FBI: Murder Down 10% Despite 28.8% Raise In Gun Purchases For 2009
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[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;19327468]Okay, let's assume he ISN'T scared off by the alarm. He enters the house, commits whatever crime he had intended, and leaves before the alarm system guy even calls. Then, even if you do manage to answer the phone, it will take another 10-20 minutes for the police to get there. I'm not pulling this out of my ass either. A family member is a 911 dispatcher.[/QUOTE]
Then that's an issue with the police force, and the police system needs to be improved. That's not a justification for wanting to splatter a human being's head all over your walls because he wanted to take your clock-radio.
That and the vast majority of self-defense cases with firearms don't involve any shots fired at all.
Also unless the police have an officer stationed at my house 24/7 or unless we invent reliable, instant teleporters there will always be a long response time.
And how would you propose we fix it? Have a squad car patrol every block at every hour of the day. That'd solve unemployment I suppose.
So, you seem to have a problem with any sort of solution that might require a new carpet. Okay, I guess that's understandable. Get a taser, pepper spray, something; just so someone could defend defend themself from a burglar that wouldn't just steal a clock radio. And of course, there's no alarm system in a dark alley.
Edit: sorry, im late
[QUOTE=Mister B;19319022]I've seriously seen some weird stuff on the internet. There's this whole "Second American Revolution" going on. People are gathering militias together and doing combat training.
See for yourself.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGHlvnqPdH0[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D680st4cRIM&feature=related[/media]
Their forum:
[url]http://www.americanresistancemovement.com/index.php?sid=6134e57f8dee6a55632ae150e7c2520f[/url]
They bring up some pretty decent points, but I doubt it's going to happen.[/QUOTE]
No, no they don't...
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also, nice source OP. The article is fear mongering.
Americans seem to live in constant fear of a 'home invasion'. Are they like a common thing in the US or what
If you live in an urban area, yeah, I guess so.
[QUOTE=Mister B;19319022]I've seriously seen some weird stuff on the internet. There's this whole "Second American Revolution" going on. People are gathering militias together and doing combat training.
See for yourself.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGHlvnqPdH0[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D680st4cRIM&feature=related[/media]
Their forum:
[url]http://www.americanresistancemovement.com/index.php?sid=6134e57f8dee6a55632ae150e7c2520f[/url]
They bring up some pretty decent points, but I doubt it's going to happen.[/QUOTE]
I hope they [i]do[/i] make a move, it'd be funny to see some crazy inbred hillbillies get slaughtered by the US Army.
It really ticks me off all the people in the UK saying stuff like "oh look at us our crime rates are sooooo low thanks to gun control and look at japan them too :smug:". What these people don't realize is that those 2 countries have a geographical advantage over the US because they're both Islands, and not very huge countries either. They both are fairly iscolated and have more control over what goes in and out of their countries so a ban on something is way easier. Here in America were one of the largest nations in the world and share borders with 2 different countries, one of which is Mexico which is notorious for crime. I'd like to see you guys come over here and try to regulate the amount of weapons that find their way into the US from Mexico or some other country close to us.
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;19327339]Europe may have lower crime rates, but Switzerland, in which firearms are even more prevalent and accepted in society (ever wonder why Hitler didn't attack the Swiss) has an extremely low crime rate, and an even smaller percent is gun related.
What's annoying are those Brink's security commercials where the alarm scares off some crazed meth-head with a crowbar. A .357 does the same thing.[/QUOTE]
I always wished I could make a commercial for a gun shop, where these two guys see a woman alone in her house, break in, and trip the alarm, but keep going anyway. They see the woman, and she runs into her bedroom and locks the door, and they go to break it down. Then, she pulls a CZ-75B out of her drawer and they break down the door, and it shows her firing, then it goes to the screen with the gun shop's number/address on it.
[QUOTE=Splode a Pinga;19329530]I always wished I could make a commercial for a gun shop, where these two guys see a woman alone in her house, break in, and trip the alarm, but keep going anyway. They see the woman, and she runs into her bedroom and locks the door, and they go to break it down. Then, she pulls a CZ-75B out of her drawer and they break down the door, and it shows her firing, then it goes to the screen with the gun shop's number/address on it.[/QUOTE]
This is realistic, right?
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[QUOTE=Bean-O;19327549]That and the vast majority of self-defense cases with firearms don't involve any shots fired at all.
Also unless the police have an officer stationed at my house 24/7 or unless we invent reliable, instant teleporters there will always be a long response time.[/QUOTE]
Oh dear, I didn't know everyone was after you.
what is with this American paranoia about home invasions?
This is apparently despite the fact that [url=http://www.americanresistancemovement.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1234]THE U.N. IS COMING FOR OUR GUNS!!!![/url]
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19329556]This is realistic, right?
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Oh dear, I didn't know everyone was after you.
what is with this American paranoia about home invasions?[/QUOTE]
Not just home invasions. Crime is everywhere in the big citites.
