• Soldiers body identified; killed for being atheist.
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[QUOTE=smeismastger;35137179]The book also says not to judge lest to be judged himself. So many plotholes.[/QUOTE] Reminds me of Mass Effect...
Someone who's clearly got some kind of mental health issue (killing someone over something like this isn't exactly a sane thing to do no matter what you believe) and then blaming it on the victim being atheist. Yeah Green can fucking rot, but he's either completely insane or he's just bringing God into it in an effort to get his sentence lightened because Texas. Good to see you all jumping on the bible bashing bandwagon though.
Christianity is the new Islam. We get a few radicals and suddenly you have people saying the whole thing is wrong and we're all like this. Also pointing out: what he did violates two of the most basic principals of Christianity.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;35135271]watch the media not cover this since atheists are the most distrusted group in America, and many viewers would be turned off or even offended by the story[/QUOTE] here comes the atheist persecution complex, deal with it murders happen all the time, they're terrible and this guy is clearly a nut job, but don't expect some national media outlet to cover this story because you, seemingly, feel it is more important than others. it was already covered locally, as clearly evidenced by the article
RIP Ramirez He defended Burger Town until the very end
Sounds like someone didn't learn their 10 Commandments. Thou shalt not kill.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;35135284]Heh. 'Merica strikes again. [editline]14th March 2012[/editline] Agree[/QUOTE] heh. some dude that clearly has mental problems is obviously representative not only of a state larger than some european countries but the entire country of America.
[QUOTE=G71tc4;35135353]We were reading about this in class the other day because the town is close to us, and this story is more wild than a national article lets on. They brought several friends over multiple times to see the dead body and bullet holes, and even used the dead man's credit card to order pizza.[/QUOTE] So the murder is most likely a psychopath and not some religious zealot? Or what?
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;35138113]here comes the atheist persecution complex, deal with it[/QUOTE] heheheh tell me the next time a christian gets kicked out of their house for being a christian in america
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;35140254]So the murder is most likely a psychopath and not some religious zealot? Or what?[/QUOTE] He ordered fucking pizza and showed it around.
this really does seem to be an america-exclusive thing to be honest. I don't harbour any ill will towards you, bud [editline]14th March 2012[/editline] aw for fuck's sake automerge
Make religion exclusive to smart people, should solve the problem.
[QUOTE=Badunkadunk;35141500]Make religion exclusive to smart people, should solve the problem.[/QUOTE] there are tonnes of smart people who are religious. NOMA [editline]14th March 2012[/editline] people just need to realise that Non Overlapping Magisteria is doublethink
“because Ramirez did not believe in God” [B]and had reached for a gun[/B] Very overlooked in this thread.
[QUOTE=SilverKnight;35142316]“because Ramirez did not believe in God” [B]and had reached for a gun[/B] Very overlooked in this thread.[/QUOTE] Reaching for a gun can be interpreted as many things. Was he planning on shooting the murderer? Was he grabbing it in self defence when he realised the murderer was hostile? Was he just grabbing his gun to go about his business? We won't know because he's dead. And unless there were witnesses, we only have the murderers words to go by. It's being overlooked for a reason, there's nothing to it to make it prove any points.
This is what happens if you have a different opinion in Texas, you get shot in the back by rednecks, hillbillies, or members of the KKK.
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;35138113]here comes the atheist persecution complex, deal with it murders happen all the time, they're terrible and this guy is clearly a nut job, but don't expect some national media outlet to cover this story because you, seemingly, feel it is more important than others. it was already covered locally, as clearly evidenced by the article[/QUOTE] There can't be an atheist persecution complex when atheists are actually persecuted against.
