Teen Dead In Officer Involved Shooting - Jesus, this was close - Polidicks

I mean okay, let's assume that this cop was an untrained idiot and he did everything possible exactly wrong, textbook example. The average person has 100% certainty that they are untrained and unequipped to properly deal with a person threatening suicide. You also have a non-zero percent certainty that the dispatcher will send over people who are properly trained and well equipped to handle a serious suicide situation. A 0% chance that you will do shit unless you have training that I don't know about, and a non-0% chance that the police will know what to do. Knowing these odds, (nothing vs greater-than-nothing,) I'm going with option two every single fucking time. Do the fucking math before you spread shit that will get people killed.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;44901590]There is literally no act of police violence that people on this forum won't try to justify. Even when a SWAT team unloads a dozen rounds into a mentally ill homeless man standing out in an open field someone will come up with an excuse and ignore every single misstep that leads up to the shooting/fatal tasering of a person/small dog. Apparently all someone needs to say is "he lunged at me" and all circumstances and previous errors in judgement are made irrelevant.[/QUOTE] Well, when idiots come crawling out the woodwork that are attacking a cop for defending himself, yeah there's gonna be few who stick up for the man.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;44901553]Or pepper spray him, or taze him, or shoot him in the gut with a beanbag round, or just smack him in the head with a baton. A bullet should be the last resort, not the first. At least for anyone not armed with a firearm of their own. Maybe someone can explain it better, but I don't know why stuff like that isn't a LOT more widely used. Why do cops still behave as if there is no setting between "zero" and "lethal"? Do they not just beat people with clubs anymore?[/QUOTE] Pepper spray/ OC spray can often make people more violent by enraging them, blind the officer with blowback, or fail to work entirely due to a fair number of people simply being immune. Tasers give you one shot with the darts. That shot often fails due to clothing, poor accuracy, range, or partial failure to penetrate. A multitude of things can go wrong that would result in a knifewielding attacker being completely unscathed and stabbing you in the face. Even a direct hit fails to deter occasionally. Tazers do better than OC spray, but retain a very high chance of failure. Beanbag rounds are never fired at center mass. They are extremely dangerous to employ and require precision aiming in order to hit the extremities of the suspect. Shots to center mass can snap ribs and puncture organs or simply cause severe internal bleeding. They are only employed at range and with armed officers equipped with live rounds on scene because they generally require a number of direct hits to stop someone, if they ever succeed at all. Cops use now use extendable batons. They hurt, but are largely for intimidation and keeping unarmed drunks in line. They are generally too light in weight to be useful. A tonfa, or nightstick, that used to be employed could do it, theoretically. Tonfas are primarily defensive fighting tools. That said there would still be an extremely high chance of losing the fight even with one. Ultimately that leaves you with the gun. It is fast to deploy, has the best range, doesn't demand extreme accuracy, and if it fails to stop you can just fire more.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;44901773]You're right. It's astounding that a police officer from the great town of Purcellville, Virginia, does not have foresight equal to your hindsight. Mind boggling indeed![/QUOTE] it's not that great. this is probably the only time you'll ever hear of it, yet everything costs so much damn money. oh, and apparently I knew the kid. From what I remember, he was one of the drug kingpins in the town. (there are a lot of drug dealers here). I didn't know him due to drugs, I just heard stories about him.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;44901360]"They lunged and I had to shoot them" seems like an awfully common excuse for police shootings. It's the cop's word against a dead person, so who knows what actually happens, but sometimes it seems like the world has an awful lot of people willing to charge a gun-wielding cop armed with a knife or nothing at all. Does that police department not have a mental health responder for, I don't know, [I]exactly that scenario!?[/I] Imagine how the parents feel. They call the cops specifically because they want them to save their child's life, and instead a cop shows up and murders their child right in front of them. If a family member of mine was barricaded in a room and threatening to kill themselves, I don't think I would call the cops. I'll take my fucking chances handling the situation myself before I let some gun-toting cowboy with an itchy trigger finger come in my house.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/7180381-NH-officer-shot-to-death-home-explodes-after-incident/[/url]

All these people are screaming about cop worship n shit

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;44902056]Ahh, now we found the real Yawmwen alt.[/QUOTE] soon enough he'll be trying to convince us that molotovs can't kill

I needed years of knife training to learn "blindly charge at them stabbing" technique.

[QUOTE=niel12_5D;44902349]What about adult anti-police activists?[/QUOTE] Probably wronged multiple times by police officers/state officials/parents/guardians/teachers/doctors/someoneinapositionofpower at some point in their life. Unfortunately, they're too ignorant to grow out of that mentality and learn that these people can be good.

[QUOTE=Spherexd;44906324]Probably wronged multiple times by police officers/state officials/parents/guardians/teachers/doctors/someoneinapositionofpower at some point in their life. Unfortunately, they're too ignorant to grow out of that mentality and learn that these people can be good.[/QUOTE] or thought they were wronged

[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;44904525]soon enough he'll be trying to convince us that molotovs can't kill[/QUOTE] Wait, did Yawmwen say that?

