Tunisia builds a barrier along its border with Libya - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Reagy;49690907]Still an inconvenience to whoever wants to cross, its clearly not meant to stop people, just slow their progress or turn them away.[/QUOTE] If they really wanted to make it a problem to cross, i think they would just widen it enough for theses guys to move in. [T]http://weknowyourdreamz.com/images/crocodile/crocodile-08.jpg[/T]

life for most tunisians is difficult - a fact that's far more valuable to IS than the state of the border - and i can't imagine a more futile use of money in a country that desperately needs to repair and improve its civil infrastructure than digging a glorified ditch

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49695628]life for most tunisians is difficult - a fact that's far more valuable to IS than the state of the border - and i can't imagine a more futile use of money in a country that desperately needs to repair and improve its civil infrastructure than digging a glorified ditch[/QUOTE] As far as things go, it probably employed a few construction crews for a couple years but we aren't talking sophisticated infrastructure there, they just dug a ditch and piled the dirt on one side, not like the crazy expensive boarder wall in Texas that doesn't even work

[QUOTE=jamzzster;49690627][IMG]http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2016/2/7/f3ce15209802462f9d4260e64fd1caad_18.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] man, the image in the OP makes it look way bigger

Why not place barb wires and landmines pointing towards Libya? That would be a great deterent [editline]9th February 2016[/editline] Also I think think they should make a second trench just for extra measure

[QUOTE=BCell;49702389]Why not place barb wires and landmines pointing towards Libya? That would be a great deterent [editline]9th February 2016[/editline] Also I think think they should make a second trench just for extra measure[/QUOTE] Landmines are not a healthy thing to put down anywhere.

i don't know if this topic still active but as Tunisian i will add some info about the barrier the barrier is not in the border line he is less then 1 km away from the border this video show how they will deal with any infiltration [video=youtube;i6zB4uZ_hVc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6zB4uZ_hVc[/video] and the barrier can stop cars ( this was in first months of the barrier ) [IMG]http://s2.dmcdn.net/Og4lR/1280x720-yYG.jpg[/IMG] but sadly this happen [IMG]https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13645094_780992728670348_5288207892755020325_n.jpg ?oh=f8549f6f563bcc1919824201bd652982&oe=5832EC80[/IMG]

See, while mines are indiscriminate killing devices, they are very effective for border control. They should use mines since its cost effective and very good in making folks think twice about crossing

It's not going to make many people book a holiday there any time soon though.

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;50684663]See, while mines are indiscriminate killing devices, they are very effective for border control. They should use mines since its cost effective and very good in making folks think twice about crossing[/QUOTE] Landmines are one of the worst things humanity has ever created. "2,000 people are involved in landmine accidents every month - one victim every 20 minutes. Around 800 of these will die, the rest will be maimed." - ICRC pamphlet Landmines must be Stopped, 1997

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50684681]It's not going to make many people book a holiday there any time soon though.[/QUOTE] about holiday this year we have lot of Russians coming this year ( very big number ) because Egypt is not safe for them ( the russian plane that crushed after taking off from egypt ) and because turkey ( politics ) [editline]10th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Ignhelper;50684663]See, while mines are indiscriminate killing devices, they are very effective for border control. They should use mines since its cost effective and very good in making folks think twice about crossing[/QUOTE] Tunisian Army don't use landmines they are banned

Just add some armed guards, a few towers, bunkers and boom, you have a difficult situation.

[QUOTE=BioWaster;50684727]Just add some armed guards, a few towers, bunkers and boom, you have a difficult situation.[/QUOTE] we do have soldiers in the border and we do have towers but i think not in the entire border line because we don't have the money and the power to do that but what we need is UAVs and FOBs ( Forward operating base )

They should develop smart mines that can be activated/deactivated on demand. [editline]10th July 2016[/editline] Maybe have the mines automatically deactivate if they don't receive a signal for X amount of time. That way you don't have any accidents a few years down the line.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;50684808]Maybe they should make robocops too, or smart bullets that deactivate/activate with GPS technology if they find an overlapping SIM card of a civilian /s If you are gonna have someone look at the minefield and activate "on demand" just save the costs and put a guy with a gun, or a RPG[/QUOTE] You misunderstood. I meant that you can activate an entire minefield with the push of a button. Then when the conflict is over you can deactivate them. Mines are a great deterrent against any form of trespassing. Having smart mines would remove all the drawbacks and leave the positives.

[QUOTE=orgornot;50684820]You misunderstood. I meant that you can activate an entire minefield with the push of a button. Then when the conflict is over you can deactivate them. Mines are a great deterrent against any form of trespassing. Having smart mines would remove all the drawbacks and leave the positives.[/QUOTE] Then your enemy can figure out the signal and BAM! They have control of your minefield.

[QUOTE=mralexs;50684843]Then your enemy can figure out the signal and BAM! They have control of your minefield.[/QUOTE] But that goes for just about everything electronic "BAM! They have your drones!". Proper security and redundancy will always be needed for these systems.

Tunisian army don't use mines they are banned so simply no mines

[QUOTE=Malek23Khelif;50684854]Tunisian army don't use mines they are banned so simply no mines[/QUOTE] They are banned because they contaminate the area even after the conflict is over. Smart mines with today's technology would have none of those problems.

[QUOTE=orgornot;50684868]They are banned because they contaminate the area even after the conflict is over. Smart mines with today's technology would have none of those problems.[/QUOTE] they are banned from Dec 4, 1997 after Tunisia Signed the Ottawa Treaty ( Anti-Personnel Mine Ban Convention )

[QUOTE=orgornot;50684868]They are banned because they contaminate the area even after the conflict is over. Smart mines with today's technology would have none of those problems.[/QUOTE] Unless you can guarantee that you can permanently deactivate such mines, they should never be used. Same goes for cluster munitions.

[QUOTE=Malek23Khelif;50684895]they are banned from Dec 4, 1997 after Tunisia Signed the Ottawa Treaty ( Anti-Personnel Mine Ban Convention )[/QUOTE] Yeah they definitely need to revise that. Technology has come a long way since then and in this case smart landmines could actually save many lives. [editline]10th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Trebgarta;50684899]It is still an armchair solution for a non-problem and will go into the same basket with smart bullets and cyborg tech. You dont need mines, walls or fences in this day and age.[/QUOTE] Obviously they do need them since this barrier already got breached. If the enemy knows there are landmines they'll think twice about coming to your territory.

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Orgornot is a true security expert and has a full understanding of how useful and safe minefields are in times of establishing area denial. Except he has been living safely inside his little Swedish house inside his safe little Sweden and has probably not once in his life lived, walked, treaded, drove, or passed in any way, shape, or form, past or through a minefield. But that's okay. Because he knows that the Tunisian government can keep its country safe by lacing an entire border region with a minefield that will only blow up when Libyans step on them.

[QUOTE=Chickens!;50684685]Landmines are one of the worst things humanity has ever created. "2,000 people are involved in landmine accidents every month - one victim every 20 minutes. Around 800 of these will die, the rest will be maimed." - ICRC pamphlet Landmines must be Stopped, 1997[/QUOTE] I know that point very clearly. But its still very effective, that is my point. You're not going to cross because you know there is a whole stretch of mines right in front of you. As mentioned in wiki: [QUOTE]Opponents claim that when used correctly, anti-personnel mines are defensive weapons that harm only attackers, unlike ranged weapons such as ballistic missiles that are most effective if used for preemptive attacks. Furthermore, opponents claim that the psychological effect of mines increases the threshold to attack and thus reduces the risk of war[/QUOTE] Especially so in borders like the DMZ, it would prove useful in the outbreak of an invasion. I know that its a terrible weapon, I've seen the victims during my time in Cambodia. But it achieves its purpose of making people not walk towards a certain location very effectively.

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;50684953] I know that its a terrible weapon, I've seen the victims during my time in Cambodia. But it achieves its purpose of making people not walk towards a certain location very effectively.[/QUOTE] This does not justify the murder of civilians. This is a disgusting, almost Stalinist point of view, and I'm honestly shocked to see people still attempting to say "yeah well a few civvies get caught up but oh well".

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;50684663]See, while mines are indiscriminate killing devices, they are very effective for border control. They should use mines since its cost effective and very good in making folks think twice about crossing[/QUOTE] Mines should never be used for anything ever. They hang out for decades, maiming and killing people long past the end of whatever threats they were put up to deter. [editline]10th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=orgornot;50684908]Yeah they definitely need to revise that. Technology has come a long way since then and in this case smart landmines could actually save many lives. [editline]10th July 2016[/editline] Obviously they do need them since this barrier already got breached. If the enemy knows there are landmines they'll think twice about coming to your territory.[/QUOTE] The guidelines for "smart" landmines allow for a 10% failure rate of the systems designed to self-terminate the mine, meaning that if you plant a thousand landmines, about a hundred of them will remain active threats until detonated the old-fashioned way-- ten years later, under the foot of some kid out playing. "Smart" landmines are unreliable, and beyond that, they are still completely indiscriminate. This also doesn't address the main problem with landmines: they generally maim, not kill, and are completely indiscriminate. It doesn't matter who steps on it while it is active; that person will lose limbs, and either bleed out in the sand or spend the rest of their life permanently crippled. Even when landmines are activated by the intended targets, they are unnecessarily brutal, completely inhumane. And then there is the fact that the world is already fucking inundated with the things. The last thing we should be doing is planting [I]more.[/I] [quote] It is estimated that there are 110 million active landmines.This means that there is one landmine for every 17 children in the world. Or, in other words, one landmine for every 52 people. Another 110 million landmines are stored ready to be used. Landmines are found in over 70 countries. 2,000 people are involved in landmine accidents every month - one person every 20 minutes. Around 800 of these will die. 1,200 will be maimed.[/quote] [url]https://newint.org/easier-english/landmine/lmfacts.html[/url] [editline]10th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Ignhelper;50684953]I know that its a terrible weapon, I've seen the victims during my time in Cambodia. But it achieves its purpose of making people not walk towards a certain location very effectively.[/QUOTE] Except, of course, for the people who do not know any better. This is why as many as 75% of landmine victims post-conflict are children (according to figures taken from Somalia).

[IMG]https://sojourney.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/wall_cross_section.gif[/IMG] Tunisia Should do something like this but instead of 8 feet deep trench will be 80 feet better and the 10 feet wall be 30 feet that is better

[QUOTE=Malek23Khelif;50685344][IMG]https://sojourney.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/wall_cross_section.gif[/IMG] Tunisia Should do something like this but instead of 8 feet deep trench will be 80 feet better and the 10 feet wall be 30 feet that is better[/QUOTE] No money for that at the moment

[QUOTE=Malek23Khelif;50684606] but sadly this happen [IMG]https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13645094_780992728670348_5288207892755020325_n.jpg ?oh=f8549f6f563bcc1919824201bd652982&oe=5832EC80[/IMG][/QUOTE] Well I hit that nail squarely on the head: [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49690424]Depending how wide it is, a group of men can easily put a bunch of boards across it and get across, and depending on the materials they use, potentially a vehicle as well. Hopefully the moat is 8 to 10 feet wide (3 to 4 meters).[/QUOTE]