[QUOTE=The Baconator;37376155]I haven't seen Lankist post in a while so I don't think this will turn into a gun ban thread[/QUOTE]
god would you shut up nobody has brought up gun control apart from whordes of you dudes who are so obsessed with keeping your guns safe that at every given opportunity you remind everyone how innocent gun owners are and how nobody should ever ever try to say otherwise.
[editline]23rd August 2012[/editline]
like did you honestly type that comment out and think "haha! man this is clever, this should definitely be shared with the internet so everyone can see how hilarious and witty i am.."
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37378759]
like did you honestly type that comment out and think "haha! man this is clever, this should definitely be shared with the internet so everyone can see how hilarious and witty i am.."[/QUOTE]
hmm
Well if someone aims their weapon at somebody, sounds to me like they got the intention of killing them. And the cops did give him chances to surrender and drop his weapon, which he did not. So I see no problem here, self defense right?
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;37379031]*Edit* nvm, he did drop the weapon, didn't read completely. But he still aimed it at them right?[/QUOTE]
That bit seemed to have been a typo, as we already discussed.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;37379143]That it seemed to have been a typo, as we already discussed.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, edited it again.
[url]http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/19345393/2012/08/22/for-teens-family-police-video-raises-more-questions[/url]
apparently police have a video that proves he had a gun but aren't releasing it, or even a still frame that shows him with a gun lol
and why were two plain clothes cops chasing him in the first place
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37379321][url]http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/19345393/2012/08/22/for-teens-family-police-video-raises-more-questions[/url]
apparently police have a video that proves he had a gun but aren't releasing it, or even a still frame that shows him with a gun lol
and why were two plain clothes cops chasing him in the first place[/QUOTE]
That article contradicts itself several times, and I believe they gave a reason in the original source the OP showed.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;37379377]That article contradicts itself several times, and I believe they gave a reason in the original source the OP showed.[/QUOTE]
the article said the police reported he had an assault rifle, then quoted the mother as saying it was a shotgun. not sure i see where all these contradictions are, not that it would change the fact that police are apparently withholding another video that proves he had a gun, nor would it explain the police's motives for chasing him. and no, the OP article didn't give a motive as to why the police were chasing a kid up a staircase with guns drawn
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37379321][URL]http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/19345393/2012/08/22/for-teens-family-police-video-raises-more-questions[/URL]
apparently police have a video that proves he had a gun but aren't releasing it, or even a still frame that shows him with a gun lol
and why were two plain clothes cops chasing him in the first place[/QUOTE]
For one I highly doubt officers of the law would shoot and kill an unarmed teenager. Second, they were probably off duty cops, which explains plain clothes, so they may have seen the weapon, asked him to drop it, then he ran off.
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;37379449]For one I highly doubt officers of the law would shoot and kill an unarmed teenager.[/QUOTE]
lmfao
[url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/01/another-trayvon-martin-young-unarmed-black-teenager-shot-by-cops-in-california.html[/url]
[url]http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-06-11/news/32179044_1_officer-richard-haste-cop-nypd-four-years[/url]
[url]http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/dekalb-police-investigate-fatal-1398843.html[/url]
[url]http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/06/13/ramarley-graham-case-richard-haste-pleads-not-guilty-to-manslaughter-in-shooting-of-unarmed-teen/[/url]
i could go on
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;37379449]Second, they were probably off duty cops, which explains plain clothes, so they may have seen the weapon, asked him to drop it, then he ran off.[/QUOTE]
oh sweet we're making stuff up now? because in that case he probably got chased down by two cops and was shot to death for nothing
[editline]23rd August 2012[/editline]
asteroid please make up your mind on whether or not my post was dumb or informative i cant handle your indecisiveness
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37379517]lmfao
[url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/01/another-trayvon-martin-young-unarmed-black-teenager-shot-by-cops-in-california.html[/url]
[url]http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-06-11/news/32179044_1_officer-richard-haste-cop-nypd-four-years[/url]
[url]http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/dekalb-police-investigate-fatal-1398843.html[/url]
[url]http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/06/13/ramarley-graham-case-richard-haste-pleads-not-guilty-to-manslaughter-in-shooting-of-unarmed-teen/[/url]
i could go on
oh sweet we're making stuff up now? because in that case he probably got chased down by two cops and was shot to death for nothing
[editline]23rd August 2012[/editline]
asteroid please make up your mind on whether or not my post was dumb or informative i cant handle your indecisiveness[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying that's what happened, you could be right. Which is why I'm saying probably. So I'm to assume you know exactly what happened?
