• The Internet of Things is laughably insecure
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[QUOTE=J!NX;49593606]gotta love those EXCELLENT MEMES[/QUOTE]ayy dank memes [QUOTE=Overwatch 7;49593631][URL="http://www.zdnet.com/article/remote-robotic-surgery-is-both-practical-and-safe/"]You're gonna love robosurgeons then. [/URL] Well, not absolutely robotic. A surgeon could be controlling them from some distance. I think this shows that IoT does have some applications. Safety and security are issues, but this does show that IoT does have practical applications besides connecting your dishwasher to your smartphone.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I don't disagree with that, but for the most part it seems like it's not really being utilized outside of that dishwasher smartphone shenanigans. People are seeing it and treating it as a gimmick, and while I might be dismissive of most of it I'm not going to say "nah, this is all useless" because I'm sure I could find [I]something[/I] that could benefit from being remote controlled. I'd just prefer if people stopped acting like it was so groundbreaking and amazing when the only useful things (robosurgeons, etc) are far and few in-between.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49593655]ayy dank memes Yeah, I don't disagree with that, but for the most part it seems like it's not really being utilized outside of that dishwasher smartphone shenanigans. People are seeing it and treating it as a gimmick, and while I might be dismissive of most of it I'm not going to say "nah, this is all useless" because I'm sure I could find [I]something[/I] that could benefit from being remote controlled. I'd just prefer if people stopped acting like it was so groundbreaking and amazing when the only useful things (robosurgeons, etc) are far and few in-between.[/QUOTE] I think the fact that you think the only useful things are few and far between is more telling of a limited imagination than a valid indictment of the hype surrounding IoT
I'm a huge nerd that would love to monitor stuff and get updates about it throughout the day. The one thing that I liked (especially considering the fact that I don't live alone) is the idea of being notified that I need to pickup, say, more milk and eggs. Using a specialized bottle and carton, the fridge could notify me from my phone. "Hey, pick up eggs on your way home!" I would legitimately love for that. The problem is that it would need: 1. Access to the internet 2. Access to somehow notifying my phone be it through e-mail, SMS, or a special app And because of that, security needs to be put in place to make sure they can't break out of the sandbox that do stuff like control my fridge's temperature, spamming my phone, and stealing my number. The concept of hooking your fridge up to the internet isn't dumb, it's when it's [I]just[/I] hooked up to the internet without any safety measures.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49593633] I'm one of those people who subscribe to the "nothing is ever secure" school of thought, it's always a risk versus reward thing for me and there really isn't any reward for being able to remotely control a robotic fruit-picking arm. That little guy should be happily working by himself all day and all night, all he should need from me is maintenance care and keeping his happy home powered and running smoothly.[/QUOTE] Nothing is ever 100% secure but if your "lock" is good enough and the hackers don't stand to gain much then people simply aren't gonna care enough to break in.
[QUOTE=phygon;49593702]Nothing is ever 100% secure but if your "lock" is good enough and the hackers don't stand to gain much then people simply aren't gonna care enough to break in.[/QUOTE] In the event that they do have something to gain, though, you offset that by getting better security and/or handing the security off to people who care. I think the solution to this is establishing a security standard and creating lawsuits for the companies responsible for sub-par security. It should be seen as their fault unless it's not configured properly, in which the techs at the company should be held responsible. If they don't care about security [I]make[/I] them care about security.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;49593647]Sigh. Guys, the phrase Internet of Things is not a noun describing what you have or don't have in your home. Noone says that they have 'an internet of things for all their appliances' because that is completely the wrong use of the term IoT and if you say that you're retarded.[/QUOTE]... People do actually use it like that though. So clearly you can understand my frustration with the phrase given that you yourself said it's retarded. [QUOTE=killerteacup;49593647]You're looking at it from a hobbyist perspective though. Sure maybe it would be easier for you to just ditch controlling your greenhouse remotely, but a guy I know at uni is/was interning on a team a couple years ago that employed some IoT techniques in order to make a remote monitoring system for a nuclear reactor over the internet using Python. In that situation it makes it not only more convenient but more safe[/QUOTE]I'm looking at it from a practical perspective, this is being treated as if we've somehow discovered how to forge steel when really this concept is not new at all. As for how useful this could be see above. Things like that just aren't as widespread as people are making them out to be, which is part of why I'm so annoyed with "the movement." [QUOTE=geel9;49593651]People don't think better of you just because you make fun of other people. Take out your insecurities elsewhere.