[QUOTE=Van-man;37781455]Only for companies and the rich.
Poor people and students better bend over.[/QUOTE]
Did I ever imply that schools should be regulated to not allow philosophy majors?
How does this have any thing in the slightest to do with the free market?
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You are in fact quite free to choose a philosophy degree.
The free market and the principle of supply and demand is what dictates its low value in wages and job prospects.
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[QUOTE=Lazor;37781229]"everyone should do these 4 degrees and nothing else, then everyone will have good jobs" is a viable thing to say[/QUOTE]
I don't think this, I just think that not all degrees were created equal.
At the end of the day it comes down mostly to your rigor and work ethic. An undergraduate business degree can eventually net you more opportunities in life than a medical degree if you are willing to work hard and sacrifice.
i think what strider is saying is that if you cant get a job with your philosophy degree you shouldn't complain
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of course thisispain [I]has[/I] to make some sort of quip about the free market even though it has absolutely god fucking nothing to do with this thread
My girlfriend got a degree in child studies, works in a government procurement office getting cell phone and computer contracts for government use. Pays well and she works with great people, but man that has absolutely nothing to do with Child Studies.
Most of my friends are in similar situations except for those who really specialized in high-demand fields, like aeronautic engineering, web programming, etc.
[QUOTE=ChristopherB;37781138]That's the liberal arts perspective on education which is nice and all, but for those of us living in the real world you're going to need a degree with a bit more substance than philosophy.[/QUOTE]
Yawn
Not all degrees need to be vocational
[QUOTE=James*;37783395]Yawn
Not all degrees need to be vocational[/QUOTE]
The ones that aren't should cost as much as a house.
The ones that are shouldn't either
this is bullshit fuck everything
[QUOTE=BenJammin';37780888]when I was a kid I wanted to be an MIT graduate only just because gordon freeman was one.
I also wanted to be an archaeologist because Indiana Jones.
Now I don't even think I am going to go to college anymore, there is nothing that I am really interested in or capable of doing. I want to get into music but I don't really think a college music degree applies to what I am capable of and what I want to do, I dunno what I am really going to do with my life. I should probably stop being lazy and start venturing into things though.[/QUOTE]
Honestly if you don't know what you are doing take it from someone who kind of does: just hold off on college until you do.
And make sure you really apply yourself in the mean time. Never stop learning just because you are out of school. Give yourself a wide variety of experiences. Travel, if you can. If you know you like to do something, keep doing it. Don't be afraid of jumping into new opportunities.
Just about the WORST thing you can do is either A:
1. Do nothing at all, keep the status quo, live with your parents till you are 30, never get any other kind of job (even if its min wage and part time, that is still good to have), and just *exist*
2. Go to college under a bullshit degree that you have no idea if you'd even like it.
Both options are going to be either very expensive on your time (the most valuble resource you have, because once you lose an hour you are never getting it back), or very expensive on your wallet. While jumping into college might sound like a good idea if you have no idea what you want to do, you might end up being $20-30k in debt while dropping out to follow your true passion. Or spend 4 years on a degree only to figure out what you really want to do and spend 4 more years after that on your *REAL* degree.
Never go to college just to go to college. Especially in the modern age, where education is increasingly becoming something you use as a tool, rather than a ticket, to get a job into something you want. If you bring the wrong tool for the job, you'll have to spend more money and time to get the right one.
I know people who got associates degrees in X and were going to go off and get their bachellors but dropped out because they ran into their true calling job wise that worked great for them both pay wise and "how much you love and care for your job" wise. I.E. the people who owned the rock climbing tour company we rock climbed with in Nevada. Sure they probably don't make $75k+ a year, but they make enough to live comfortable and their job is doing something that is true to them, and something they love, despite not even using a degree at all.
If you don't know what you are doing, there's no shame in holding off on college until you find a passion. And to find that passion you need to expose yourself to many different experience. Because that's likely the real issue - you likely just need to experience more of life in general, and be "educated" on that before you're able to figure out what kind of occupation, what kind of salary/pay, what kind of work will work best for you. There is nothing wrong with starting college at age 22-24, or hell even 27 as long as you end up where you want to be. In a way, you save a lot of time and money doing so. You don't waste cash on something that isn't focused on what you want to do, and you don't blow 4 years of your life away either. Settling into an occupation is also bad, because not only did you blow 4 years of life and 40k in debt to get that occupation that you can't enjoy, but you'll also spoil the next 50-60 years of your life hating your job. I'd personally much rather get paid $27,000-$40,000 a year max and love my job (I certainly live comfortably on about $10,000-$15,000 a year already) than get paid $90,000 a year while hating, as well as not having any free time (as higher paying jobs tend to not provide such luxury in which you can actually enjoy the money you make).
Also don't be afraid of apprenticeships, trades, and other "less academic" careers. Often you make as much as or more than people with 4+ years in post-secondary education. One of my friends left for Alberta and makes over 100k a year doing welding. Outside of a doctorate in psycholgy, medicine, engineering, etc you would be hard pressed to make that kind of money even with a college/university education.
They've got nothing on the #1 party school.
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Shit were #3 now....
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