
[editline]12th August 2013[/editline]
Oh right, so let's discuss why she did it on a forum, that will stop all of the girls from committing suicide!
[editline]12th August 2013[/editline]
Anywho I'm done here.[/QUOTE]
i was gonna barge in this thread and say she was an attention whore aswell, but then i read the thread and came to a different conclusion.
you should try it sometime, reading and thinking, it requires using your brain though unfortunately
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;41807505]If she was "crying for help" she should have asked for it from a professional. I'm pretty sure her parents would try to get her help if she was wanting to kill herself. That said, it's sad that she died, but she has nobody to blame but herself. Help is there, but she chose to throw herself under her own mental bus and asked other people to back it off of her. Even doing that, she set herself up to be run over by the same fucking bus.[/QUOTE]
Saying she had noone to blame but herself is fucking cruel. You ever gotten caught in severe depression or schizophrenia?
You're driven to that point whether you want to be or not. Getting help isn't as easy as clicking your fingers when your whole brain is telling you it's a bad thing to do.
[editline]13th August 2013[/editline]
It's kind of sickening how as a collective SH seemingly has no second thoughts on making fun of someone with a serious metal illness. Not saying you are, though. Just passing comment on the rest of the thread.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41815764]It's kind of sickening how as a collective SH seemingly has no second thoughts on making fun of someone with a serious metal illness. Not saying you are, though. Just passing comment on the rest of the thread.[/QUOTE]
A lot of people don't seem to know what schizophrenia actually is either
This girl was anything but
[QUOTE=sam6420;41815185]And what are you going to do about this girl committing suicide? I didn't say nobody should care about this girl or her death, I questioned why facepunch cares.[/QUOTE]
I personally care because I've had plenty of suicidal friends - some of which I've helped and currently help on a regular basis. I try to do stuff about it.
I'm not going to start a rally for this girl's suicide or anything, but I mean, I care about suicide prevention and all kinds of things on that subject. And even if I didn't, I'm pretty sure we're allowed to discuss about things that we don't necessarily have an impact on. Are you suggesting I can't discuss things like the kinds of politics that are out of my reach, or am I just not supposed to discuss girls' suicides? Where do you draw the line? What are we allowed to talk about on this forum?
Moreso, understanding perspectives and what was possibly wrong with this girl is both insightful and beneficial if you ever find yourself in the position to help someone in a similar position.
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[QUOTE=sam6420;41815185]Anywho I'm done here.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=sam6420;41816084][b]YOU[/b] should, because I didn't call her an attention whore. gf.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=meatwad253;41793673]She was probably an attention whore, and getting no attention she killed herself.[/QUOTE]
i think this post right here epitomizes this entire thread
holy shit, you people.
[editline]12th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;41807505]If she was "crying for help" she should have asked for it from a professional. I'm pretty sure her parents would try to get her help if she was wanting to kill herself. That said, it's sad that she died, but she has nobody to blame but herself. Help is there, but she chose to throw herself under her own mental bus and asked other people to back it off of her. Even doing that, she set herself up to be run over by the same fucking bus.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, why don't depressed people just get HELP! It's easy, I do it all the time!
It's as if they're not fit mentally, hmm.. must be their fault! Shame on them!
As someone who has major depression, insomnia, and anxiety, and have been suicidal before, I am literally in absolute shock with the ridiculous amounts of ignorance and cold-heartedness in this thread. "She's just an attention whore! Fuck her! Killing yourself is so selfish!" I just cannot even begin to grasp some of your guys' inability to recognize that shes mentally ill, and the obvious implications of that. She was in no mental state to make good conscious decisions. Of course she won't go for help if she already sees herself as a burden. Of course she wants attention because shes extremely unhappy with herself. Of course she killed herself when she thought of it as being nothing but better for everyone involved. If you even begin to start thinking that mentally ill people are at fault for their own mental illness, then I have a message from me to you:
[B]Fuck you.[/B]
Man what the fuck is the stigma about being an attention whore anyway? There's not a single damn thing unreasonable about wanting other people to notice you. Do some people take it too far? Yeah, but most also aren't fucking suicidal. You should be on your knees PRAYING that all suicidal people are attention whores because maybe then someone would notice they are going to fucking kill themselves and need help jesus christ I didn't know wanting other people to actually acknowledge you as a person was something so heinous that you would get insulted for it by pampered internet nerds if you take your own life.
