Soviet find of water on the Moon in the 1970s ignored by the West - Polidicks

[QUOTE=LarparNar;36160640]And again you ignore the larger achievements of the US during the space race.[/QUOTE] I'm not ignoring anything. this: [QUOTE]Wow lets ignore all the other shit and focus on the smallest of the achievements![/quote] is a irrelevant, I'm pointing out how redundant the 'man to go into space twice' is as an achievement compared to others.

[QUOTE=Vasili;36160823]I'm not ignoring anything. this: is a irrelevant, I'm pointing out how redundant the 'man to go into space twice' is as an achievement compared to others.[/QUOTE] But it's not irrelevant because it showed that the US wasn't as far behind the Soviet after all. Of course the same man going to space twice isn't as big of an achievement as sending the first man into space or doing the first docking, I never claimed it was even close.

And I'm noting that its not even a note worthy achievement what exactly is admirable about the same guy going into space again?

Wow I already mentioned twice that I put it in there to show that the US did it before the Soviet, showing that they weren't as far behind as he was implying.

[QUOTE=Vasili;36159534]wow what a fucking achievement that is[/QUOTE] Sounds to me like you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. This whole argument is stupid. Russia was leading the way at first but NASA quickly pulled ahead and dominated them. Fact. You're just being nit-picky over one little fact that larparNar stated.

"Look Americans, we found water, on moon!" "Hah, sure right. And we have a space laser!"

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;36155236]Russia's space programs seem more helpful than what NASA does, don't get me wrong I think NASA is cool but honestly I think Russia is a little bit more advanced[/QUOTE] yeah maybe in the beginning of the race, you know man in space, orbit, space station. But After those land marks they failed miserably, they lost ALOT of probes on the moon and mars, Satellites, and people due to rushing and high orders. Russia today isn't what it was then, and what it was then isn't comparable to what NASA is today, or even then. [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Vasili;36160589]Instead of making an assumption that he did mean that, why don't you just ask him. The achievement of putting the same guy in space again is not very significant compared to the first man in space, its like you were trying to scrape the barrel. If he meant the space race situation (which is the likelihood) then Russia had the US beaten in list of accomplishments.[/QUOTE] So what if Russia was first, they only beat us to space by like ~20 or so days. And NASA's objective was and still is today safety. Their first priority was the astronaut, then the mission. The soviets rushed everything, not to discredit them but NASA and them were toe to toe in technology. [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;36159634]I think it's obvious that the Russians have much more [i]practical[/i] experience in space. Sure, we here in the US are proud of our fancy, hi tech gizmos we make and use. And I'm sure a lot of that stuff does/will pay off in the long run. But the Russians had, for instance, manned space stations for much longer periods than we did. If you're running a space station and crew it for long periods of time then you ARE going to gather a ton of valuable data that cannot be acquired from high tech devices, only by people going there and doing it themselves. It doesn't matter if the space station itself is small and relatively low tech, the important thing is it's being used. So here we are, one of a kind Space Shuttle fleet out of service, meanwhile Russians STILL have rockets to get people to the ISS. I don't know about anyone else but I'd rather have a running car that I can drive places, even if it isn't a luxury car, than a fancy schmancy Porshe sitting in the garage on concrete blocks because it costs too much keep in safe operating condition.[/QUOTE] Soyuz rockets are ancient and yes since we retired the shuttle, our PARTNERS in space are allowing us to use the rockets. NASA is currently working on the ORION capsule to send 6 astronauts beyond LEO onto the moon and mars. NASA is also paying commercial enterprises to make their own vehicles in order to reboot interest in space. "Practical" is not what you are looking for in space, you need above all Safety and then comes the rest. [editline]1st June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Radley;36156122]The Russians were first with everything, except the moon landing thing. gg NASA.[/QUOTE] First to lose their astronauts in space aswell but safety wasn't a concern to them, it was being first

[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;36163552]yeah maybe in the beginning of the race, you know man in space, orbit, space station. But After those land marks they failed miserably, they lost ALOT of probes on the moon and mars, Satellites, and people due to rushing and high orders.[/QUOTE] They certainly weren't toe to toe with Buran program, developed out of the need to land while the cosmonauts are fucked on vodka.