Australian dictionary has changed its definition of misogyny to to mean 'entrenched prejudice agains - Polidicks

that fucking news post looked like a badage boys thread with only women

[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;38080061]RobbL, stop. You're making the side you're fighting for look completely fucking retarded, even when there are legitimate points to make. I'm not going to get involved in this, but please just stop.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I shouldn't have gotten carried away getting mad with Dori really

[QUOTE=RobbL;38080360]Sorry, I shouldn't have gotten carried away getting mad with Dori really[/QUOTE] why did you let emotions come into play in a debate in the first place dude

[QUOTE=Ownederd;38080369]why did you let emotions come into play in a debate in the first place dude[/QUOTE] I've been pissed off before with Dori being a dick on people's profiles and then acting like he's the better one, just thought it was relevant to point it out here. Which I probably shouldn't have done. Plus i've currently got severe tinnitus, which isn't putting me in the best of moods to be fair

[QUOTE=RobbL;38080344] Basically, people are only affected by what they experience first-hand [/QUOTE] BULLSHIT i'm affected by shit that happens in some banking system somewhere, women are affected by what happens in Washington D.C. you can't tell me women aren't affected by the glass ceiling which knocks their salary down. the reason words work is because they carry meaning. this should be obvious but i guess i have to explain it. the reason why "nigger" is an insult is because it has a meaning. it's used in a context that historically black people associate with "FUCK WE'RE GOING TO DIE. just because less black people die now doesn't mean that this association disappears. this is how language works. we still use words that carry their meanings from centuries ago. the same applies to insults given to women. we consider them less severe because the meaning is less severe. calling a man a slut carries a wildly different connotation and meaning from calling a woman a slut simply by historical context. so no, saying "people are only affected by what they experience first-hand " is complete and utter bullshit. i still am affected by the holocaust simply because my entire family carries it as an experience. the only reason Israel exists is due to the widespread support given to Zionism after the holocaust, which means Palestinians are affected by the holocaust. [QUOTE=RobbL;38080344] I know that women have and do suffer more because of sexual discrimination, and I know that people are the result of of history and everyone previous to them. That's not really what I was talking about.[/QUOTE] it should be what you are talking about.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38076860]men generally don't call other men "ugly cows" as an insult because "cow", like "bitch", is a gender specific term [IMG]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-ssh.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE] As is faggot. What's your point?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38076860]men generally don't call other men "ugly cows" as an insult because "cow", like "bitch", is a gender specific term [IMG]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-ssh.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE] "Look at the state of that fat, ugly [b]bastard[/b], I wouldn't touch him with yours,"

[QUOTE=dass;38078560]You know what I think? I think the whole world has a stick up its ass. Some day, you wont be able to say a single negative think about someone without them calling you worse than Hitler.[/QUOTE] yeah!! earlier today i called out this nigger in public and everyone around me got mad. wtf, right. they all just have sticks up their asses, i tell ya. stop blaming the whole world for how shitty you act towards others.

[QUOTE=Strider*;38083393]As is faggot. What's your point?[/QUOTE] um you shouldn't call people faggots either dude

[QUOTE=Dori;38083755]um you shouldn't call people faggots either dude[/QUOTE] Not my point in the slightest.

[QUOTE=Strider*;38083806]Not my point in the slightest.[/QUOTE] what is your point and why should anybody care

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;38079426]Wow, this thread took a turn for the worse.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Patriarch;38079651]My god this thread is so god damn stupid and you should all contemplate suicide.[/QUOTE] Usually whenever people make posts like these it's because their side of the argument is losing, but they don't have the courage to make an argument of their own so they just flat-out insult everyone in the thread instead in the inane hope that no one calls them out on their bullshit.