[QUOTE=RandomGamer342;41809964]I mean, look at how they're treating this, instead of saying "shit we should've seen it and done something about it" they're still saying that there's a possibility the site is just covering up for themselves
This is what pisses me off about things like this, no one ever pays attention or cares enough to prevent this from happening and often act like there's nothing they could've done to change it afterwards
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Oh my [I]fucking [B]god[/B][/I] the kind of ignorance about this subject is appalling
She did not do this out of simple "attention seeking". She was clinically depressed, and most likely felt like a waste for her close ones. Because of that, she couldn't or didn't want to ask anyone for help, as she didn't want to bother someone more than she already believed she was, and she didn't expect anyone to show care for her.
She can't simply ask someone to care for her, and asking for help/talking about her condition is out of the question, so what does she do? She belittles herself in front of others, with the bad things she believes about herself, hoping that someone will disprove them so she can attempt to stop believing them. When this doesn't happen, she simply "eases the burden" on everyone else by giving up and killing herself. Sure, it ends up hurting a lot of other people, but she didn't know this. She believes the negativitiy she thinks about herself [I]because no one is willing to prove her wrong, even after she tried forcing it with something like this[/I]
The really annoying thing about these kinds of suicides is that most of them actually show clear signs of it beforehand, even while they're trying to hide it, it's just that most people pay too little attention to others to notice them. Then, when it's too late to do anything about, they blame something else(videogames, the internet, etc) instead of their own obliviousness[/QUOTE]
yes. what you just described was attention seeking. when some people are depressed, they seek attention.
[editline]13th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;41817357]Man what the fuck is the stigma about being an attention whore anyway? There's not a single damn thing unreasonable about wanting other people to notice you. Do some people take it too far? Yeah, but most also aren't fucking suicidal. You should be on your knees PRAYING that all suicidal people are attention whores because maybe then someone would notice they are going to fucking kill themselves and need help jesus christ I didn't know wanting other people to actually acknowledge you as a person was something so heinous that you would get insulted for it by pampered internet nerds if you take your own life.[/QUOTE]
because its petty behavior. its not that hard to be accepted into a group, especially on the internet. i bet you would have all found this girl insufferable.
[QUOTE=barrab;41821139]
because its petty behavior. its not that hard to be accepted into a group, especially on the internet. i bet you would have all found this girl insufferable.[/QUOTE]
"God I hate that guy in the wheelchair. He makes me have to open doors and stuff for him! What a selfish prick! If YOU guys had to open doors for him, you would also hate him!"
This is what you sound like right now.
[QUOTE=barrab;41821139]
because its petty behavior. its not that hard to be accepted into a group, especially on the internet. i bet you would have all found this girl insufferable.[/QUOTE]
Are you totally fucking blind to irony and hipocracy? You claim it's easy to be accepted yet you yourself are damning and excluding someone for their behavior.
[QUOTE=sam6420;41815185]Oh right, so let's discuss why she did it on a forum, that will stop all of the girls from committing suicide![/QUOTE]
Because discussing on a forum how much you don't care about girls committing suicide is so much more productive amirite?
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;41807505]If she was "crying for help" she should have asked for it from a professional. I'm pretty sure her parents would try to get her help if she was wanting to kill herself. That said, it's sad that she died, but she has nobody to blame but herself. Help is there, but she chose to throw herself under her own mental bus and asked other people to back it off of her. Even doing that, she set herself up to be run over by the same fucking bus.[/QUOTE]
I want to point out a few things as to why I disagree with this post.
Even if you were to seek help from professionals, and you recieved it, there is no miracle cure or treatment. Loads of people seek help but end up going down the wrong way still. Why? Because we know too little about the human psyche and brain to reliably treat depression.
Also one of the reasons for why people fall into depressions and end up killing themselves is because to them there [B]is no help[/B] to be had. When you're really sad you don't think "I feel terrible, I guess I'm suffering from depression, I'm going to seek professional help" - in a lot of cases the victim of depression doesn't even admit/realise the fact that they're depressed.
[QUOTE=katbug;41791000]It's called fishing for attention/compliments, and it's nothing new.[/QUOTE]
This is pretty much it.
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