Venezuela holds "anti-imperialist day". Children made to write letters to "Demand Obama cease aggres - Polidicks

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;47364529]Fascists mostly.[/QUOTE] yah and motherland for the communists edit--- didn't read every comment until I read all few posts.... My comment is now void.

there isn't "fatherland" anywhere in the text, there is however "pátria" which basically means homeland, and there aren't any bad connotations whatsoever with its use.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;47366766]Depends on the country and the language iirc. e.g. in the Nordic countries it's referred to as fatherland.[/QUOTE] Here in Sweden we actually use fosterland.

[QUOTE=Explosions;47365096]They claim part of Guyana.[/QUOTE] 1) Claim another's territory that has no ethnic, cultural or political ties to you 2) Hold an "anti-imperialism day" Makes perfect sense :v:

That's understandable. The idea that Venezuela is a legitimate threat to the US is a freakin joke, but the US is [I]definitely[/I] a threat to Venezuela. We already fuel one outright coup in 2002, and are still funding opposition groups to overthrow the current, democratically elected government. That whole "declaration" of Venezuela as a security threat was just an excuse to bring sanctions to coerce them into falling in line like virtually every other oil-producing country. As for human rights violations, Venezuela doesn't hold a candle to Mexico or Columbia, which receive tons of official US aid and illegally smuggled weapons. Venezuela, at least under Chavez, has been one of the more successful leftist countries in the world. They actually managed to make some remarkable improvements in everyday quality of life. And, of course, evidence that leftist policies might actually work makes them a grave and unforgivable threat to the US. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47367780]Venezuela, at least under Chavez, has been one of the more successful leftist countries in the world. [B]They actually managed to make some remarkable improvements in everyday quality of life[/B]. And, of course, evidence that leftist policies might actually work makes them a grave and unforgivable threat to the US. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Are you for fucking real? Yes, Chavez made a fucking lot of social programs. But there's a catch: those programs never actually brought people out of poverty. It made them [I]depend[/I] on the government. Now? There's a massive shortage of [I]everything.[/I] People have to [I]queue[/I] in order to buy rationed stuff, all under the watch of the military. And what's the best part about the social programs? That all that money is [I]not[/I] returning to the government. If the people's life quality is going up, then why aren't they contributing more to the economy? Then there's the fact Caracas is one of the most violent cities in the [I]entire continent[/I]. The rest of the country isn't much better. Infrastructure is falling down due to a lack of maintenance. Food? Medicines? All imported, anything not related to the extraction and sale of oil was ignored during Chavez's time in power, and even [I]that[/I] is beginning to show signs of wear. Venezuela is a legitimate threat to the US. But not a direct one. The government is fucked up, filled with corruption and shady deals. There's proof Chavez supported the FARC with guns and money (Well, he [I]did[/I] wanted people to recognize a legitimate terrorist organization as an actual belligerent faction, but that's another story). And then there's that whole antagonizing your main source of income on a daily basis, then playing dumb and crying for help anywhere you can.