Simply the fact that the Democrats are openly opposing the second amendment that clearly states that the civilian population can own firearms is rather depressing.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;19318718]American gun crime rate is still higher than many other countries that enact some form of gun control policy.[/QUOTE]
Three-hundred million Americans as compared to eighty-two million, say, Germans. If you don't take number of people into account, the percentage is definitely going to be lop-sided.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19326381][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence#Homicides_by_country[/url]
The firearm homicide rate in the U.S. is 3 times as high as India, 6 times as high as switzerland, and 25 times as high as England.
Don't complain about it being wikipedia, it's all sourced[/QUOTE]
Again, you're comparing us to two different small countries, and India likely has some other environmental factor (lots of Hindu, who refuse to resort to violence for anything, possibly a lack of weapon supply, or something completely different).
[QUOTE=smurfy;19329763]This is apparently despite the fact that [url=http://www.americanresistancemovement.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1234]THE U.N. IS COMING FOR OUR GUNS!!!![/url][/QUOTE]
I laughed, but calling "small arms and light weapons" weapons of mass destruction is a bit over exaggerating it.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;19329966]
Again, you're comparing us to two different small countries, and India likely has some other environmental factor (lots of Hindu, who refuse to resort to violence for anything, possibly a lack of weapon supply, or something completely different).[/QUOTE]
Firearm homicide rate
per 100,000 pop:
USA: 2.97
England & Wales: 0.12
From: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence#Homicides_by_country[/url]
Do I rate you bad reading or dumb?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;19318718]American gun crime rate is still higher than many other countries that enact some form of gun control policy.[/QUOTE]
Well no shit. What about total violent crime rates? Obviously a country with more access to guns will have more gun crime, but that says nothing about all other violent crimes.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;19329966]Three-hundred million Americans as compared to eighty-two million, say, Germans. If you don't take number of people into account, the percentage is definitely going to be lop-sided.[/quote]
uhhhhh
per capita is not taking population into account?
dear god, jenkem, I wonder how you possibly survive missing a quarter of your brain
[quote]Again, you're comparing us to two different small countries, and India likely has some other environmental factor (lots of Hindu, who refuse to resort to violence for anything, possibly a lack of weapon supply, or something completely different).[/QUOTE]
So you admit to American's being overly violent?
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[QUOTE=Derubermensch;19329893]Simply the fact that the Democrats are openly opposing the second amendment that clearly states that the civilian population can own firearms is rather depressing.[/QUOTE]
You were pretty silent the last 8 years
Blaming high rate of firearm related murders on geographical things really gives away the scent of "I don't know a shit"
Lots of legal guns = higher risk of firearms being stolen into illegal firearms
Really there is no way around it. It doesn't mean that if a person has a gun he is going to turn into a murderer instantly.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;19329966]Three-hundred million Americans as compared to eighty-two million, say, Germans. If you don't take number of people into account, the percentage is definitely going to be lop-sided.[/QUOTE]
You're making our side look retarded. Per capita means per person, it has nothing to do with population.
[QUOTE=RBM11;19333960]You're making our side look retarded. Per capita means per person, it has nothing to do with population.[/QUOTE]
That's not hard to do, tbh
besides, Jenkem is an expert at that.
[QUOTE=evilking1;19333928]Lots of legal guns = higher risk of firearms being stolen into illegal firearms[/QUOTE]
Switzerland.
[QUOTE=Loen;19335568]Switzerland.[/QUOTE]
yes, that's a country.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19335598]yes, that's a country.[/QUOTE]
With some of the most relaxed firearm regulations and laws in the world yet it has a significantly lower crime rate per capita in comparison to the US.
[QUOTE=Loen;19335689]With some of the most relaxed firearm regulations and laws in the world yet it has a significantly lower crime rate per capita in comparison to the US.[/QUOTE]
who also has relaxed firearm laws
Uh
What about Norway? which is FAR lower then Switzerland.
[QUOTE=Loen;19335689]With some of the most relaxed firearm regulations and laws in the world yet it has a significantly lower crime rate per capita in comparison to the US.[/QUOTE]
Still 300 deaths per year are due to legally held army ordinance weapons. I meaned that legal guns don't equal people getting killed by guns, but sure as hell it won't reduce that number.
And most guns are still in the hands of military reserve.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19335770]who also has relaxed firearm laws
Uh
What about Norway? which is FAR lower then Switzerland.[/QUOTE]
Another great example that firearm regulation has little to nothing to do with homicides committed with them.
The US has an issue with poverty and gang violence. The solution by this point isn't to tighten regulation or completely ban them, they're already armed with illegally obtained weapons and that would simply worsen the problem since it would make legitimate law abiding citizens defenseless from crime. The solution would be to counter and discourage gangs from developing in the first place and to start more businesses, opening more job opportunies to those who would resort to crime as a living. Improving police forces, local security, and encouraging civillian populace to arm themselves would also help.
Optimistic maybe, but with time it could be accomplished.
Legalizing drugs would be a better way to fight gangs
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;19322628]If i had the money i would so hire a chopper and scare the loving shit out of them with a floodlight and megaphone.[/QUOTE]
I'd scare the loving shit out of them with some Wiley Pete.
For some reason I think that these 'murders' are still increasing, the difference is more people have guns, so it winds up becoming self-defense.
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