Clinton: Trump campaign built on 'prejudice and paranoia' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Foda;50948883]gunna invoke godwin's law here and say that you'd rather vote for someone who would promise genocide? also trump has lied a bunch and pivoted on almost all of his issues. he pivoted on immigration just today![/QUOTE] assuming you're doing the trump = hitler thing here, has trump ever promised genocide?

[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;50948978]Do you genuinely think he's going to build a wall or ban Muslims? Only a dictator would get away with shit like that. The US is still a democracy.....kind of.[/QUOTE] the fact that he's even run on it as a policy promise means that people [B]DO GENUINELY BELIEVE THIS[/B] and will be genuinely upset when/if he doesn't I honestly want to understand how you parse this shit out in your brain. He lies about shit to get popular, you're okay with that, no matter how bad the lies are.

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[QUOTE=Dissolution;50947971]So you do not deny that Hillary's campaign is built on corruption and illegality?[/QUOTE] No and no. They're both shit and we're all fucked.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50948997]He lies about shit to get popular, you're okay with that, no matter how bad the lies are.[/QUOTE] so does everyone else. promises are made to get elected, then some of them are acted upon. i'm still waiting for obama to repeal every bush law.

[QUOTE=Pops;50949018]so does everyone else. promises are made to get elected, then some of them are acted upon. i'm still waiting for obama to repeal every bush law.[/QUOTE] Obama explicitly promised he was "Going to repeal every bush law?" Source? Citation? Anything? So, he runs on the story of a wall, you guys are okay with that because you just see it as one big lie, worthy of electing Trump. Okay, why. What reasoning do you have for that

[QUOTE=Pops;50948787]and if you think the democrats will allow trump to do anything, you're severely mistaken. we're basically bound to get a slight reversal of the last few years, where you had republicans in the house blocking a democrat president, only for him to rely on executive orders. now, if trump wins, we'll get a democratic congress blocking a republican president, only for him to rely on executive orders.[/QUOTE] Why would I bother taking that gamble when I can just elect a Democrat president lol.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50949023]Obama explicitly promised he was "Going to repeal every bush law?" Source? Citation? Anything? So, he runs on the story of a wall, you guys are okay with that because you just see it as one big lie, worthy of electing Trump. Okay, why. What reasoning do you have for that[/QUOTE] hm, can't seem to find it. well, on the other hand, here's a video of obama promising not to use executive orders [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3IWq3CXHyc[/media]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50949064]Why would I bother taking that gamble when I can just elect a Democrat president lol.[/QUOTE] Clinton's hardly a democrat.

[QUOTE=Pops;50949018]so does everyone else. promises are made to get elected, then some of them are acted upon. i'm still waiting for obama to repeal every bush law.[/QUOTE] Okay sure my problem with this though is that you aren't being fair in your apathy by assuming that Clinton is lying about Good Things she will do and will actually do Bad Things while Trump is lying about Bad Things and will actually accomplish Good Things. Either both candidates are liars and that's okay or both candidates are liars and it's not okay, you can't pick and chose just because you don't like Clinton. [editline]25th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;50949072]Clinton's hardly a democrat.[/QUOTE] No True Scotsman would be democratically chosen as the head of the Scots :what:

[QUOTE=King of Limbs;50948835]I would take someone who tells me straight up what he believes in (regardless of how out there crazy it is) then someone who CONTINUES TO LIE AND CHEAT her way through the government. I'm not saying you have to vote for trump, but DO NOT vote for Hillary. The evidence it clear, its abundant and its a gross misuse of our government and her assets in the Foundation. "Pay to Play" is not what a president should be. That is a disgusting precedent she set up for the State Office and one that should never move in to the Oval Office. Trump has always been out right in his beliefs and has never backed away from a challenge this campaign. Sure he is not a politician, hes not well spoke, not well groomed, and hell he might make a horrible president, but at least he would do everything he could to be the best president he could be without having to use the dark political assets we know oh so well from the Clinton's. From White Water to the White House to Now they have continual shown their disapproval for the laws and regulations demanded of them from holding high office. If you don't want to vote for Trump, vote for Gary Johnson. It is NOT wasting your vote. You are giving credence to a third party that the United States desperately needs and will allow their funding to increase next election. If we do not start actively changing the political landscape now this is what you will have for decades to come. One hand is Corruption and Lies, the other is Brutal and Extreme. If Hillary ran against any other candidate she would have had to resign her campaign by now. This is just all so sad to see unfold.[/QUOTE] There are two possiblities for who will win the 2016 presidential election. Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. Gary Johnson has no feasible chance of winning. Voting for him will not have any impact on who wins this presidential election. If your objective in the 2016 presidential election is to cast your vote in accordance with what you think will result in the best possible 2016 president being elected given the current political climate, then your choice is between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. In my opinion, the things Donald Trump has done and promised to do are far worse than what Hillary Clinton has done or promised to do. There is no compelling evidence to suggest that Hillary Clinton will do anything as bad or worse than what Trump has promised to do. This is something you could debate, but my point is that if you want to get the best possible president into the white house in 2016, at this point it 100% comes down to whether you think Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton is a better president. If you think Clinton is better than Trump, voting for Gary Johnson or Stein or something is voting in a way that is not in your best interests, at the very least as far as this next presidential term is concerned.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50949073]Okay sure my problem with this though is that you aren't being fair in your apathy by assuming that Clinton is lying about Good Things she will do and will actually do Bad Things while Trump is lying about Bad Things and will actually accomplish Good Things. Either both candidates are liars and that's okay or both candidates are liars and it's not okay, you can't pick and chose just because you don't like Clinton. [editline]25th August 2016[/editline] No True Scotsman would be democratically chosen as the head of the Scots :what:[/QUOTE] did i say it was okay for trump to be a liar? no, i said he was the lesser of two evils. i'd like to believe that some day, american politicians can run on actual things they would get accomplished, or would at least try to do so.

It's a shame that fear sells in politics. An Australian politician, Pauline Hanson, has been doing the same thing for ages; first it was provoking fear of 'Aboriginals taking our land and money', then it was an 'Asian invasion' of Australia, now it's a 'Muslim invasion' of Australia. But it's a real shame that there aren't many politicians who [i]don't[/i] resort to the politics of fear. Trump's campaign is based on fear, Clinton uses fear against Trump, the Liberal Party here uses fear, the Labor Party here uses fear [i]a lot[/i], etc. Even Sanders used fear somewhat.

[QUOTE=Pops;50949085]did i say it was okay for trump to be a liar? no, i said he was the lesser of two evils. i'd like to believe that some day, american politicians can run on actual things they would get accomplished, or would at least try to do so.[/QUOTE] The problem is that the bulk of governance, and almost the entirety of domestic policy outside some aspects of enforcement, have to go through Congress which is designed to be as dysfunctional as possible. You will never have a President achieve 100% of their promises even if they were perfect altruists incapable of lying or misleading. Also you aren't saying it's okay for Trump to be a liar, you are just saying it's [I]more [/I]okay for him to lie than Clinton, because reasons. His lies are less egregious. [editline]25th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=sb27;50949114]It's a shame that fear sells in politics. An Australian politician, Pauline Hanson, has been doing the same thing for ages; first it was provoking fear of 'Aboriginals taking our land and money', then it was an 'Asian invasion' of Australia, now it's a 'Muslim invasion' of Australia. But it's a real shame that there aren't many politicians who [i]don't[/i] resort to the politics of fear. Clinton used fear against Trump, the Liberal Party here uses fear, the Labor Party here uses fear [i]a lot[/i], etc. Even Sanders used fear somewhat.[/QUOTE] The thing about Clinton using fear of Trump as a campaign strategy though is really just on Trump himself. We truly haven't had such a disgusting party nominee in decades, from either party. [editline]25th August 2016[/editline] Like I'm not voting for Clinton because she or her campaign or Bernie Sanders says I should fear a Trump presidency, I myself believe his presidency would be disastrous for this country.

[QUOTE=Pops;50948992]assuming you're doing the trump = hitler thing here, has trump ever promised genocide?[/QUOTE] no, he has not. but if he did, he's claiming he'd still support him.

[QUOTE=Pops;50949067]hm, can't seem to find it. well, on the other hand, here's a video of obama promising not to use executive orders [/QUOTE] Obama has used less executive orders than any other president within the last 100 years. [URL]http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/01/obama-executive-orders-guns.html[/URL] [URL]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jul/13/beto-orourke/texas-democrat-obama-offered-fewer-executive-actio/[/URL] [URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/barack-obama-executive-orders-immigration_n_6213800[/URL] Why do you think the american congress been in a stalemate for so long?

[QUOTE=wystan;50947921]And hers is built on corruption and illegality.[/QUOTE] I still like hers more than trumps