[QUOTE=geel9;49595845]Okay, let's go down this route.
You have a coffee maker that can be programmed to order your favorite coffee grounds from Amazon whenever it's running low. You have a washing machine / dryer that can alert you when it's completed its task without waking up the whole house (as well as purchase additional cleaning supplies when necessary). You have shoes that have integrated sensors that track your workout. You have an oven that can be controlled from your phone to manage complex cooking routines. You have a light bulb that can change its color and power level via the Internet (allowing you to do some really cool home setups without needing expensive equipment). You have speakers that hook up to the Internet so you can play the same song in every room of your house. You have a car that can turn itself on and heat itself so it's warm and toasty when you get inside. You have a thermostat that you can control over the internet. You have a blender that can track your calories when you make shakes. You have locks that you can check the status of from the Internet so you can make sure your house is secure. You have a dishwasher that you can manage from the Internet and can alert you when the dishes are clean (and can also order new cleaning supplies for you). You have a sump pump connected to the Internet so you know if your basement is flooding while you're on vacation. You have a fridge that can order a new water filter for you. You have a toilet that can schedule a plumber, order more toilet paper for you, and alert you to any easily fixed problems. You have a water heater and furnace that can show you your estimated utility costs and how much of everything you're using. You have a carbon monoxide detector / smoke alarm that can give you exact, up to date information and tell you when it's due for a replacement. You have a myriad of technologies available at your fingertips.
But no, let's halt all progress because someone is too short sighted to see the massive benefits of the fucking Internet and can't get over a name. Thank you for protecting us from this horrible tragedy that is a slightly odd (in your opinion) name for something that can considerably improve our lives.
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You clearly aren't a programmer.
All you'd need is an NFC chip that contains a unique, random ID for that particular item, the name of the item ("milk") and the date it's set to expire. That's it lol. NFC is incredibly cheap to manufacture and wouldn't need fucking "firmware updates." Don't spew bullshit please.[/QUOTE]
You could call me a tech enthusiast and even I think that most of this shit is not worth the hassle, suport and ressource waste it causes.
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[QUOTE=geel9;49595915]Did you know that computers store everything necessary to steal your identity? Clearly, computers are not safe for public use.[/QUOTE]
This is laughable considering the thread you are posting in. Did you not read the OP?
[QUOTE=geogzm;49596265]why does a fridge need the internet[/QUOTE]
Because it's a cool experiment right now?
Like, they are unlikely to ever ~need~ the Internet, but we can sure as shit just throw Internet applications at it until we find something novel and functional for that particular appliance. The general direction for fridge/freezer appliances is "monitoring your food stocks", which could be pretty useful as I have lost track of the number of times I've forgotten to pick something like milk up whilst shopping because I thought I had more than I did.
Security is obviously a massive concern with these things, but implementing strong security isn't a massive problem. We have proven encryption algorithms, and we understand the power requirements of computing the digested messages of these algorithms. It's just a case of finding a happy medium between the two and hoping that the end user actually sets the security up decently on their end. In the end, there's only so much handholding these devices can do, people will pick bad passcodes and keep things publicly visible no matter how much you warn them.
[QUOTE=geogzm;49596265]why does a fridge need the internet[/QUOTE]
You in the 1980s: "why do we need the internet"
There's so many ways to secure these things.
I'd much rather that it's done as it is now, so that the idiots who don't know what they're doing gets busted for it when their IP camera spins in a loop playing "you spin me right round"
I still love the idea of the IoT, it's a neat concept from a engineering and scientific point of view. Having the ability to automate a ton of menial tasks around your home, receive updates about things going on in your home that you want to keep an eye on (knowing when you need milk, or if your boiler is acting up before getting to your door). And even outside of the home it has some neat uses around offices (imagine being able to order your coffee from the coffee machine in advance and having it ready by the time you get there!).
As with any emergent technology there are problems to face, standardisation of protocols is a somewhat big one, security is obvious but easier to fix than we want to admit, power consumption is being handled as we speak by various CPU designers (a lot of work going on at Intel for example). It's just a case of making manufacturers more liable for not including proper security options and trying to teach users how to use these systems securely.
[QUOTE=geel9;49595845]Okay, let's go down this route. [/QUOTE]A solid third of that seems like a pretty concerning security risk (my toilet scheduling plumbers and my coffee machine ordering coffee? haha no) and almost all of it is just not worth the goddamn hassle.