[QUOTE=God's Pimp Hand;38084436]Usually whenever people make posts like these it's because their side of the argument is losing, but they don't have the courage to make an argument of their own so they just flat-out insult everyone in the thread instead in the inane hope that no one calls them out on their bullshit.[/QUOTE] Nobody wins in these threads. It's just throwing the same arguments at each other over and over again without anybody actually changing their mind.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;38086693]Nobody wins in these threads. It's just throwing the same arguments at each other over and over again without anybody actually changing their mind.[/QUOTE] Most arguments like this get nowhere in my opinion because people that I typically met who say sexist or racial slurs are not actually racist or sexist but just hate that individual and are trying to say the worst thing to piss them off, which usually works and sometimes ends up pretty hilarious. Saying a racist word doesn't automatically make you hate people of other ethnics and makes you a KKK member swastika bearing racist. And saying a sexist word doesn't automatically make you a woman beating male of a problem of : "entrenched and prejudiced against women". Simmer the fuck down and stop fearing or getting stopped by words. (not you per say doom, just everyone in general)

[QUOTE=Dori;38083815]what is your point and why should anybody care[/QUOTE] Exactly what I think about all your posts.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;38086693]Nobody wins in these threads. It's just throwing the same arguments at each other over and over again without anybody actually changing their mind.[/QUOTE] Mostly because people here don't argue in a respectful matter and instead of adressing an argument they insult the person personally.

[QUOTE=thisispain;38080713]BULLSHIT i'm affected by shit that happens in some banking system somewhere, women are affected by what happens in Washington D.C. you can't tell me women aren't affected by the glass ceiling which knocks their salary down. the reason words work is because they carry meaning. this should be obvious but i guess i have to explain it. the reason why "nigger" is an insult is because it has a meaning. it's used in a context that historically black people associate with "FUCK WE'RE GOING TO DIE. just because less black people die now doesn't mean that this association disappears. this is how language works. we still use words that carry their meanings from centuries ago. the same applies to insults given to women. we consider them less severe because the meaning is less severe. calling a man a slut carries a wildly different connotation and meaning from calling a woman a slut simply by historical context. so no, saying "people are only affected by what they experience first-hand " is complete and utter bullshit. i still am affected by the holocaust simply because my entire family carries it as an experience. the only reason Israel exists is due to the widespread support given to Zionism after the holocaust, which means Palestinians are affected by the holocaust. [/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure you (and a few others) are just not quite understanding me. When I say "first hand experiences" I don't necessarily mean the original event physically happening in front of you, what happens is the original events/actions of other people cause implications that are felt further down the line "first hand". Now this isn't the same as experiencing the original event is basically what i'm saying. Take your example- a stock market crash plays a part in setting up an experience that affects someone (bankruptcy perhaps, or even something more indirect like paranoia that causes the individual to take actions that negatively affect them), but it doesn't affect them beyond that individual experience Now back on topic, take a man and a woman who are both being sexually discriminated on an equal level (the 'set up' experience). Just how is the discrimination the woman is experiencing more severe because women as a whole are subject to it more, when both the man and the woman experiencing the exact same discriminatory actions? That's not equality last time I checked and it's not fair on the man, that's what i'm trying to get at here The experiences of other women have a bearing on the likelyhood and magnitude of the discrimination the women suffers, but once the actual individual experience is 'set up', the experiences of other women don't have any affect beyond that Hence the "first hand experiences" When someone has an action taken against them you judge the severity of it based on what they as an individual experienced first hand, not what other members of their group have experienced Sorry i'm just not the best at explaining things, but I hope i've worded it better this time

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38076922]Besides, I've never ever heard of 'cow' being a gender specific insult.[/QUOTE] how much is the rent for giant fuckin rocks these days

[QUOTE=dass;38078560]You know what I think? I think the whole world has a stick up its ass. Some day, you wont be able to say a single negative think about someone without them calling you worse than Hitler.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/i7vhg.png[/IMG]

OP felt like I was reading a Badage Boys thread.

