Smoking set to be banned nationwide in the Philippines - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51190139]uh yes it will, smoke contains carcinogens regardless of how much you take in.[/QUOTE] Yeah but smelling cigarette smoke while walking down the street is not going to give you cancer. I can understand not liking the smell of cigarette smoke, and I can understand that it's not good for people with asthma, but it's not insta-cancer poison that kills you if you catch a whiff.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51190204]adding onto this, you can get physically sick or cough from somebody blowing fag smoke in your direction (i.e secondhand). it's not fun for asthma sufferers at all[/QUOTE] no but you see my FREEDOM is more important than your health

[QUOTE=Naught;51190179]except when you're walking down a crowded street, downwind, and one guy many feet ahead of you is smoking, you are constantly inhaling the smoke. theres no real way to get around that. public smoking is a nuisance and should only be done in private away from other people. the fact that you can potentially get a life threatening disease from someone elses problem isn't cool.[/QUOTE] No its not fucking dangerous, it just smells bad. Look it up. Stanford study from 2007, [url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17518219]link.[/url] It's within 2 m that tobacco smoke becomes a problem, assuming no wind and a semi-enclosed area. [editline]12th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Headhumpy;51190329]no but you see my FREEDOM is more important than your health[/QUOTE] There aren't any health effects. If you're that close to a smoker you're probably friends so how about asking them to put it out? Yeah, it smells like shit. I get it. Worry about car pollution giving you lung cancer, it's going to be more of a problem than me having a smoke a few meters away.

[QUOTE=The Aussie;51190336]No its not fucking dangerous, it just smells bad. Look it up. Stanford study from 2007, [url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17518219]link.[/url] It's within 2 m that tobacco smoke becomes a problem, assuming no wind and a semi-enclosed area. [editline]12th October 2016[/editline] There aren't any health effects. If you're that close to a smoker you're probably friends so how about asking them to put it out? Yeah, it smells like shit. I get it. Worry about car pollution giving you lung cancer, it's going to be more of a problem than me having a smoke a few meters away.[/QUOTE] Besides piles of studies showing the deleterious effects of secondhand smoke, Sobotnik also [i]literally[/i] just explained why there are additional health effects for certain groups of people with respiratory issues. Your shitty habit [I]is[/I] affecting others, please stop being so wilfully ignorant. Thanks.

You know, it wouldn't be so bad if the people advocating this weren't such condescending cunts. [editline]11th October 2016[/editline] "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51190139] uh yes it will, smoke contains carcinogens regardless of how much you take in.[/QUOTE] So does air, from exhaust due to cars. I'm not saying that secondhand smoke isn't bad for you, but think about it- it takes a lot of smoking to cause health issues (as in, you need to smoke for a long time) and when you're sucking smoke in directly from the source you get all sorts of other nasty things associated with it (heavier gasses that would fall instead of rising get sucked right in, it's incredibly hot, etc). You being around a smoker occasionally won't expose you to 1/100th of the smoke that said smoker inhales every single minute, due to diffusion of particles into the air. Plus, there's this study [url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/12/12/study-finds-no-link-between-secondhand-smoke-and-cancer/#25b2168a623f[/url]

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51190372]Besides piles of studies showing the deleterious effects of secondhand smoke, Sobotnik also [i]literally[/i] just explained why there are additional health effects for certain groups of people with respiratory issues. Your shitty habit [I]is[/I] affecting others, please stop being so wilfully ignorant. Thanks.[/QUOTE] You're the one being wilfully ignorant. How about instead of glossing over a paper from one of the most respected universities in the world you actually read it and tell me why that study is wrong. Its been peer reviewed so i'd really like to see you try. Outdoor second handsmoke isn't harmful at a distance of more than two meters, and simply falls to background levels of pollutants. I'm honestly not sure what sobotnik means by "physically sick" either.