[QUOTE=geel9;49595845]But no, let's halt all progress because someone is too short sighted to see the massive benefits of the fucking Internet and can't get over a name. Thank you for protecting us from this horrible tragedy that is a slightly odd (in your opinion) name for something that can considerably improve our lives.[/QUOTE]I never, ever said it was useless because "I can't get over a name." I said the name was stupid, and you started to bawl. I said most of the current applications are just dumb and gimmicky, what I should have added was [I]overhyped[/I] as well, rather than saying "people are acting like this is new/special and it's not." Would have been far shorter, but hey, whatever. In response to that you huffed and you said I wasn't creative lmao
It's a stupid term. Most of it is dumb, gimmicky bullshit that's severely hyped up. I know this really blasts your ass but most of the stuff you listed is just not particularly "wowing" me at all. Even my home automation isn't particularly impressive, I just automated everything in a decently sized aquaponics setup except for the fruit and vegetable harvesting and fish processing. I've noticed that you conveniently glossed over this bit, probably because it shot holes in your ridiculous argument that I was some retarded luddite. So no, I see the benefits, I'm just not fucking drinking the stupid koolaid and not buying the hype and I can do that [I]while[/I] acknowledging that this is the way things are going to go. You won't catch me buying any commercial product that features this sort of crap though, I'll build it myself so that way if I know it'll work the way it ought to work.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49597282]Security is obviously a massive concern with these things, but implementing strong security isn't a massive problem. We have proven encryption algorithms, and we understand the power requirements of computing the digested messages of these algorithms.[/QUOTE]What are you some kind of terrorist!? You don't need encryption! That's for pedophiles, drug dealers, and ISIS! I'm telling my big brother!
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49605513]What are you some kind of terrorist!? You don't need encryption! That's for pedophiles, drug dealers, and ISIS! I'm telling my big brother![/QUOTE]
Look. I didn't want to brag, but I've got some of the tightest encryption out there. So encrypted I can get your fix of ISIS kid-weed without your brother even knowing it exists at all.
The IoT as a name sounds somewhat gimmicky, but this happens to all emergent tech that starts ramping up the hype curve. Don't worry, eventually the term will split into tons of propriety terms that mean the same thing to different manufacturers once we hit the top of the hype cycle and they just start pumping shit out.
But it'll always be the Internet of Things. Because honestly, it's the most descriptive term we have for it. It describes an Inter networking of various things around you in your PAN, LAN and WAN. Even if you build it yourself, it's still an IoT device due to the nature of the term.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49607414]Look. I didn't want to brag, but I've got some of the tightest encryption out there. So encrypted I can get your fix of ISIS kid-weed without your brother even knowing it exists at all.[/QUOTE]I'm trying to call the cops but my phone says out of service DID YOU HACK THE CELLPHONES?
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49607414]But it'll always be the Internet of Things.[/QUOTE]I still don't have to like it though. >:(
IoT has stuck because no one can come up with a funny/catchy word to descrive [Appliances]+[World/Sphere/Global Internet]
IoT is honestly a huge security risk, not specifically because current security practices on the devices aren't quite perfect, but because [B]the average person doesn't have the desire or motivation to learn about security and how computers actually work.[/B]
If you were to go into an average American neighborhood, I'd bet money that most people have simple, short passwords for their wi-fi networks like "john97" or are using WEP, their router's username is admin and the password is password. If they have a computer or smartphone it either has no password because it's inconvenient or have their birthday as their 4 digit password. They probably use the same password for multiple things including their email. They don't run an ad blocker, they use Internet Explorer, their antivirus if they have anything is shit like Norton or McAfee, their webcams are probably on all the time or they put tape over it forgetting that it still transmits sound. Hell, they probably leave a key for the house under the doormat or somewhere close. I know this because nearly 80% of the people I tutor at the senior center I work at do all of these things, [I]and so do their kids and grandkids.[/I]
They just don't have the time, motivation or know-how to learn proper security practices. At this point its impractical for companies to assume their customers will change the default password of their devices. You have to assume every buyer knows jack shit about anything, and during setup you should force them somehow to properly secure their device before it starts to work, walking them through every step like they barely speak English. And even then they're probably going to forget whatever password they put in or are going to use the same password for everything [U]even though they know not to do that[/U] because it's more convenient that way.
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