Well, maybe if the rest of the world didn't treat them like criminals for being politically leftist, they wouldn't have as many problems. And they don't even compare to Mexico, where journalists are routinely murdered and dozens of students were murdered and buried in the desert with the consent of political leaders. The sanctions are a joke. It's all about pushing for a new regime that will be friendly to the US and allow US oil companies to steamroll in and raid the country for their own benefit, just like we did in Nigeria. The Venezuelan people will go from benefiting a little from their country's oil revenue to getting no benefit at all. Finally, [I]any[/I] human rights criticism coming from the US is completely invalid. We imprison people indefinitely without trial or charge. We send people to overseas black sites to be tortured. We murder innocent civilians with drones. And, oh yeah, that one time we invented fraudulent evidence to launch a war that resulted in the deaths of 100,000+ innocent Iraqis and set the stage for half the country to fall into crazy-ass extremist hands. We don't get to criticize anybody, because we routinely violate human rights on a scale the Venezuelan government can only fantasize about.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47367780]That's understandable. The idea that Venezuela is a legitimate threat to the US is a freakin joke, but the US is [I]definitely[/I] a threat to Venezuela. We already fuel one outright coup in 2002, and are still funding opposition groups to overthrow the current, democratically elected government. That whole "declaration" of Venezuela as a security threat was just an excuse to bring sanctions to coerce them into falling in line like virtually every other oil-producing country. As for human rights violations, Venezuela doesn't hold a candle to Mexico or Columbia, which receive tons of official US aid and illegally smuggled weapons. Venezuela, at least under Chavez, has been one of the more successful leftist countries in the world. They actually managed to make some remarkable improvements in everyday quality of life. And, of course, evidence that leftist policies might actually work makes them a grave and unforgivable threat to the US. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Where do you Americans keep getting that belief that Venezuela under Chavez was any good? We're where we are right now because of 13 years of Chavez, not because of 3 with Maduro. Our social, economic and political decay is due to the direct action of Chavez. The US doesn't need to invade us for oil, the US is our primary buyer, if they want more oil they just gotta ask, although we can't increase our production because in the early 2000's PDVSA got rid of about half of their workforce, many of them skilled workers, after they were cross matched with a list obtained illegally from those who voted against Chavez in the recall referendum of 2004 (Look it up, Lista Tascón), and replaced them with whoever they could find, our oil production hasn't gone up since then. And as for human right violations? Motherfucker you better believe it, these people are filthy. Just recently they've found offshore bank accounts of many of these officials, Diosdado Cabello is connected to a drug cartel, the top generals are ALL related to drug trade, and Venezuela is well known to be a international hub for drug trade due to how easy it is to smuggle drugs in and out of here, because of corruption. These people are rotten, and amoral, and they've shown time and time again they'll do anything to stay in power even if it implies jailing, or even killing, innocents. You think you know yet you know nothing.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47367851]Well, maybe if the rest of the world didn't treat them like criminals for being politically leftist, they wouldn't have as many problems.[/quote] We don't treat ALL venezuelans as criminals. Only the government. And even that is split between "so bad it's funny" and "so bad it's painful". [quote]And they don't even compare to Mexico, where journalists are routinely murdered and dozens of students were murdered and buried in the desert with the consent of political leaders.[/quote] What? Nothing to say about all the criminal gangs ridding motorcycles and robbing and killing people left and right? What about all the gangs affiliated to the government and attacking the opposition? What about the fact that Mexico at least is [I]not rationing fucking [B]toilet paper?[/B][/I] [quote]The sanctions are a joke. It's all about pushing for a new regime that will be friendly to the US and allow US oil companies to steamroll in and raid the country for their own benefit, just like we did in Nigeria. The Venezuelan people will go from benefiting a little from their country's oil revenue to getting no benefit at all.[/quote] Oil? What fucking oil? Country is broke as hell. If America wanted oil, they could open a few extra holes in Texas or Alaska. Hell, maybe even get additional deals with Canada and Mexico. America doesn't needs Venezuelan oil. But Venezuela, right now, [I]desperately[/I] needs American dollars. Nobody buys oil like the US. And right now they're got every oil-dependent nation by the balls. [quote]Finally, [I]any[/I] human rights criticism coming from the US is completely invalid. We imprison people indefinitely without trial or charge. We send people to overseas black sites to be tortured. We murder innocent civilians with drones. And, oh yeah, that one time we invented fraudulent evidence to launch a war that resulted in the deaths of 100,000+ innocent Iraqis and set the stage for half the country to fall into crazy-ass extremist hands. We don't get to criticize anybody, because we routinely violate human rights on a scale the Venezuelan government can only fantasize about.[/QUOTE] Trust me, a lot of the criticism against the Venezuelan government I've seen and heard doesn't comes from the US. It comes from actual [I]Venezuelans[/I]. America is just doing what the rest of the continent should be doing right now. Calling out Maduro's bullshit, and forcing him to actually fix his fucking country, or let him hang himself.