[/QUOTE]lmao "insecurities" I just don't like a term because it sounds dumb, that alone doesn't make me insecure about anything but it does show quite well that you don't know what the hell you're even talking about. Maybe I'm just an asshole, have you ever considered that? [QUOTE=killerteacup;49593691]I think the fact that you think the only useful things are few and far between is more telling of a limited imagination than a valid indictment of the hype surrounding IoT[/QUOTE]Yes, my advocating for automation of systems rather than pestering a human to take the role of a computer is a lack of imagination. Please. [editline]23rd January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=wauterboi;49593693]I'm a huge nerd that would love to monitor stuff and get updates about it throughout the day. The one thing that I liked (especially considering the fact that I don't live alone) is the idea of being notified that I need to pickup, say, more milk and eggs. Using a specialized bottle and carton, the fridge could notify me from my phone. "Hey, pick up eggs on your way home!" I would legitimately love for that.[/QUOTE]You could maybe do that already, but I'm not sure how your fridge would know what's inside of it. Really that would be neat if there was a degree of intelligence to your appliances and they could tell you pertinent information like "yo, phone says you're at the store, pick up some milk and eggs!" and then another message about how you're almost out of coffee, toilet paper, and all sorts of other things. Home inventory management and alerting when you're low or as a reminder is cool and I'm all for it but it's not exactly easy. I do want to do something like this though and I've been trying to figure out how to do it. I keep running into the same problem: how does your fridge know it has no eggs? [QUOTE=wauterboi;49593693]And because of that, security needs to be put in place to make sure they can't break out of the sandbox that do stuff like control my fridge's temperature, spamming my phone, and stealing my number. The concept of hooking your fridge up to the internet isn't dumb, it's when it's [I]just[/I] hooked up to the internet without any safety measures.[/QUOTE]I think giving it a send-only ability with an option to enable or disable (simplest code possible) that stream of data would be the best way to do it. Accessing the data would be password protected of course, but for security purposes keeping it light and straightforward would probably be best given that the system itself isn't technically complicated.
Fridges identifying what you have is probably a bit awkward. You could have specialized slots for items with pressure sensors but that's a bit awkward and probably wouldn't take off. Could have a couple of cameras around the fridge that would use object recognition to determine what you have in the fridge to but that might be a bit expensive.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49593733]You could maybe do that already, but I'm not sure how your fridge would know what's inside of it. Really that would be neat if there was a degree of intelligence to your appliances and they could tell you pertinent information like "yo, phone says you're at the store, pick up some milk and eggs!" and then another message about how you're almost out of coffee, toilet paper, and all sorts of other things. Home inventory management and alerting when you're low or as a reminder is cool and I'm all for it but it's not exactly easy. I do want to do something like this though and I've been trying to figure out how to do it. I keep running into the same problem: how does your fridge know it has no eggs?[/QUOTE] With innovation. We've got some smartasses on this planet that can figure stuff like that out. I love them a ton. We have the components to measure weight/mass, the means to communicate information between two places wirelessly, the means store data, and the means to send data over the internet. I see it less as "how does the fridge know" and more as "how do we put these components and concepts together in a way that is efficient"? Because of the controversy surrounding IoT, however, efficiency isn't the only roadblock anymore, but also security and the ethics surrounding security. [QUOTE=Morgen;49593759]Fridges identifying what you have is probably a bit awkward. You could have specialized slots for items with pressure sensors but that's a bit awkward and probably wouldn't take off. Could have a couple of cameras around the fridge that would use object recognition to determine what you have in the fridge to but that might be a bit expensive.[/QUOTE] I hope I didn't derail the thread with my ideal fridge. For the sake of the rest of the thread, let's assume I have found it within myself to become content with my current fridge.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49593733]... People do actually use it like that though. So clearly you can understand my frustration with the phrase given that you yourself said it's retarded. I'm looking at it from a practical perspective, this is being treated as if we've somehow discovered how to forge steel when really this concept is not new at all. As for how useful this could be see above. Things like that just aren't as widespread as people are making them out to be, which is part of why I'm so annoyed with "the movement." [/QUOTE] you literally used it in that way in the post i quoted you on - and if you had a problem with the way people misused it then that's what you should have said instead of saying that it was outright a stupid term and shouldn't exist. So no I don't understand your frustration with the phrase at all because it's a very useful phrase I also literally do not understand the second part of your post here. It serves as absolutely no justification to be annoyed with anything. Everyone knows IoT is a growing industry and so yeah maybe it isn't as widespread as you seem to want to believe other people think - but it's getting there and it's the direction that we are headed at the moment [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49593733]. Yes, my advocating for automation of systems rather than pestering a human to take the role of a computer is a lack of imagination. Please. [/QUOTE] Actually what I said was that your opinion that the applications of IoT were few and far between was indicative of a lack of imagination, not your opinions about the automation of systems - nice try.