[QUOTE=RobbL;38087309]I'm pretty sure you (and a few others) are just not quite understanding me. When I say "first hand experiences" I don't mean the original event physically happening in front of you, what happens is the original events/actions of other people cause implications that are felt further down the line "first hand". Now this isn't the same as experiencing the original event is basically what i'm saying. Take your example- a stock market crash plays a part in setting up an experience that affects someone (bankruptcy perhaps, or even something more indirect like paranoia that casuses the individual to take actions that negatively affect them), but it doesn't affect them beyond that individual experience Now back on topic, take a man and a woman who are both being sexually discriminated on an equal level (the 'set up' experience). Just how is the discrimination the woman is experiencing more severe because women as a whole are subject to it more, when both the man and the woman experiencing the exact same discriminatory actions? That's not equality last time I checked and it's not fair on the man, that's what i'm trying to get at here The experiences of other women have a bearing on the likelyhood and magnitude of the discrimination the women suffers, but once the actual individual experience is 'set up', the experiences of other women don't have any affect beyond that Hence the "first hand experiences" When someone has an action taken against them you judge the severity of it based on what they as an individual experienced first hand, not what other members of their group have experienced Sorry i'm just not the best at explaining things, but I hope i've worded it better this time[/QUOTE] I'm sure I've mentioned this before in similar threads, but I'll say it again because it's a real-life example of what your talking about. I've got a male friend who's trained in childcare, but he can't get a job. A couple of jobs he's gone for have been given to somebody better suited than him, that's just the way things go. But some were obviously given to the best qualified woman, rather than the best qualified person. (In one case he later found out that they had to wait around for several weeks for a female candidate to turn up, so that they wouldn't have to let a [del]obvious paedophile[/del] man into their daycare centre) If he mentions this to anybody, he's branded as being sexist or misogynistic: Just a case of sour grapes. "He got turned down and blames it on sexism, rather than admitting that a woman was better qualified". But if you swap it around to a woman trying to get into a male-dominated role, then she'd have a case to take somebody to court for sexual discrimination. Should he feel fine about all this, because women generally have it worse? It's all fine if you're talking about hypothetical cases, you can quite rightly say "Well, in general it doesn't happen like that...". But individual cases aren't all the same as the general state of things.

[QUOTE=st0rmforce;38087938]I'm sure I've mentioned this before in similar threads, but I'll say it again because it's a real-life example of what your talking about. I've got a male friend who's trained in childcare, but he can't get a job. A couple of jobs he's gone for have been given to somebody better suited than him, that's just the way things go. But some were obviously given to the best qualified woman, rather than the best qualified person. (In one case he later found out that they had to wait around for several weeks for a female candidate to turn up, so that they wouldn't have to let a [del]obvious paedophile[/del] man into their daycare centre) If he mentions this to anybody, he's branded as being sexist or misogynistic: Just a case of sour grapes. "He got turned down and blames it on sexism, rather than admitting that a woman was better qualified". But if you swap it around to a woman trying to get into a male-dominated role, then she'd have a case to take somebody to court for sexual discrimination. Should he feel fine about all this, because women generally have it worse? It's all fine if you're talking about hypothetical cases, you can quite rightly say "Well, in general it doesn't happen like that...". But individual cases aren't all the same as the general state of things.[/QUOTE] I know a few people here would probably respond to that by saying "it's just misogyny biting men in the ass", but the problem is this individual man has no responsibility for the misogyny of the male population as a whole and he's being treated unequally as if that were actually true. The mindset that i'm seeing assumes that women are always victims and men are always the offenders and fails to realise that a lot of women are stronger and more capable than a lot of men, and vice-versa. You can't treat people based on how their group behave or are treated overall, that's the very definition of generalisation. [QUOTE]But individual cases aren't all the same as the general state of things.[/QUOTE] That's a nice simple way of putting it all

Just because something is generally true doesn't mean it should be treated as always true, so I do think every case should be treated individually and not assume that the person will always be stronger or weaker based on what their group is like on average.

[QUOTE=RobbL;38088462]I know a few people here would probably respond to that by saying "it's just misogyny biting men in the ass", but the problem is this individual man has no responsibility for the misogyny of the male population as a whole and he's being treated unequally as if that were actually true. The mindset that i'm seeing assumes that women are always victims and men are always the offenders and fails to realise that a lot of women are stronger and more capable than a lot of men, and vice-versa. You can't treat people based on how their group behave or are treated overall, that's the very definition of generalisation. That's a nice simple way of putting it all[/QUOTE] are you arguing that misogyny doesnt exist on a societal level

[QUOTE=Bobie;38089245]are you arguing that misogyny doesnt exist on a societal level[/QUOTE] I have no idea how you got that out of my post...

[QUOTE=wraithcat;38077540]CIs privilege is a relatively newly commonly used term denoting people who have apparent privileges of having the body gender they identify as well. Aka the majority of the population.[/QUOTE] It's used on tumblr a lot.