[QUOTE=RockmanYoshi;47366815]By the way, is that supposed to be Bolivar?[/QUOTE] Looks like it. Bolivar seems to be Venezuela's equivalent to George Washington.

Venezuela is now literally the anti-UN, writing friendly letters

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47367780]They actually managed to make some remarkable improvements in everyday quality of life. And, of course, evidence that leftist policies might actually work makes them a grave and unforgivable threat to the US. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Venezuela[/url]

[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;47364774]I love how the picture in the OP features a soldier waving a saber forward right next to "Territory of Peace"[/QUOTE] Ain't that Simon Bolivar?

So why is Venezuela teaching its kids that Guyana is part of their territory? Are we Falklands Crisis now? [editline]21st March 2015[/editline] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guayana_Esequiba[/url] Oh wow it really is the same situation as the Falklands, some clay they never had that they now want due to it having precious loot

[QUOTE=piddlezmcfuz;47369313]So why is Venezuela teaching its kids that Guyana is part of their territory? Are we Falklands Crisis now? [editline]21st March 2015[/editline] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guayana_Esequiba[/url] Oh wow it really is the same situation as the Falklands, some clay they never had that they now want due to it having precious loot[/QUOTE] Do the falklands have any value, or is Argentina just looking for prestige.

[QUOTE=Phil5991;47369592]Do the falklands have any value, or is Argentina just looking for prestige.[/QUOTE] Oil and fish Literally, just oil and fish.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;47369639]Oil and fish Literally, just oil and fish.[/QUOTE] Also all those scapegoats

[QUOTE=piddlezmcfuz;47369313]So why is Venezuela teaching its kids that Guyana is part of their territory? Are we Falklands Crisis now? [editline]21st March 2015[/editline] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guayana_Esequiba[/url] Oh wow it really is the same situation as the Falklands, some clay they never had that they now want due to it having precious loot[/QUOTE] We've actually done it since the 60's. Every single map I recall seeing in school has the "Zone in Reclamation" marked clearly with diagonal lines, which also lead to a number of stupid kids thinking the thick diagonal lines actually existed in the Esequibo lol. Legally, Venezuela cannot give up any land whatsoever due to the first article of our constitution, and since absolutely no president wants to be the one to legally give away 159,500 square kilometers of land, even if we don't really own it, we're literally never going to stop calling it the "Zone in Reclamation". Conversely, the notion of Venezuela taking that much land from Guyana is absurd, it is very unlikely to ever happen. It's more than half of their land, it would make them literally the smallest country in South America, and taking more than half of the land of a country that is one of the least densely populated in the world is an aberration by itself.

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;47367410]Here in Sweden we actually use fosterland.[/QUOTE] Guys this isn't supposed to be funny, it's foster as in child not adopted kiddies for your clarification. :v:

[QUOTE=isreal?;47364536]whats the difference between fatherland and motherland?[/QUOTE] Only one of them leads to the proliferation of the patriarchy.

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;47375023]Guys this isn't supposed to be funny, it's foster as in child not adopted kiddies for your clarification. :v:[/QUOTE] TBH, I thought it was a Swedish immigration joke :suicide:

[QUOTE=Deng;47365219]They have a border dispute with them, as Guyana started drilling for oil recently and Venezuela is upset that they don't get the oil.[/QUOTE] the territorial dispute is something that stretches back into the 19th century, originally a dispute with the British. The government of Marcos Perez Jimenez (a ruthless and cruel dictator but an efficient administrator, sort of like Pinochet) in the 50's was the one who pushed the hardest to obtain the territory, even getting a favorable rulings in some courts. then the matter quieted down. Actually, the Chavista government has taken a more relaxed position about it, and Venezuelan maps without the whole "reclamation zone" part became more common in school literature. [editline]23rd March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=T553412;47367818]Are you for fucking real? Yes, Chavez made a fucking lot of social programs. But there's a catch: those programs never actually brought people out of poverty. It made them [I]depend[/I] on the government. Now? There's a massive shortage of [I]everything.[/I] People have to [I]queue[/I] in order to buy rationed stuff, all under the watch of the military. And what's the best part about the social programs? That all that money is [I]not[/I] returning to the government. If the people's life quality is going up, then why aren't they contributing more to the economy? Then there's the fact Caracas is one of the most violent cities in the [I]entire continent[/I]. The rest of the country isn't much better. Infrastructure is falling down due to a lack of maintenance. Food? Medicines? All imported, anything not related to the extraction and sale of oil was ignored during Chavez's time in power, and even [I]that[/I] is beginning to show signs of wear. Venezuela is a legitimate threat to the US. But not a direct one. The government is fucked up, filled with corruption and shady deals. [B]There's proof Chavez supported the FARC with guns and money (Well, he [I]did[/I] wanted people to recognize a legitimate terrorist organization as an actual belligerent faction, but that's another story)[/B]. And then there's that whole antagonizing your main source of income on a daily basis, then playing dumb and crying for help anywhere you can.[/QUOTE] this was a fairly small thing compared to this: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/16/europe/andorra-russia-china-dirty-cash/[/url] The part about the venezuelan state oil company funneling 2 billion dollars through an Andorran bank is only the tip of the iceberg: There are currently ongoing investigations which claim that a lot of this money is being given to belligerent organizations in the middle east like Hezbollah, and to the Iranian government back in ahmadinejad's administration in exchange for nuclear secrets (Argentina is also somehow involved in all of this). This is the main reason the US has declared Vzla a threat, albeit an indirect one. [editline]23rd March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47367780]That's understandable. The idea that Venezuela is a legitimate threat to the US is a freakin joke, but the US is [I]definitely[/I] a threat to Venezuela. We already fuel one outright coup in 2002, and are still funding opposition groups to overthrow the current, democratically elected government. That whole "declaration" of Venezuela as a security threat was just an excuse to bring sanctions to coerce them into falling in line like virtually every other oil-producing country. As for human rights violations, Venezuela doesn't hold a candle to Mexico or Columbia, which receive tons of official US aid and illegally smuggled weapons. Venezuela, at least under Chavez, has been one of the more successful leftist countries in the world. They actually managed to make some remarkable improvements in everyday quality of life. And, of course, evidence that leftist policies might actually work makes them a grave and unforgivable threat to the US. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] Venezuela, at least under Chavez, has been one of the more successful leftist countries in the world. They actually managed to make some remarkable improvements in everyday quality of life.[/QUOTE] hey buddy I'm going to visit my family over there in september, wanna take a road trip with me and potentially be kidnapped and murdered? (make sure to bring a lot of toilet paper too!)

[QUOTE=barttool;47376954] hey buddy I'm going to visit my family over there in september, wanna take a road trip with me and potentially be kidnapped and murdered? (make sure to bring a lot of toilet paper too!)[/QUOTE] This is the saddest part, tbh. Violence has become so widespread that when somebody gets kidnapped, robbed or killed we just say "le toco", as in, "his time was up". We've become so accustomed to it that it doesn't even sound like a tragedy when somebody becomes a victim of a crime, it's just, bad luck, tough shit, it happens.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47367851] We don't get to criticize anybody, because we routinely violate human rights on a scale the Venezuelan government can only fantasize about.[/QUOTE] :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Phil5991;47369592]Do the falklands have any value, or is Argentina just looking for prestige.[/QUOTE] They want their landmines back.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47367851]Finally, [I]any[/I] human rights criticism coming from the US is completely invalid.[/QUOTE] This is a junk logical fallacy. Come on.