[QUOTE=theobod;44906579]Wait, did Yawmwen say that?[/QUOTE] He said they were "non-lethal to cops" or something like that. God I miss him. He was entertaining.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;44901498]Cops have a laundry list of nonlethal options available, more than at any time in history. I can't fathom why they are apparently still trained to forgo all of those options and use lethal force first. Also, I'm not saying the only person on scene should be a civilian shrink from a local hospital. It should obviously be a police officer, but one with very specific training whose only job is dealing with situations involving mentally unstable people. Someone that can recognize and properly handle the mentally ill, but not be completely vulnerable if something bad happens. My general point is that the solution to people having a mental health crisis is not to [I]shoot them on the spot.[/I] Especially not 17-year-olds, for fuck's sake.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi18roqsX34[/media] I don't know where this notion comes from that police have a magic "stun setting" like star trek. Non-lethal weapons are highly ineffective unless you fall within a specific range of body types. Rubber bullets up close can be just as lethal at stopping someones heart or causing internal bleeding, they can also be very ineffective if the target is at range or has a higher pain tolerance.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;44906784][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi18roqsX34[/media] I don't know where this notion comes from that police have a magic "stun setting" like star trek. Non-lethal weapons are highly ineffective unless you fall within a specific range of body types. Rubber bullets up close can be just as lethal at stopping someones heart or causing internal bleeding, they can also be very ineffective if the target is at range or has a higher pain tolerance.[/QUOTE] This is a true taser, not like that bullshit stungun in the video you posted: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jycsQe1F-sE[/media]

[QUOTE=Spherexd;44906324]Probably wronged multiple times by police officers/state officials/parents/guardians/teachers/doctors/someoneinapositionofpower at some point in their life. Unfortunately, they're too ignorant to grow out of that mentality and learn that these people can be good.[/QUOTE] You can't just completely disregard entire movements under the assumption that it's an ignorant childish mentality. Sure movements such as neo-nazism can be invalidated easily due to their blatant amorality, but anti-police activists have their reasons. Police brutality is, in fact, a serious issue. Also, just because a person is against police brutality or corruption doesn't mean they hate all police. Sure there are angry people who just can't stand any cops, but the activists who dislike the police force aren't going to mention how there are good guys in the force because that won't help them at all. There's no reason. When demanding change, there's no sense in being nice and pointing out that you realize not everybody in the institution your against is bad. Just because you disagree with an institution doesn't mean you despise everyone within it, it just means that you believe the institution must change. For example, I'm sure many people on Facepunch disagree with the amount of money being spent on the military and the military's actions (maybe even you feel this way) , but that doesn't mean that those Facepunchers hate soldiers and veterans of the United States military.

[QUOTE=Spherexd;44906324]Probably wronged multiple times by police officers/state officials/parents/guardians/teachers/doctors/someoneinapositionofpower at some point in their life. Unfortunately, they're too ignorant to grow out of that mentality and learn that these people can be good.[/QUOTE] yawmwen was actually in prison for three years or something like that iirc

[QUOTE=Code3Response;44907052]This is a true taser, not like that bullshit stungun in the video you posted: [/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9sIMtkJ-yo[/media] point is it isn't effective against everyone.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;44906619]He said they were "non-lethal to cops" or something like that. God I miss him. He was entertaining.[/QUOTE] he also hated cops because he was convicted of a felony and believed that he wasn't in the wrong lol.

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;44908570]he also hated cops because he was convicted of a felony and believed that he wasn't in the wrong lol.[/QUOTE] Wait what Never heard of this

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;44901498]Cops have a laundry list of nonlethal options available, more than at any time in history.[/QUOTE] No they don't. Here's a fucking laundry list for you: A: They cost money. Not every department has that money. Not every department can justify the expense for a few situations per year. B: They are [B]not[/B] non-lethal. They are [I]less[/I] than lethal. Beanbags can still break bones. Rubber bullets can, too. Tazers can cause heart attacks and don't always work. Pepper sprays can cause allergic reactions. This isn't Deus Ex. You can't just whack someone with a non-lethal weapon and win immediately. C: Not every officer will have a less-than-lethal available in every situation, whereas every officer will always have a firearm available. "b-but give them all the less-than-lethals!" see option 1.

[QUOTE=SoaringScout;44907143]You can't just completely disregard entire movements under the assumption that it's an ignorant childish mentality. Sure movements such as neo-nazism can be invalidated easily due to their blatant amorality, but anti-police activists have their reasons. Police brutality is, in fact, a serious issue. Also, just because a person is against police brutality or corruption doesn't mean they hate all police. Sure there are angry people who just can't stand any cops, but the activists who dislike the police force aren't going to mention how there are good guys in the force because that won't help them at all. There's no reason. When demanding change, there's no sense in being nice and pointing out that you realize not everybody in the institution your against is bad. Just because you disagree with an institution doesn't mean you despise everyone within it, it just means that you believe the institution must change. For example, I'm sure many people on Facepunch disagree with the amount of money being spent on the military and the military's actions (maybe even you feel this way) , but that doesn't mean that those Facepunchers hate soldiers and veterans of the United States military.[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about people who lead anti-police movements. I'm talking about those who are against the entire concept of police or the state because they've had a select few bad run-ins with authority figures.