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;37379561]I'm not saying that's what happened, you could be right. Which is why I'm saying probably. So I'm to assume you know exactly what happened?[/QUOTE]
no i'm asking people to not be so quick to jump on the "cops were justified" train without looking at how dodgy of a case this is
you guys literally went to defend the case before anyone had even posted anything doubtful about it, even though there's plenty to wonder about in this case
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37379429]the article said the police reported he had an assault rifle, then quoted the mother as saying it was a shotgun. not sure i see where all these contradictions are, not that it would change the fact that police are apparently withholding another video that proves he had a gun, nor would it explain the police's motives for chasing him. and no, the OP article didn't give a motive as to why the police were chasing a kid up a staircase with guns drawn[/QUOTE]
Apparently the officers where responding to shots fired in the area when the saw the guy who fit the suspects description, after ordering him to freeze he then ran up the stairs and drew the gun.
And in regards to the contradictions, that article seemed to be poorly written.
[URL]http://www.wtsp.com/rss/article/265875/8/More-fallout-following-police-shooting-of-Tampa-teen[/URL]
[editline]23rd August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37379589]no i'm asking people to not be so quick to jump on the "cops were justified" train without looking at how dodgy of a case this is
you guys literally went to defend the case before anyone had even posted anything doubtful about it, even though there's plenty to wonder about in this case[/QUOTE]
There really didn't appear to be anything dodgy in the op article, granted it was very light on the details. But regardless it still isn't a dodgy case.
[editline]23rd August 2012[/editline]
[quote]"The tragedy of this case, is to have a teenager armed with such a serious and dangerous weapon, an [B]assault style shotgun[/B] .. it's not a toy .. it doesn't belong in the hands of a teenager" said Tampa Police Information Officer Laura McElroy. [/quote]
Who ever wrote that fucking article needs to go back to reporting school. There a wee bit of difference between an assault style shotgun and an assault rifle.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37379589]no i'm asking people to not be so quick to jump on the "cops were justified" train without looking at how dodgy of a case this is
you guys literally went to defend the case before anyone had even posted anything doubtful about it, even though there's plenty to wonder about in this case[/QUOTE]
I still don't see how dodgy this is. Oh and
The Mcdade case, the 911 reporter lied about the man having a gun, so I can bet the cops didn't want to fuck around with a person who may have a gun and may be willing to use it.
The one with the Bronx teen case shows me absolutly no detail as too what happened so I can't really say anything.
You do bring up a point with the one in Dekalb.
The last one, was this the same one as the second case? Or different, I gotta read more on it.
[editline]23rd August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;37379624]Apparently the officers where responding to shots fired in the area when the saw the guy who fit the suspects description, after ordering him to freeze he then ran up the stairs and drew the gun.
And in regards to the contradictions, that article seemed to be poorly written.
[url]http://www.wtsp.com/rss/article/265875/8/More-fallout-following-police-shooting-of-Tampa-teen[/url]
[editline]23rd August 2012[/editline]
There really didn't appear to be anything dodgy in the op article, granted it was very light on the details. But regardless it still isn't a dodgy case.
[editline]23rd August 2012[/editline]
Who ever wrote that fucking article needs to go back to reporting school.[/QUOTE]
It's the fucking media, I bet you if a man killed someone with a banana they would call it an assault weapon.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37379517]lmfao
[url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/01/another-trayvon-martin-young-unarmed-black-teenager-shot-by-cops-in-california.html[/url]
[url]http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-06-11/news/32179044_1_officer-richard-haste-cop-nypd-four-years[/url]
[url]http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/dekalb-police-investigate-fatal-1398843.html[/url]
[url]http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/06/13/ramarley-graham-case-richard-haste-pleads-not-guilty-to-manslaughter-in-shooting-of-unarmed-teen/[/url]
i could go on
oh sweet we're making stuff up now? because in that case he probably got chased down by two cops and was shot to death for nothing
[/QUOTE]
Meanwhile I could post just as many articles of cops getting shot my children and young teens.
Get your head out of your ass.
[QUOTE=Swilly;37379856]Meanwhile I could post just as many articles of cops getting shot my children and young teens.
Get your head out of your ass.[/QUOTE]
hope this doesn't rock your world too much genius but he said he doesn't think cops would shoot an unarmed teenager, to which i replied "yeah they fuckin do" and listed some examples
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37379589]no i'm asking people to not be so quick to jump on the "cops were justified" train without looking at how dodgy of a case this is
you guys literally went to defend the case before anyone had even posted anything doubtful about it, even though there's plenty to wonder about in this case[/QUOTE]
Because dodgy cases ARE THE NORM in police work. No matter what country you're from, the fact of the matter is you'll never know everything, you'll never know all the facts, motivations and reasoning behind a crime or shooting. The fact's were being handed is one article you found that not only contradicted itself several times but brought up EVIDENCE which is rarely shown to the public unless absolutely needed.(This is common procedure, I believe most first world nations follow this)
[editline]23rd August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37379880]hope this doesn't rock your world too much genius but he said he doesn't think cops would shoot an unarmed teenager, to which i replied "yeah they fuckin do" and listed some examples[/QUOTE]
Yeah they do, but with the way you fucking place your words and generally how you respond to these threads, you jump overboard immediately and pretty soon we're gonna get dragged into a conversation we don't wanna have.
And by we, I mean you whose been pushing to stop these discussions THE WHOLE THREAD.
[QUOTE=Swilly;37379893]Yeah they do, but with the way you fucking place your words and generally how you respond to these threads, you jump overboard immediately and pretty soon we're gonna get dragged into a conversation we don't wanna have.
And by we, I mean you whose been pushing to stop these discussions THE WHOLE THREAD.[/QUOTE]
Hey dude, at least someone questioned the legitimacy of what is admittedly a somewhat flimsy case. If the police had proof (image or video) that he did in fact have a gun, why not show it? Someone challenged kopimi that police probably wouldn't shoot an unarmed person, so of course it made sense for him to list examples, and that is not something you can hand-wave because it's a "conversation we don't wanna have".
[QUOTE=Megafan;37380236]Hey dude, at least someone questioned the legitimacy of what is admittedly a somewhat flimsy case. If the police had proof (image or video) that he did in fact have a gun, why not show it? Someone challenged kopimi that police probably wouldn't shoot an unarmed person, so of course it made sense for him to list examples, and that is not something you can hand-wave because it's a "conversation we don't wanna have".[/QUOTE]
Its really not a flimsy case. Unless of course everyone up to the state attornys office is in on it.
[QUOTE=Megafan;37380236]Hey dude, at least someone questioned the legitimacy of what is admittedly a somewhat flimsy case. If the police had proof (image or video) that he did in fact have a gun, why not show it? Someone challenged kopimi that police probably wouldn't shoot an unarmed person, so of course it made sense for him to list examples, and that is not something you can hand-wave because it's a "conversation we don't wanna have".[/QUOTE]
because it's probably evidence, it's not uncommon to keep evidence away from the media
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;37380387]because it's probably evidence, it's not uncommon to keep evidence away from the media[/QUOTE]
and yet they still released the initial video that shows them shooting him, but not the one that shows him drawing a gun from his pants and aiming at the cops?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37380404]and yet they still released the initial video that shows them shooting him, but not the one that shows him drawing a gun from his pants and aiming at the cops?[/QUOTE]
Well remember that video would also show him getting shot several times and killed. I imagine they would be hesitant to release it.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;37380453]Well remember that video would also show him getting shot several times and killed. I imagine they would be hesitant to release it.[/QUOTE]
revealing a still image of him holding a gun before being shot / a censored image of the gun next to what is presumably his body is out of the question then?
[editline]24th August 2012[/editline]
unless they started shooting before he had the gun drawn there would be a perfectly sfw image that could help put the entire case to rest
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37380466]revealing a still image of him holding a gun before being shot / a censored image of the gun next to what is presumably his body is out of the question then?
[editline]24th August 2012[/editline]
unless they started shooting before he had the gun drawn there would be a perfectly sfw image that could help put the entire case to rest[/QUOTE]
Police often are weird with releasing things you would think they would release right away. Just recently with the case of the guy shooting himself in the back of the car. They didn't release the dashboard cam until a couple weeks after the controversy.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37380404]and yet they still released the initial video that shows them shooting him, but not the one that shows him drawing a gun from his pants and aiming at the cops?[/QUOTE]
Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe there isnt a video of him doing that?
[QUOTE=areolop;37381401]Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe there isnt a video of him doing that?[/QUOTE]
did you miss the part where i posted an article that said the police are withholding a video that shows him holding a gun
[editline]24th August 2012[/editline]
kinda an important detail
[QUOTE=W0w00t;37368608][h2]thanks for leaving out the important details
shitbird.[/h2]
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Craptasket))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
what if I told you that
shits can't fly
HA
[QUOTE=Megafan;37380236]Hey dude, at least someone questioned the legitimacy of what is admittedly a somewhat flimsy case. If the police had proof (image or video) that he did in fact have a gun, why not show it? Someone challenged kopimi that police probably wouldn't shoot an unarmed person, so of course it made sense for him to list examples, and that is not something you can hand-wave because it's a "conversation we don't wanna have".[/QUOTE]
Because the police don't have to publicise everything they do? It's not law enforcement procedure anywhere to throw around what could essentially be a snuff movie just because you don't believe them - they've got better things to do. If someone wants to mount a legal challenge (somehow) claiming unwrongful death then it would be appropriate for the police to respond to the challenge through evidence, but you can hardly accuse the police of having something to hide just because they don't want to waste time proving what is obviously an open-and-shut case to every single detractor.
e: I mean this case has already been cleared by the State Attorney's office, do you really expect the police to contact media outlets presenting them with a video of the kid waving a gun (and maybe being shot dead) just because some members of the public still don't believe it?
[QUOTE=Swilly;37368581]You make it sound with the title like the police weren't justified.[/QUOTE]
Don't you know on Facepunch, (Americans) and the police are never justified!
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