Hoboy, long post incoming... The only problem I have with IoT is the entire thing's biggest downfall thus far: [B]General, widespread computer illiteracy.[/B] A majority of the population around the globe (not even counting third world countries) are not "power users" like most people on this forum are. They wouldn't know how to set up security for anything more than their smartphone's lock screen and [I]maybe[/I] their home computers, hence why the Windows GWX thing and the subsequent forced updates is so naggy about upgrading so another security disaster like everyone keeping Windows XP doesn't happen. So, knowing that, a lot of these IoT things are unsecured by default or share a hardcoded password/random generated password that can be cracked quickly, and the end user never [U]properly[/U] secures them (like not making the password fucking bob123), or ever even really think that they [I]can[/I] be secured, or that they can even be hacked in the first place. Even IT groups in most schools are just as unaware, as demonstrated by the many, many unsecured school webcams mentioned throughout the thread. A wider spread teaching on how to properly use a computer and how to manage basic, but still strong security would help this IoT stuff, as well as security all over the world in general. Because as of now, most people only know how to use their computers to check email and post on Facebook or what have you and get a bunch of viruses on them because they have a several year out of date expired copy of McAfee. There's one more deeper-seated and nigh impossible to solve issue; "Nothing is unhackable." As technology grows and progresses, computers get faster, stronger, smarter and more efficient, which means easier/quicker ways to crack all the encryption methods we have, as we all probably know by now. Currently there are some that are supposedly "uncrackable", and they are for now, but the future's usual breakthroughs and progression, and with quantum computing coming our way, that [B][I][U]PROBABLY, MAYBE[/U][/I][/B] will not hold true for long. However most consumer IoT devices have nothing worth hacking for, so usually, if they have a decently strong encryption, nobody will really bother. Though, that statement alone, "nothing is unhackable", causes even more concerning questions than just the security of a piddly Star Trek fridge from the year 2077. Think about how many extremely sensitive and important things we have out there on the internet that [I]isn't[/I] controlled by an end user, think about how much bad hackers want 'em, and think about how sometimes, they get what they want after a prolonged effort. Kinda scary when it's out of our, the end user's, immediate control like that, huh? But what can we do, short of "nothing uses the internet, ever"? That is my only question.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49593775]With innovation. We've got some smartasses on this planet that can figure stuff like that out. I love them a ton.[/QUOTE]I love you too, but I still can't figure out how to do it cheaply. :v: (Morgen's image recognition is the best practical method I can come up with) [QUOTE=wauterboi;49593775]We have the components to measure weight/mass, the means to communicate information between two places wirelessly, the means store data, and the means to send data over the internet. I see it less as "how does the fridge know" and more as "how do we put these components and concepts together in a way that is efficient"? Because of the controversy surrounding IoT, however, efficiency isn't the only roadblock anymore, but also security and the ethics surrounding security.[/QUOTE]You're right, but I don't think that's anything new. Maybe with electronic devices but this is touching up on some of the oldest concepts of innovation and invention, and as usual these roadblocks are challenges that can doom a lot of projects to a scrapheap. Or at least they should, sometimes people just charge ahead and throw caution to the wind and then their shit gets ruined, but that isn't a new thing at all either. [QUOTE=wauterboi;49593775]I hope I didn't derail the thread with my ideal fridge. For the sake of the rest of the thread, let's assume I have found it within myself to become content with my current fridge.[/QUOTE]If I ever get down to actually doing what you were talking about I'll send you a PM, give you some ideas on how to do stuff. [QUOTE=killerteacup;49593786]you literally used it in that way in the post i quoted you on - and if you had a problem with the way people misused it then that's what you should have said instead of saying that it was outright a stupid term and shouldn't exist. So no I don't understand your frustration with the phrase at all because it's a very useful phrase[/QUOTE]I don't really give enough of a fuck to explain myself when we're clearly just having an issue with semantics. [QUOTE=killerteacup;49593786]I also literally do not understand the second part of your post here. It serves as absolutely no justification to be annoyed with anything. Everyone knows IoT is a growing industry and so yeah maybe it isn't as widespread as you seem to want to believe other people think - but it's getting there and it's the direction that we are headed at the moment[/QUOTE]I never disputed that this is the way things are headed but for fuck's sake everything that we're talking about isn't some cool new thing, it's an old concept that's just gotten recently practical [I]which is what I said.