[QUOTE=Saturn V;51187049]oh yeah lets just fucking ban it all, ignoring the fact that a lot of people simply can't fucking quit [editline]11th October 2016[/editline] there is no fucking difference drugs are drugs[/QUOTE] No one said to ban smoking prohibition-style, just in public places. Actually wait I changed my mind, I LOVE walking down the street and walking through a cloud of smoke from a group of people smoking in public, gets me going I tell ya. [editline]12th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=daigennki;51187236]I do not like people who smoke but I think this is taking it too far and this guy is still crazy. Only allowing smoking indoors will only increase the chances of being harmed by second hand smoking. If somebody wants to smoke, go ahead, they can harm their own body if they really want to, but please not near others. Designated smoking areas OUTSIDE buildings would be great, and not right near where everybody walks. I hear that smokers in our country have "good manners"... but that only means that they are smoking in the designated areas, which are not very well placed. I have seen a few that are right beside large sidewalks where lots of people walk, and it seems completely pointless, it smells like shit every time I walk by them... Same with these "smoking sections" or "smoking rooms" in buildings, you can clearly smell them, and with the latter, a door is pointless when there are lots of people going in and out...[/QUOTE] it's not just indoors, you can smoke on your property too, maybe if you read what it said you'd know. [editline]12th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;51188470]that's because americans like to waste money on things that don't really provide them any benefit, like healthcare insurance and Mighty Putty!™ or Kaboom!™[/QUOTE] Mighty putty? Kaboom? What

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;51190645]No one said to ban smoking prohibition-style, just in public places. Actually wait I changed my mind, I LOVE walking down the street and walking through a cloud of smoke from a group of people smoking in public, gets me going I tell ya. [editline]12th October 2016[/editline] it's not just indoors, you can smoke on your property too, maybe if you read what it said you'd know. [editline]12th October 2016[/editline] Mighty putty? Kaboom? What[/QUOTE] You don't have to love it as much as realize other people have freedoms too.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;51188047]The state has every right to tell you what you can or can't put in your body when they're the ones spending resources on treating cancers and other diseases caused by smoking or any other damaging addiction, you can smoke yourself to death for all I care as long as you don't go running to the NHS expecting them to treat you, thankfully we're now slowly moving in the direction where you will be forced to wait for treatment.[/QUOTE] Being from the UK and not caring if people smoke themselves to death, you should be happy that people keep smoking, in fact you should probably encourage it. Considering it brings in 13 billion pounds and only costs 3-6 billion a year to the NHS. That's just the UK. Here in Australia it's going to cost $40 for a 20 pack soon, the government is making so much money off smoking it's a key part of their budget plan. Maybe in the Phillipines it's different because a lot of SEA countries have super cheap prices for cigarettes but I doubt their healthcare is universal so...

[QUOTE=The Aussie;51190538]You're the one being wilfully ignorant. How about instead of glossing over a paper from one of the most respected universities in the world you actually read it and tell me why that study is wrong. Its been peer reviewed so i'd really like to see you try. Outdoor second handsmoke isn't harmful at a distance of more than two meters, and simply falls to background levels of pollutants. I'm honestly not sure what sobotnik means by "physically sick" either.[/QUOTE] Impact factor 0.98 in the year it was published, not exactly a very reputable journal. That aside, the methodology used is iffy, they basically visited public spaces, recorded whether or not people were smoking, and then recorded particulate levels. On the other hand, they did conduct several experiments in a controlled area as well so I guess I'll let that slide. In any case, the data obtained showed that in outdoor areas, particulate levels spiked when "microplumes" of cigarette smoke impinged on the detectors, akin to a smoker blowing smoke in your face. This happens in particular when wind blows the cigarette smoke in a particular direction. To quote the article itself: [quote]Our results demonstrate that OTS can be high duringperiods of smoking in locations where persons arenear active smokers. Therefore, it is possible for OTS topresent a nuisance or hazard under certain conditions.Examples of scenarios where OTS levels might be highinclude eating dinner with a smoker on an outdoorpatio, sitting at a table next to a smoker at a sidewalkcafé, sitting next to a smoker on a park bench, orstanding near a smoker outside a building. Childrenwho accompany a smoking parent or guardian mayexperience substantial exposure. Outdoor restaurant orpub workers who spend a significant portion of theirtime within a few feet of active smokers are also likelyto receive relatively large total OTS exposures over thecourse of a day, possibly exceeding the EPA 24-hrhealth standard for fine particles.[/quote] In other words, the paper directly contradicts what you say. This is known as shooting yourself in the foot. I feel like you didn't actually read the whole paper and just saw the abstract, homed in on the sentence that supported your preconceived notions, and called it a day. To avoid embarrassment in the future, I recommend reading your sources to see if they actually support what you say.

