Australian dictionary has changed its definition of misogyny to to mean 'entrenched prejudice agains - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Vasili;38077817]I have to put the toilet seat down for women[/QUOTE] I concur.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38077824]It would answer the question of a hardship he underwent [I]because[/I] he was male though, wouldn't it?[/QUOTE] It was mostly jest, although now that I think about it women can be "circumcised" too.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;38077820]How much it potentially hurts your feelings should not be a meter of the sexism of an insult. If I walk up to you and say that you're just a man and mean it as an insult, then you have avery clear sexist insult. Even if it doesn't hurt you emotionally. Even if you'r feelings are untarnished. As such making a distinction between Slut and Dick just because it hurts women more is actually fairly sexist as well. Oh we have to tip toe around women, because they taske offense so much easier.[/QUOTE] The point is not that women take offense easier but that there's some [I]serious[/I] verbal ammunition against them. It's a societal problem.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38077824]It would answer the question of a hardship he underwent [I]because[/I] he was male though, wouldn't it?[/QUOTE] No because it's not rooted in anti-male attitudes and because it's not a hardship I should have been a little clearer I guess but whatevs

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38077750]Ok, what serious hardships have you gone through [I]because[/I] you were a man?[/QUOTE] None that I can think of. Maybe being expected to be the one asking the other out, that's a serious problem caused by me being a man. Maybe being expected to not feel any pain. Maybe being expected to always lend a hand. Maybe being expected to do heavy lifting. But I'm sure you won't think of those as hardships.

I would like to point out that there's pressure again a man who accidentally fathers a child with a woman to support that child and woman. There are situations where this could be seen as expecting of the man. I mean, I'm not an expert on this, so bear with me if I'm wrong.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38077888]None that I can think of. Maybe being expected to be the one asking the other out, that's a serious problem caused by me being a man. Maybe being expected to not feel any pain. Maybe being expected to always lend a hand. Maybe being expected to do heavy lifting. But I'm sure you won't think of those as hardships.[/QUOTE] these are hardly sexist towards men dude - they're more or less pushed on everyone

ITT: men talk to men about women.

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;38077943]I would like to point out that there's pressure again a man who accidentally fathers a child with a woman to support that child and woman.[/QUOTE] um I'm pretty sure that all humans are expected to care for their children, dude. not just men. if you don't want to risk raising a child, don't fuck women [editline]17th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers2;38077888]None that I can think of. Maybe being expected to be the one asking the other out, that's a serious problem caused by me being a man. Maybe being expected to not feel any pain. Maybe being expected to always lend a hand. Maybe being expected to do heavy lifting. But I'm sure you won't think of those as hardships.[/QUOTE] you managed to list 4 things which are a consequence of putting men on a pedestal

[QUOTE=Ownederd;38077945]these are hardly sexist towards men dude - they're more or less pushed on everyone[/QUOTE] While I wasn't being serious with that post, that isn't true at all. Men are expected to do those things while women are not.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38077995]While I wasn't being serious with that post, that isn't true at all. Men are expected to do those things while women are not.[/QUOTE] hmm I wonder if deeply entrenched misogyny (the ideal woman in the west being delicate, celibate, and obedient) has anything to do with that

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[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38077995]While I wasn't being serious with that post, that isn't true at all. Men are expected to do those things while women are not.[/QUOTE] That is a social construct, invented by men. Not women.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;38077945]these are hardly sexist towards men dude - they're more or less pushed on everyone[/QUOTE] actually I would personally argue that men are more likely to usually perform most of the those things. [QUOTE=NoDachi;38078025]That is a social construct, invented by men. Not women.[/QUOTE] I would chalk it up to society as a whole.

[QUOTE=Dori;38078004]hmm I wonder if deeply entrenched misogyny (the ideal woman in the west being a delicate, celibate, and obedient) has anything to do with that[/QUOTE] Again, sexism, not misogyny.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38078031]Again, sexism, not misogyny.[/QUOTE] no dude I'm pretty sure that negative attitudes toward and oppression of the female sex and gender is misogyny

[QUOTE=Dori;38078039]no dude I'm pretty sure that negative attitudes toward the female sex and gender is misogyny[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure the dictionary (everywhere but australian) states hatred and not 'negative attitudes'. Besides, how can you even class those things as negative?

[QUOTE=Dori;38078004]hmm I wonder if deeply entrenched misogyny (the ideal woman in the west being delicate, celibate, and obedient) has anything to do with that[/QUOTE] Eastern culture is like this too. [editline]17th October 2012[/editline] Oh right, you're Dorial. I should ignore everything you say.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38078066]I'm pretty sure the dictionary (everywhere but australian) states hatred and not 'negative attitudes'. Besides, how can you even class those things as negative?[/QUOTE] "[I] misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.[/I]"

are threads like these honeypots? seriously I mean the ONLY things that happen is shitflnging between the same people every time.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;38078116]"[I] misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.[/I]"[/QUOTE] So misogyny encompasses sexism?

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38078066]I'm pretty sure the dictionary (everywhere but australian) states hatred and not 'negative attitudes'. [/QUOTE] that is an etymological definition (miso = hate, gyne = woman), not a real-use definition you may as well argue that homophobia doesn't exist because nobody is literally afraid of gay people

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38077027]afaik reddit has such a wide spectrum of leanings that it's almost impossible to characterize... try characterizing r/feminism like that[/QUOTE] yo, r/feminism is mainly run by misogynists

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;38078159]So misogyny encompasses sexism?[/QUOTE] [I]"Misogyny .... is a central part of sexist prejudice and ideology and, as such, is an important basis for the oppression of females in male-dominated societies. Misogyny is manifested in many different ways, from jokes to pornography to violence to the self-contempt women may be taught to feel toward their own bodies."[/I]

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38077750]Ok, what serious hardships have you gone through [i]because[/i] you were a man?[/QUOTE] Again, people are individuals. Women and men aren't single entities or hiveminds. If one women is discriminated against the hurt that is causes for her doesn't magically spread throughout the whole of the female population. Likewise, just because men as a whole have discriminated against women more so than women have done so against men doesn't mean that every single man has to be subject to the implications of that and is responsible for said discrimination It's like vou're saying women discriminating against men isn't sexism because as a whole, women have been subject to more discrimination. Again, that implies that every individual man is responsible as if we're all a hivemind, and goes on the illogical assumption that the overall offended can never offend the overall offenders

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;38077943]I would like to point out that there's pressure again a man who accidentally fathers a child with a woman to support that child and woman. There are situations where this could be seen as expecting of the man. I mean, I'm not an expert on this, so bear with me if I'm wrong.[/QUOTE] I have thought about this. You know you go on the shitty TV shows where they have two men and "Who is the real father of the child?" and if they both screwed the lady without protection then they're both equally dirtbags, I have to disagree that the one that actually [I]did[/I] it should be solely and fully responsible.

[QUOTE=RobbL;38078170]Again, people are individuals. Women and men aren't single entities or hiveminds. If one women is discriminated against the hurt that is causes for her doesn't magically spread throughout the whole of the female population. Likewise, just because men as a whole have discriminated against women more so than women have done so against men doesn't mean that every single man has to be subject to the implications of that and is responsible for said discrimination It's like vou're saying women discriminating against men isn't sexism because as a whole, women have been subject to more discrimination. Again, that implies that every individual man is responsible as if we're all a hivemind, and goes on the illogical assumption that the overall offended can never offend the overall offenders[/QUOTE] Except your point is flawed because it doesn't represent anything at a social or cultural level where most of it actually exists.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38078186]I have thought about this. You know you go on the shitty TV shows where they have two men and "Who is the real father of the child?" and if they both screwed the lady without protection then they're both equally dirtbags, I have to disagree that the one that actually [I]did[/I] it should be solely and fully responsible.[/QUOTE] What if the woman is on a form of ingested birth control and consents to not using male protection? That's the grey area imo. [editline]17th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=NoDachi;38078168][I]"Misogyny .... is a central part of sexist prejudice and ideology and, as such, is an important basis for the oppression of females in male-dominated societies. Misogyny is manifested in many different ways, from jokes to pornography to violence to the self-contempt women may be taught to feel toward their own bodies."[/I][/QUOTE] Pornography does not have to be misogynistic.

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;38078218]Pornography does not have to be misogynistic.[/QUOTE] it doesn't have to be, but for the most part, it is.

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;38078218]Pornography does not have to be misogynistic.[/QUOTE] Neither do jokes. Or violence. But I like porn as much as the next person, but I'm well aware that it's representation of women is almost entirely misogynistic, as an industry. Sorry what is your point again?