When Green says he reached for a gun, he's citing both the fact he shot an atheist, and it was in self defence. Tell me those two things together aren't enough to get a Texan defence attorney hard. This is looking more and more calculated to me, it's as if he's trying to lessen his sentence as much as possible. It won't get him off the hook, but it's all to make him look more sympathetic to a jury.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;35141468]this really does seem to be an america-exclusive thing to be honest. I don't harbour any ill will towards you, bud [editline]14th March 2012[/editline] aw for fuck's sake automerge[/QUOTE] That's because when you're as large and as widespread as the US military is, you have more bigoted assholes with more opportunities to murder people they don't like. There are cultural factors as well, but size and distribution probably contributes more than anything.
There are extremists of every religion, this is not surprising. This is just like Muslim extremists, but in a different religion. Also, page before had someone say Christianity's deity will only love you if you follow pre-determined laws. That is incorrect, as the Christian Holy Bible states "he loves everyone despite previous or future broken laws".
[QUOTE=Omali;35134975]I would sooner declare my atheism in the middle of a Taliban outpost than in rural Texas. I'm less likely to be shot.[/QUOTE] I got 9 posts through this thread without seeing an idiot pull the Texas card. Stereotypes man, they are awesome aren't they? You're just as intolerant as the guy who pulled the trigger in this article. /clap
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;35144762]I got 9 posts through this thread without seeing an idiot pull the Texas card. Stereotypes man, they are awesome aren't they? You're just as intolerant as the guy who pulled the trigger in this article. /clap[/QUOTE] Rural texas isn't known for its moral fiber.
[QUOTE=Nikota;35144816]Rural texas isn't known for its moral fiber.[/QUOTE] And Britain is known for having a populous with bad teeth and chavs, the Irish are known as drunks, the Germans are known as Nazis, and anyone from the middle east is a terrorist, as anyone from rural texas is an intolerant hillbilly. We don't even know if the soldiers are even from around the area, they were just stationed there, so the geographical location, and the stereotypes hammered into your head about the inhabitants in the area don't even play a role when it comes to the people involved, as they are in the military and could have just been shuffled to that area for training, or just stationed there. Shit the guy went missing from a base in Oklahoma, that just shows how quick you guys are on jumping to stereotypes. You guys are incredibly ironic and hypocritical, you guys get up in arms about people using stereotypes, or being intolerance, but you guys never hold any restraint back when it comes to doing the same thing 9 posts down from the OP. Guess you can't expect much from a forum that has a demographic of middle classed 14 year olds reading "sensationalist" news.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;35142508]There can't be an atheist persecution complex when atheists are actually persecuted against.[/QUOTE] One psychopath, who more likely than not only mentioned religion to get a lighter sentence, does not mean you're being persecuted
[QUOTE=werrek;35143547]Also, page before had someone say Christianity's deity will only love you if you follow pre-determined laws. That is incorrect, as the Christian Holy Bible states "he loves everyone despite previous or future broken laws".[/QUOTE] Specifically which bible and where?
[QUOTE=Megafan;35145594]Specifically which bible and where?[/QUOTE] I think it's in the King James bible. Either way it's a fundamental part of Christianity that God loves absolutely everyone.
Congrads Green, you have killed an unbeliever! You have now gained a nice seat in Hell.
[QUOTE=Cone;35145613]I think it's in the King James bible. Either way it's a fundamental part of Christianity that God loves absolutely everyone.[/QUOTE] Well that's hardly convincing considering that there are passages in the Bible that contradict it.
[QUOTE=Megafan;35145678]Well that's hardly convincing considering that there are passages in the Bible that contradict it.[/QUOTE] I think that the general gist is that God doesn't really stop loving you at any point, it just happens that particular things condemn you. Why can't God just not do that? I don't know. The people who wrote the Bible might have, but we can't exactly ask them now. If you look in the book hard enough, and interpret things in a particular way, you might get the answer. Really, I think that there may or may not be answers to begin with, but in all likeliness we're never going to get them anyways. Really, they're not questions we need to be asking anyway. If people can still keep each other breathing when we're wounded, fix our electrics when they're broken, protect our citizens when they're vulnerable and grow food when we're hungry, I don't really think we need to question each other's beliefs if they don't stop people from doing their jobs.
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