Australian dictionary has changed its definition of misogyny to to mean 'entrenched prejudice agains - Polidicks

do MRAs think that they're going to transform into feminazis a la sailor moon if they acknowledge that misogyny exists and that it's a real problem?

[QUOTE=Dori;38078160]that is an etymological definition (miso = hate, gyne = woman), not a real-use definition you may as well argue that homophobia doesn't exist because nobody is literally afraid of gay people[/QUOTE] No, I'm arguing by what the dictionary states the words mean, not what you're telling me the words mean. "mi·sog·y·ny The hatred of women by men" "ho·mo·pho·bi·a An extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people"

Idk, I guess it was extraneous information. I'm not good at debate.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38078292]No, I'm arguing by what the dictionary states the words mean, not what you're telling me the words mean. "mi·sog·y·ny The hatred of women by men" "ho·mo·pho·bi·a An extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people"[/QUOTE] You can never base an entire argument over a tiny dictionary definition. Especially over a word that needs to be described in an entire essay. Ultimately, it makes you look stupid and lack any intellectual seriousness.

So, back up, what's everyone's core argument? Are we even sticking to the article anymore?

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38078292]No, I'm arguing by what the dictionary states the words mean, not what you're telling me the words mean. "mi·sog·y·ny The hatred of women by men" "ho·mo·pho·bi·a An extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people"[/QUOTE] The irony of the situation being that this thread is about a dictionary changing its definition of "mi·sog·y·ny"

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;38078315]So, back up, what's everyone's core argument? Are we even sticking to the article anymore?[/QUOTE] honestly how many people in this thread just saw "women" and decided to hop in I'd say most of them.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38078292] "ho·mo·pho·bi·a An extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people"[/QUOTE] that is not the etymological definition. you can't stick to the etymological definition of one word but not the other to suit your (weak) argument

[QUOTE=Untouch;38078324]honestly how many people in this thread just saw "women" and decided to hop in I'd say most of them.[/QUOTE] Did you just hop in to threadshit or are you actually going to post anything?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;38077947]ITT: men talk to men about women.[/QUOTE] don't you know Dori's a womyn inside it's more like ITT: semantics

[QUOTE=NoDachi;38078307]You can never base an entire argument over a tiny dictionary definition. Especially over a word that needs to be described in an entire essay. Ultimately, it makes you look stupid and lack any intellectual seriousness.[/QUOTE] Whatever. Keep changing definitions to suit your needs, I won't stop you.

[QUOTE=sp00ks;38078164]yo, r/feminism is mainly run by misogynists[/QUOTE] I don't visit it much what about r/actuallesbians

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38078358]Whatever. Keep changing definitions to suit your needs, I won't stop you.[/QUOTE] Isn't that ironic considering you're the one bringing up very specific definitions to ~suit your needs~

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38078358]Whatever. Keep changing definitions to suit your needs, I won't stop you.[/QUOTE] you are cherry-picking definitions with no citations to suit your needs

[QUOTE=Dori;38078332]that is not the etymological definition. you can't stick to the etymological definition of one word but not the other to suit your (weak) argument[/QUOTE] I'm not sticking to the 'etymological' definition, I'm sticking to the dictionary's definition, how is that so hard to understand?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;38078200]Except your point is flawed because it doesn't represent anything at a social or cultural level where most of it actually exists.[/QUOTE] Uh, what does even mean? Take a man who treats women equally. A woman who he has never met before starts discriminating him because of his gender. Now according to people like you that's not sexism because of what a large amount of his fellow men have done and what a large amount of the women's fellow women have suffered. (btw isn't that the definition of generalisation?) Ultimately, all discrimination happens on an individual level. Why should innocent people bear the implications of the actions of other members of their group? Yes that does happen, but it's not a desired side affect of society and it directly goes against our ideals of fairness and equality

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38078372]I don't visit it much what about r/actuallesbians[/QUOTE] "93% of people actually believe this!"

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38078391]I'm not sticking to the 'etymological' definition, I'm sticking to the dictionary's definition, how is that so hard to understand?[/QUOTE] because you're taking it absolutely literally and that's where you're poking holes in what you're trying to argue

[QUOTE=NoDachi;38078377]Isn't that ironic considering you're the one bringing up very specific definitions to ~suit your needs~[/QUOTE] I'm not. I'm sticking to one set definition to go by, which is the fucking dictionary. I'm not changing anything to suit my needs. You and dori keep arguing that there is no difference between sexism and misogyny whilst using a different definition of misogyny than the dictionary provides me.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38078391]I'm not sticking to the 'etymological' definition, I'm sticking to the dictionary's definition, how is that so hard to understand?[/QUOTE] But you understand that stub dictionaries that you keep posting are not for the basis of arguments but simply as little reminders for people looking up words? You [B]can't[/B] base an argument on it. You just end up looking inept, incompetent, deficient in intellectual seriousness, and reflective of an insufficient commitment to the pursuit of truth.

sexism is broad. misogyny is specific. you can't say "misogyny is sexism, misogyny doesn't exist" because that makes no sense at all linguistically

[QUOTE=Ownederd;38078401]because you're taking it absolutely literally and that's where you're poking holes in what you're trying to argue[/QUOTE] Dori is playing down misogyny from hatred towards women to 'negative attitudes' and claiming that sexism and misogyny are the very same thing. I disagree, misogyny is very much worse than sexism.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38078460]Dori is playing down misogyny from hatred towards women to 'negative attitudes' and claiming that sexism and misogyny are the very same thing. I disagree, misogyny is very much worse than sexism.[/QUOTE] what?

[QUOTE=Dori;38078448]sexism is broad. misogyny is specific. you can't say "misogyny is sexism, misogyny doesn't exist" because that makes no sense at all linguistically[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that, I'm saying that you're wrong in saying that sexism and misogyny are the same thing and that no one should care what the difference is.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38078422]You and dori keep arguing that there is no difference between sexism and misogyny whilst using a different definition of misogyny than the dictionary provides me.[/QUOTE] You'll notice I've not even stated opinion or argument. I'm only picking up on people who post blatantly incorrect stuff, or provide flawed arguments.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38078480]I'm not saying that, I'm saying that you're wrong in saying that sexism and misogyny are the same thing and that no one should care what the difference is.[/QUOTE] quote the post where I said that tia

[QUOTE=NoDachi;38078485]You'll notice I've not even stated opinion or argument. I'm only picking up on people who post blatantly incorrect stuff, or provide flawed arguments.[/QUOTE] Yes, I just couldn't be bothered to change the post after I found that out. [editline]17th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Dori;38078488]quote the post where I said that tia[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dori;38077762]ok explain to me the difference between sexism and misogyny and why anybody but deluded MRAs should care[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dori;38078039]no dude I'm pretty sure that negative attitudes toward and oppression of the female sex and gender is misogyny[/QUOTE]

Ok ok, I figured out the argument. We're arguing that sexism again women is misogyny, so if you're sexist against a woman, you're also being misogynistic. The talking point is whether or not misogyny instantly includes sexism or if it's just purely hatred of women. Is that correct?

[QUOTE=BloodYScar;38076740]Everything against women is misogynist. Just how everything against black people is racist. Butthurt society.[/QUOTE] You're an idiot. [editline]17th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers2;38077441]You're reinforcing sexism by not allowing sexism to exist at the other side. Same with misogyny/misandry.[/QUOTE] "those who point out sexism are the real sexists!!!"

Oh good, Max has joined the shitshow. This can only lead to good things. :v: