Australian dictionary has changed its definition of misogyny to to mean 'entrenched prejudice agains - Polidicks

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38077441]You're reinforcing sexism by not allowing sexism to exist at the other side.[/QUOTE] [img]http://movies.maxupdates.tv/wp-contents/uploads/2010/01/Dodgeball-A-True-Underdog-Story.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38077382]It would be sexist in an equal world but in the real world that currently exists it is not sexist because there is not a vast institutionalized system of anti-male discrimination. It's not sexist because it calling a man a dick doesn't do anything other than making him upset.[/QUOTE]How does that make it right though? Isn't the entire statement you just made inherently sexist because it tries to create a special circumstance or rationale in which it is acceptable to denigrate someone on the basis of who they are for no other reason than that they are themselves?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38077382]It would be sexist in an equal world but in the real world that currently exists it is not sexist because there is not a vast institutionalized system of anti-male discrimination. It's not sexist because it calling a man a dick doesn't do anything other than making him upset.[/QUOTE] It's precisely the same. Calling a woman a cow in reference to her being fat only makes her upset about being called out for her fat. The difference in Nigger and Cow is on what's the primary negative load. With nigger it's race with Cow it's not gender but body size and the fact that cows are generally docile as opposed to bulls. For instance a lot of languages have the same insult based on men and women with gender specificness. Cow targetting Fat and or stupid women Steer targetting a fat and or stupid man. That's an insult that focuses on a physical aspect which is not primarily connected to the gender of the target. Bitch and Dick on the other hand primarily focus on a gender aspect but still are generally not sexist insults by themselves without prior context. Someone pissed off at a woman for good reason might call her a bitch without being sexist as both bitch and dick have evolved to carry a meaning above the primary negative impact. But that doesn't stop either of those insults to be used in a sexist of misogynistic fashion. On the other hand Nigger is generally used solely as a racially fuelled insult and has never evolved connotation about the primary load. [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38077478]Well your culture is a culture you made up to specifically validate this specific argument that you're currently making so don't get mad at me for not [I]getting[/I] it. If you're going to tell me that in your culture there isn't an intrinsic link between the word that specifically refers to female bovines and females then I'm going to call you a liar or a weirdo who just redefines what words means when it's convenient. And when I don't know what something means, I look it up. The dictionary says that's the definition of cis so..[/QUOTE] Well it's obviously not a satisfactory answer so maybe you should [B]look a little harder.[/B][/QUOTE] Honestly the first time I've ever heard of CIS privileges was a few months ago on a random internet rant. I'd argue that virtually almost no one heard of that term. Maybe in a native english speaking country, but even so the chance of that is pretty low.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38077478]Well your culture is culture you made up to specifically validate this specific argument that you're currently making so don't get mad at me for not [i]getting[/i] it. And when I don't know what something means, I look it up. The dictionary says that's the definition of cis so..[/QUOTE] Well it's obviously not a satisfactory answer so maybe you should [b]look a little harder.[/b][/QUOTE] I live in a different country THAT'S why I have a different culture, you dunce. And where should I have looked harder? Google is no use.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38077504]Well it's obviously not a satisfactory answer so maybe you should [b]look a little harder.[/b][/QUOTE] I live in a different country THAT'S why I have a different culture, you dunce. And where should I have looked harder? Google is no use.[/QUOTE] CIs privilege is a relatively newly commonly used term denoting people who have apparent privileges of having the body gender they identify as well. Aka the majority of the population.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38077488]How does that make it right though? Isn't the entire statement you just made inherently sexist because it tries to create a special circumstance or rationale in which it is acceptable to denigrate someone on the basis of who they are for no other reason than that they are themselves?[/QUOTE] I never said it was "right", I just said it was [B]NOT THE SAME[/B] I honestly don't particularly care about whether or not dick can technically be called a sexist term because [B]SEXISM AGAINST MEN IS NOT A WIDESPREAD, SOCIALLY ENTRENCHED PROBLEM[/B]. I care as much about "dick" being a sexist term as I do about "cracker" being a racist term. No white guy has ever been at a significant disadvantage because of widespread discrimination against white people in America.

Cow is gender specific because cows have functioning udders.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;38077540][quote]I live in a different country THAT'S why I have a different culture, you dunce. And where should I have looked harder? Google is no use.[/QUOTE] CIs privilege is a relatively newly commonly used term denoting people who have apparent privileges of having the body gender they identify as well. Aka the majority of the population.[/QUOTE] Thank you. Wait what, he used it as an insult.

the exact same arguments that MRAs use against the usage of the word misogyny can be applied to the usage of the word misandry

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38077595]Thank you. Wait what, he used it as an insult.[/QUOTE] No, that person was saying that, maybe, as a "normal" guy, you're really not in a position to be telling women what they should and shouldn't get offended at because (as a man) you probably haven't gone through what a lot of women have gone through.