[/I] This isn't new, it annoys me that people act like it's new. All the dumb gimmicky shit that people do with this (hobbyist, commercial, or otherwise) isn't exactly innovative either. Yes, I am impressed by remote-controlled nuclear reactors, robotic surgeons are cool too, but again: they are far and few in-between. [QUOTE=killerteacup;49593786]Actually what I said was that your opinion that the applications of IoT were few and far between was indicative of a lack of imagination, not your opinions about the automation of systems - nice try.[/QUOTE]And your opinion about the scope of IoT applications is naive and fantastical. There, we're even. [editline]23rd January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;49593920]But what can we do, short of "nothing uses the internet, ever"? That is my only question.[/QUOTE]I'd say the best way to approach it is for the general public to accept that no, their stuff is not completely safe and nothing is. A lot of security problems come from people being careless, stupid, or lazy and then wonder why bad things happen to them... actually that's a problem with [U]life[/U] in general. See somebody texting while they're driving? That's the same bad behaviors that lead to somebody fooling their way past security or cracking a simple bob123 password, it's also why feelgood bullshit laws are enacted and why the dumbest motherfuckers get elected.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49593933]I love you too, but I still can't figure out how to do it cheaply. :v: (Morgen's image recognition is the best practical method I can come up with) You're right, but I don't think that's anything new. Maybe with electronic devices but this is touching up on some of the oldest concepts of innovation and invention, and as usual these roadblocks are challenges that can doom a lot of projects to a scrapheap. Or at least they should, sometimes people just charge ahead and throw caution to the wind and then their shit gets ruined, but that isn't a new thing at all either. If I ever get down to actually doing what you were talking about I'll send you a PM, give you some ideas on how to do stuff. I don't really give enough of a fuck to explain myself when we're clearly just having an issue with semantics. I never disputed that this is the way things are headed but for fuck's sake everything that we're talking about isn't some cool new thing, it's an old concept that's just gotten recently practical [I]which is what I said.[/I] This isn't new, it annoys me that people act like it's new. All the dumb gimmicky shit that people do with this (hobbyist, commercial, or otherwise) isn't exactly innovative either. Yes, I am impressed by remote-controlled nuclear reactors, robotic surgeons are cool too, but again: they are far and few in-between. And your opinion about the scope of IoT applications is naive and fantastical. There, we're even. [editline]23rd January 2016[/editline] I'd say the best way to approach it is for the general public to accept that no, their stuff is not completely safe and nothing is. A lot of security problems come from people being careless, stupid, or lazy and then wonder why bad things happen to them... actually that's a problem with [U]life[/U] in general. See somebody texting while they're driving? That's the same bad behaviors that lead to somebody fooling their way past security or cracking a simple bob123 password, it's also why feelgood bullshit laws are enacted and why the dumbest motherfuckers get elected.[/QUOTE] You clearly have no imagination, talent or skill when it comes to computer science or engineering if you think that a secure, beneficial Internet of things is "naive and fantastical"
[QUOTE=geel9;49594589]You clearly have no imagination, talent or skill when it comes to computer science or engineering if you think that a secure, beneficial Internet of things is "naive and fantastical"[/QUOTE]lmao ok I said his [U]opinion[/U] is naive and fantastical, but let's explore this for a bit. What real benefits does an "internet of things" offer besides a trendy buzzword? Yeah we've explored the "smartfridge" and there has been mention of remotely-operated nuclear reactors and robotic surgeons (I'm not sure this qualifies as "an internet" of "things" exactly) but what else is there? please enlighten the simple peasants out there who are crippled with a lack of imagination, talent, and/or skill and explain what benefits "an internet of things" offers right now. I want a network of different devices that utilizes the internet to fulfill their tasks, because that's what [I]really[/I] is implied by the term. An internet of things. Inter. Net. Of course once these things start communicating with each other and don't actually use "the internet" they're more like an "intranet of things," which further supports the idea of automation rather than nagging you on your phone to dick around with your thermostat. That still doesn't make the term sound any less idiotic by the way, an "intranet of things" versus an "internet of things." They're both stupid buzzwords for networked semi-autonomous devices (on a good day, let's face it, this is all about clumsy remote access by humans so autonomy usually isn't even a concern) which was the original opinion I offered that apparently made people like you so very, very upset.
I warned you. Some things should remain on proprietary interface loops, wired or wireless. The internet is not the kind of thing you should be exposing your devices to so recklessly and yet you so readily replaced set standards with it citing they were old or obsolete even though in some cases technically superior.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49594715]lmao ok I said his [U]opinion[/U] is naive and fantastical, but let's explore this for a bit. What real benefits does an "internet of things" offer besides a trendy buzzword? Yeah we've explored the "smartfridge" and there has been mention of remotely-operated nuclear reactors and robotic surgeons (I'm not sure this qualifies as "an internet" of "things" exactly) but what else is there? please enlighten the simple peasants out there who are crippled with a lack of imagination, talent, and/or skill and explain what benefits "an internet of things" offers right now. I want a network of different devices that utilizes the internet to fulfill their tasks, because that's what [I]really[/I] is implied by the term. An internet of things. Inter. Net. Of course once these things start communicating with each other and don't actually use "the internet" they're more like an "intranet of things," which further supports the idea of automation rather than nagging you on your phone to dick around with your thermostat. That still doesn't make the term sound any less idiotic by the way, an "intranet of things" versus an "internet of things." They're both stupid buzzwords for networked semi-autonomous devices (on a good day, let's face it, this is all about clumsy remote access by humans so autonomy usually isn't even a concern) which was the original opinion I offered that apparently made people like you so very, very upset.[/QUOTE] But i never offered you a personal opinion on IoT so [editline]24th January 2016[/editline] But from this post i can see that your strict definition of it is really hindering you here Also none of this would have happened if you weren't such a bellend when pushing your original opinion but your loss i guess idk i think its hugely hypocritical to accuse us of getting worked up when youre the one going postal about a convenient phrase
so is this a private enterprise search engine or something? nothing turns up on search when i try to find my servers and services
-wait this isnt LMAO pics, im going senile- :snip:
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49594990]Is IoT interchangable with "smart-x"? like "smartfridges" or something[/QUOTE] yeah. Just basically put a small computer+a network interface+ ~cloud~ features and you've got an IoT device. Fridge is always going to be the most amusing, since it'll either be a tablet tacked onto the door or some overly designed thing with Smart Egg Trays and Smart Milk Jug+OJ Jug+Cream Jug and... how far do you want to go making sensor containers for a thousand arbitrary food categories? [editline]24th January 2016[/editline] [B]Scenario 1: [/B] Open door, grab milk, carefully smell it. Ok, it's still good! [B]Scenario 2:[/B] Your smartwatch, finally resynced with the smartphone smartfridge smartcloud app tells you the milk is bad. You get home with the new milk. "Fridge Update Required!" "Milk jug Out Of Date. Updating Firmware" "Milk jug not compatible with this Fridge." Give up, open door, grab milk, carefully smell it. yep. it's still good.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49594715]lmao ok I said his [U]opinion[/U] is naive and fantastical, but let's explore this for a bit. What real benefits does an "internet of things" offer besides a trendy buzzword? Yeah we've explored the "smartfridge" and there has been mention of remotely-operated nuclear reactors and robotic surgeons (I'm not sure this qualifies as "an internet" of "things" exactly) but what else is there? please enlighten the simple peasants out there who are crippled with a lack of imagination, talent, and/or skill and explain what benefits "an internet of things" offers right now. I want a network of different devices that utilizes the internet to fulfill their tasks, because that's what [I]really[/I] is implied by the term. An internet of things. Inter. Net. Of course once these things start communicating with each other and don't actually use "the internet" they're more like an "intranet of things," which further supports the idea of automation rather than nagging you on your phone to dick around with your thermostat. That still doesn't make the term sound any less idiotic by the way, an "intranet of things" versus an "internet of things." They're both stupid buzzwords for networked semi-autonomous devices (on a good day, let's face it, this is all about clumsy remote access by humans so autonomy usually isn't even a concern) which was the original opinion I offered that apparently made people like you so very, very upset.[/QUOTE] Okay, let's go down this route. You have a coffee maker that can be programmed to order your favorite coffee grounds from Amazon whenever it's running low. You have a washing machine / dryer that can alert you when it's completed its task without waking up the whole house (as well as purchase additional cleaning supplies when necessary). You have shoes that have integrated sensors that track your workout. You have an oven that can be controlled from your phone to manage complex cooking routines. You have a light bulb that can change its color and power level via the Internet (allowing you to do some really cool home setups without needing expensive equipment). You have speakers that hook up to the Internet so you can play the same song in every room of your house. You have a car that can turn itself on and heat itself so it's warm and toasty when you get inside. You have a thermostat that you can control over the internet. You have a blender that can track your calories when you make shakes. You have locks that you can check the status of from the Internet so you can make sure your house is secure. You have a dishwasher that you can manage from the Internet and can alert you when the dishes are clean (and can also order new cleaning supplies for you). You have a sump pump connected to the Internet so you know if your basement is flooding while you're on vacation. You have a fridge that can order a new water filter for you. You have a toilet that can schedule a plumber, order more toilet paper for you, and alert you to any easily fixed problems. You have a water heater and furnace that can show you your estimated utility costs and how much of everything you're using. You have a carbon monoxide detector / smoke alarm that can give you exact, up to date information and tell you when it's due for a replacement. You have a myriad of technologies available at your fingertips. But no, let's halt all progress because someone is too short sighted to see the massive benefits of the fucking Internet and can't get over a name. Thank you for protecting us from this horrible tragedy that is a slightly odd (in your opinion) name for something that can considerably improve our lives. [editline]24th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=emly;49595790]yeah. Just basically put a small computer+a network interface+ ~cloud~ features and you've got an IoT device. Fridge is always going to be the most amusing, since it'll either be a tablet tacked onto the door or some overly designed thing with Smart Egg Trays and Smart Milk Jug+OJ Jug+Cream Jug and... how far do you want to go making sensor containers for a thousand arbitrary food categories? [editline]24th January 2016[/editline] [B]Scenario 1: [/B] Open door, grab milk, carefully smell it. Ok, it's still good! [B]Scenario 2:[/B] Your smartwatch, finally resynced with the smartphone smartfridge smartcloud app tells you the milk is bad. You get home with the new milk. "Fridge Update Required!" "Milk jug Out Of Date. Updating Firmware" "Milk jug not compatible with this Fridge." Give up, open door, grab milk, carefully smell it. yep. it's still good.[/QUOTE] You clearly aren't a programmer. All you'd need is an NFC chip that contains a unique, random ID for that particular item, the name of the item ("milk") and the date it's set to expire. That's it lol. NFC is incredibly cheap to manufacture and wouldn't need fucking "firmware updates." Don't spew bullshit please.
IoT should be about convenience, control, and being informed of the status of things from remote. To a degree, it is. There shouldn't be a video of 5 nest smoke alarms continually tripping each other until the dude gets so frustrated they all go into a plastic tub to wait out the batteries dying. Or potentially privacy-invading devices directly accessible with known passwords Or massive data breaches of children's cloud photos from their baby tablets.
[QUOTE=geel9;49595845]Okay, let's go down this route. You have a coffee maker that can be programmed to order your favorite coffee grounds from Amazon whenever it's running low. You have a washing machine / dryer that can alert you when it's completed its task without waking up the whole house (as well as purchase additional cleaning supplies when necessary). You have shoes that have integrated sensors that track your workout. [etc...][/QUOTE] The idea that my coffee maker/fridge/whatever has the ability to make purchases on my behalf is concerning because I don't trust the range of appliance companies that, up until now, have absolutely no experience with security to not fail miserably on that front. Car companies already have, and a car can easily kill someone. The concept has promise, but until companies get their act together and actually put security first, it's a terrible idea that is going to cause a lot of issues.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49595906]The idea that my coffee maker/fridge/whatever has the ability to make purchases on my behalf is concerning because I don't trust the range of appliance companies that, up until now, have absolutely no experience with security to not fail miserably on that front. Car companies already have, and a car can easily kill someone. The concept has promise, but until companies get their act together and actually put security first, it's a terrible idea that is going to cause a lot of issues.[/QUOTE] Did you know that computers store everything necessary to steal your identity? Clearly, computers are not safe for public use.
[QUOTE=geel9;49595845]You clearly aren't a programmer. All you'd need is an NFC chip that contains a unique, random ID for that particular item, the name of the item ("milk") and the date it's set to expire. That's it lol. NFC is incredibly cheap to manufacture and wouldn't need fucking "firmware updates." Don't spew bullshit please.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's the likely way things will evolve in the future. Unique IDs that can be used to track individual products from the manufacturing plant all the way to the consumer. It's just incredibly convenient for the automation of the entire process. However I think we'll see 2D barcodes on individual products rather than NFC, because it's more compatible with the existing systems, and however small the cost of NFC is, it's still too much to justify for many products (like milk cartons, and other food in general). NFC will be used for more expensive products like clothing. Recycleable containers would amortize the cost for NFC though.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49592311]How soon until someone dies because their pacemaker got hacked.[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnaby_Jack[/url] and then he died.
why does a fridge need the internet
[QUOTE=geogzm;49596265]why does a fridge need the internet[/QUOTE] Read the thread to find out
[QUOTE=geel9;49595845]Okay, let's go down this route. You have a coffee maker that can be programmed to order your favorite coffee grounds from Amazon whenever it's running low. You have a washing machine / dryer that can alert you when it's completed its task without waking up the whole house (as well as purchase additional cleaning supplies when necessary). You have shoes that have integrated sensors that track your workout. You have an oven that can be controlled from your phone to manage complex cooking routines. You have a light bulb that can change its color and power level via the Internet (allowing you to do some really cool home setups without needing expensive equipment). You have speakers that hook up to the Internet so you can play the same song in every room of your house. You have a car that can turn itself on and heat itself so it's warm and toasty when you get inside. You have a thermostat that you can control over the internet. You have a blender that can track your calories when you make shakes. You have locks that you can check the status of from the Internet so you can make sure your house is secure. You have a dishwasher that you can manage from the Internet and can alert you when the dishes are clean (and can also order new cleaning supplies for you). You have a sump pump connected to the Internet so you know if your basement is flooding while you're on vacation. You have a fridge that can order a new water filter for you. You have a toilet that can schedule a plumber, order more toilet paper for you, and alert you to any easily fixed problems. You have a water heater and furnace that can show you your estimated utility costs and how much of everything you're using. You have a carbon monoxide detector / smoke alarm that can give you exact, up to date information and tell you when it's due for a replacement. You have a myriad of technologies available at your fingertips. But no, let's halt all progress because someone is too short sighted to see the massive benefits of the fucking Internet and can't get over a name. Thank you for protecting us from this horrible tragedy that is a slightly odd (in your opinion) name for something that can considerably improve our lives. [editline]24th January 2016[/editline] You clearly aren't a programmer. All you'd need is an NFC chip that contains a unique, random ID for that particular item, the name of the item ("milk") and the date it's set to expire. That's it lol. NFC is incredibly cheap to manufacture and wouldn't need fucking "firmware updates." Don't spew bullshit please.[/QUOTE] I thought about the NFC route but you would either need every manufacturer to tag their products themselves or go through and put tags on all your groceries. I don't think it would ever take off if people had to do it themselves. A smart fridge like that might be useful but it wouldn't appeal to the masses if people had to do that everytime they went shopping.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49592510]I'm sure that the pacemaker was only transmitting and not receiving, right? Not much you could hack there. [editline]23rd January 2016[/editline] I don't understand why webcams are so hard to secure.[/QUOTE] I know with my Grandad's ICD that not only does it transmit some details the doctor can also active it's defibrillator, so I'm sure thats something anyone could remotely do.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;49592142]sauce : [url]http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/how-to-search-the-internet-of-things-for-photos-of-sleeping-babies/[/url] [/QUOTE] The news title is just creepy. Well the whole idea is creepy as f. But they could have chose a better title
My girlfriends father has made a system where when they throw stuff out, they just scan the barcode and throw it away so that when they decide to go shopping, their computer auto-prints a list of products that they've run out of. But I mean, he's a programmer so it's more of a neat useful hobby project rather than something they depend on.
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