[QUOTE=Megadave;51190695]You don't have to love it as much as realize other people have freedoms too.[/QUOTE] Smoking around others in public, especially people that have breathing/lung problems isn't good, and i dont like smelling like stinky ass cigarette smoke, sorry.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51190720]Impact factor 0.98 in the year it was published, not exactly a very reputable journal. That aside, the methodology used is iffy, they basically visited public spaces, recorded whether or not people were smoking, and then recorded particulate levels. On the other hand, they did conduct several experiments in a controlled area as well so I guess I'll let that slide. In any case, the data obtained showed that in outdoor areas, particulate levels spiked when "microplumes" of cigarette smoke impinged on the detectors, akin to a smoker blowing smoke in your face. This happens in particular when wind blows the cigarette smoke in a particular direction. To quote the article itself: In other words, the paper directly contradicts what you say. This is known as shooting yourself in the foot. I feel like you didn't actually read the whole paper and just saw the abstract, homed in on the sentence that supported your preconceived notions, and called it a day. To avoid embarrassment in the future, I recommend reading your sources to see if they actually support what you say.[/QUOTE] You literally just quoted a paragraph that suppots what i say? [editline]12th October 2016[/editline] What the fuck are you trying to say. Here's what im saying, second hand smoking isn't dangerous in open air. If you decide to go close to a smoker, and say, eat a meal or sit with them on a bench, then it is, but significantly less than actually smoking. Furthermore, if you're in that situation, you are willing putting yourself in harms way. On another note, I've read the report before so i didn't feel the need to reread it.

Singapore has done this for a while now. But when duterte does it everyone goes wild? Jesus. EDIT: as a non smoker i fully support this but my view on this may be biased so i asked my smoker friends on how they feel about this suprisingly all of them said its about time the government did this some of them even said that this maybe the push they need to stop smoking all together.

[QUOTE=Zekkei;51191237]Singapore has done this for a while now. But when duterte does it everyone goes wild? Jesus. EDIT: as a non smoker i fully support this but my view on this may be biased so i asked my smoker friends on how they feel about this suprisingly all of them said its about time the government did this some of them even said that this maybe the push they need to stop smoking all together.[/QUOTE] The difference is Duterte is still fresh in our minds. Trust us, we will get to Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, all those brutal Southeast Asian countries.

[QUOTE=Megadave;51192015]The difference is Duterte is still fresh in our minds. Trust us, we will get to Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, all those brutal Southeast Asian countries.[/QUOTE] Will we though? Western news probably only gives a fuck about what duterte does because of the inflammatory shit he says and does regarding the US. Since that's pretty much the only kind of "tyranny" we care about regarding foreign affairs - it makes for a nice bad guy to get some nice ad revenue from.

This is probably one of the few things Duterte has done that I and most of my friends (even the smokers) actually support. I have a history of asthma and I have to deal with random people smoking in front of me all the damn time. [b]A lot[/b] of people here are inconsiderate and smoke fucking everywhere. I've lost count on how many times I've had to get out of my way to get in front of someone just because they started smoking while walking on a crowded sidewalk.

[QUOTE=The Aussie;51191212]You literally just quoted a paragraph that suppots what i say? [editline]12th October 2016[/editline] What the fuck are you trying to say. Here's what im saying, second hand smoking isn't dangerous in open air. If you decide to go close to a smoker, and say, eat a meal or sit with them on a bench, then it is, but significantly less than actually smoking. Furthermore, if you're in that situation, you are willing putting yourself in harms way. On another note, I've read the report before so i didn't feel the need to reread it.[/QUOTE] The context of this conversation is being downwind of a smoker where their smoke is directly contacting you. We're not talking about the average particle levels of an entire area, we're talking about a concentrated area (your face) that smoke is running into. Their tests showed that when a smoker did that, the particulate levels spiked, even at a distance greater than 2m. Being in a public place isn't "willing putting yourself in harms way." By smoking in a public place, [b]you[/b] are putting [b]others[/b] in harm's way. It is your decision to smoke, and it is your decision to cause others to come in contact with your second-hand smoke.