[QUOTE=Dori;38077626]the exact same arguments that MRAs use against the usage of the word misogyny can be applied to the usage of the word misandry[/QUOTE] No one's talking about misandry here, why bring it up.

btw interpreting words completely literally to discredit a group of people you disagree with is incredibly childish and intellectually lazy [editline]17th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers2;38077664]No one's talking about misandry here, why bring it up.[/QUOTE] idk try reading my post again maybe it'll click

Check the Oxford Dictionary definition. Nothing new.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38077631]No, that person was saying that, maybe, as a "normal" guy, you're really not in a position to be telling women what they should and shouldn't get offended at because (as a man) you probably haven't gone through what a lot of women have gone through.[/QUOTE] Lol. Seriously, what a lot of women have gone through? Fine, but what gives them the right to decide what I can be offended about? Have they gone through the things I have gone through?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38077382]It would be sexist in an equal world but in the real world that currently exists it is not sexist because there is not a vast institutionalized system of anti-male discrimination. [/QUOTE] Verbal discrimination against men isn't sexist just because it's more prevalent amongst women? Wha-what? If a man is discrimated against because of his gender, then that's sexism. Whether such discrimination is common and deep-rooted throughout the wider world has no bearing on that unlike what you're suggesting. People are individuals, it's not like every woman is subject to all the misogyny present in the world and every man is responsible for that. That's pretty terrible logic

-actually snip, i think i might be lost-

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;38077721]-actually snip, i think i might be lost-[/QUOTE] There is an Australian version, but it is British. Check the British version.

[QUOTE=Dori;38077672]btw interpreting words completely literally to discredit a group of people you disagree with is incredibly childish and intellectually lazy [editline]17th October 2012[/editline] idk try reading my post again maybe it'll click[/QUOTE] They're trying to explain the difference between sexism and misogyny, but are wrong in every single one of their examples. Just dead wrong. That does not help.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38077239]Out of curiosity, would you consider calling a man a dick or a bastard to be sexist as well?[/QUOTE] You have to think of the connotations. If you get called a dick, it's not a serious word. Is there any single generic insult that can be used against you that can really hurt your feelings? A woman, though, has [I]all[/I] the big guns pointed at her. Cunt. Slut. Whore.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38077714]Lol. Seriously, what a lot of women have gone through? Fine, but what gives them the right to decide what I can be offended about? Have they gone through the things I have gone through?[/QUOTE] Ok, what serious hardships have you gone through [i]because[/i] you were a man?

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38077747]They're trying to explain the difference between sexism and misogyny, but are wrong in every single one of their examples. Just dead wrong. That does not help.[/QUOTE] ok explain to me the difference between sexism and misogyny and why anybody but deluded MRAs should care

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38077381]??[/QUOTE] "Cis" is what trans people use for normal people because they don't want to imply that they're not normal. "Cisgendered", "Cissexual".

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38077750]Ok, what serious hardships have you gone through [i]because[/i] you were a man?[/QUOTE] Circumcision.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;38077745]There is an Australian version, but it is British. Check the British version.[/QUOTE] I was just making an offhand remark that you kind of expect this stuff to come out of Australia.

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;38077767]Circumcision.[/QUOTE] try again dude, that isn't a practice rooted in misandry

[QUOTE=Dori;38077788]try again dude, that isn't a practice rooted in misandry[/QUOTE] i would like to second this response and also add: "thbbbbbt"

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38077750]Ok, what serious hardships have you gone through [i]because[/i] you were a man?[/QUOTE] I have to put the toilet seat down for women

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38077749]You have to think of the connotations. If you get called a dick, it's not a serious word. Is there any single generic insult that can be used against you that can really hurt your feelings? A woman, though, has [I]all[/I] the big guns pointed at her. Cunt. Slut. Whore.[/QUOTE] How much it potentially hurts your feelings should not be a meter of the sexism of an insult. If I walk up to you and say that you're just a man and mean it as an insult, then you have avery clear sexist insult. Even if it doesn't hurt you emotionally. Even if you'r feelings are untarnished. As such making a distinction between Slut and Dick just because it hurts women more is actually fairly sexist as well. Oh we have to tip toe around women, because they taske offense so much easier.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38077766]"Cis" is what trans people use for normal people because they don't want to imply that they're not normal.[/QUOTE] I thought of that from the way I usually see "cis" and "trans" (in reference to fats) at first and though "why are trans people trying to make themselves look bad"

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38077811]i would like to second this response and also add: "thbbbbbt"[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dori;38077788]try again dude, that isn't a practice rooted in misandry[/QUOTE] It would answer the question of a hardship he underwent [I]because[/I] he was male though, wouldn't it?