I'm a smoker and I'm okay with indoor bans and public outdoor bans,what my city does is ban smoking within 25 feet of public buildings besides the indoor bans. I know I'm one of the very,very few that don't throw my butts wherever and I will put my cigs out if asked. Start that obviously fake coughing though and I still will but I'll think you're a passive aggressive chicken,just ask me please. This guy though has murdered a shit ton of people so it makes me not okay with anything he does almost on principle.

[QUOTE=phygon;51190112]Ours aren't but in countries where healthcare is publicized it's another story. You have to remember that most other countries bear the burden of everyone's shitty decisions and they are effectively charged for it- it's the downside of national healthcare.[/QUOTE] Heh. [quote]"The average hip replacement in the USA costs $40,364. In Spain, it costs $7,371. That means I can literally fly to Spain, live in Madrid for 2 years, learn Spanish, run with the bulls, get trampled, get my hip replaced again, and fly home for less than the cost of a hip replacement in the US."[/quote] Well looking at the above, Id rather have the downside of paying for someone’s shitty decision (and 20 people’s healthy decisions, but just bad luck). Then whatever your system is. It seems to me that sharing the burden between everyone means that the overall price of healthcare goes down. As for every cancer stricken, blind, cripple 90 year old person that is in the hospital 24/7. There are 10 young healthy people paying for him. Making healthcare very cheap. Secondly, because everyone has insurance, the insurance companies have great power in bringing down the price of healthcare. Ive never seen a commercial advertising drugs here: “Ask your doctor about: _________”. What? My health insurance is 89€ a month. Which includes almost everything except stuff like unneeded plastic surgery, alternative medicine or overall unneeded stuff. [editline]14th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=SpaceGhost;51191029]Smoking around others in public, especially people that have breathing/lung problems isn't good, and i dont like smelling like stinky ass cigarette smoke, sorry.[/QUOTE] I dont like negative whiny people. You make my blood pressure rise which causes hearth problems. Government, please ban people being negative on the internet and revoke health insurance for SpaceGhost. Thanks.

[QUOTE=taipan;51201474]I dont like negative whiny people. You make my blood pressure rise which causes hearth problems[/QUOTE] That's probably the Nicotine bruh. Stop getting your knickers in a twist over somebody not liking a habit that has no real benefits outside of "it calms me down". I've lived with smokers all my life until about 6 or so years ago when they all just quit (thanks e-cigs!), that shit stinks, even when you're around it regularly. Smokers don't tend to notice how fucking obnoxious that scent is because you've deadened yourself to it.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51202194]That's probably the Nicotine bruh. Stop getting your knickers in a twist over somebody not liking a habit that has no real benefits outside of "it calms me down". I've lived with smokers all my life until about 6 or so years ago when they all just quit (thanks e-cigs!), that shit stinks, even when you're around it regularly. Smokers don't tend to notice how fucking obnoxious that scent is because you've deadened yourself to it.[/QUOTE] I lived with smokers for 22 years. And during that time, did not smoke myself. Currently I only smoke a bit during the weekends. You are way over exaggerating. yes people who smoke a pack a day smell. But most smokers dont smoke a pack a day. I do get my knickers in a twist about people claiming catching a whiff of smoke while walking outside causes cancer or is somehow the worst thing ever and should be banned. Because OMG I have a right to not smell anything I dont like ever. Which is hilarious considering the 24/7 pollution your breathe in while living in a town or city. But you dont tend to notice how obnoxious this smell is because you have been deadened by it. Yes people should not smoke on a terras while people are eating nearby. Yes people should not light up a cigarette at a packed bus stop while its raining, Yes people should not smoke in area's where bystanders have nowhere to go. However these is just common decency, and should not be enforced by making it illegal.