[QUOTE=3picFail;42361793]Just because you fear something doesn't mean any reaction is justified. If you get in an accident, bump someone, whatever, you pull over, not drive away.[/QUOTE]
You don't drive away if there aren't about 50 men surrounding you, stopping traffic, not letting you pull over, etc.
[QUOTE=3picFail;42361793]Just because you fear something doesn't mean any reaction is justified. If you get in an accident, bump someone, whatever, you pull over, not drive away.[/QUOTE]
Given the scenario I would give the guy some leeway, to expect him to pull over to a pack of rabid motorbike riders is ridiculous.
I don't understand how you can watch this video and not blame the bikers for being outrageously wreckless. They form a fucking vigilante biker gang to chase this guy down and bash in his window.
[QUOTE=3picFail;42361793]Just because you fear something doesn't mean any reaction is justified. If you get in an accident, bump someone, whatever, you pull over, not drive away.[/QUOTE]
He only started to drive away when the other bikers became belligerent
[QUOTE=3picFail;42361793]Just because you fear something doesn't mean any reaction is justified. If you get in an accident, bump someone, whatever, you pull over, not drive away.[/QUOTE]
what the heck would you do? I'm not praising his reaction, but there's not many other options.
You can clearly see how these bikers are harmless, upstanding members of society by the way they start racing after the SUV and try to force him to stop, likely to make sure the driver apologises for the little mishap
[QUOTE=Shadaez;42361834]what the heck would you do? I'm not praising his reaction, but there's not many other options.[/QUOTE]
I can't speak for what happened when the guy got bumped and he stopped, but what I can say is that there would have to be definite and immediate danger to myself or the persons in the car before I decide to gun it and run people over.
I just doubt that a bunch of guys going out for an annual bike ride were ready to pull some guy out of his car and scrap him for bumping some idiots tire. Sure it would have been scary to have a bunch of bikers surround you, but my assumption is that it they were traveling in a group, and under the circumstances they were stopping as a group, which bikers tend to do.
Please note that I'm not justifying any actions, the bikers were driving recklessly and basically were begging for an accident, but the driver of the SUV shouldn't have expected any better from running people over.
Do you think he wanted to run them over? People do things that they don't want out of fear.
[QUOTE=3picFail;42361993]I can't speak for what happened when the guy got bumped and he stopped, but what I can say is that there would have to be definite and immediate danger to myself or the persons in the car before I decide to gun it and run people over.
I just doubt that a bunch of guys going out for an annual bike ride were ready to pull some guy out of his car and scrap him for bumping some idiots tire. Sure it would have been scary to have a bunch of bikers surround you, but my assumption is that it they were traveling in a group, and under the circumstances they were stopping as a group, which bikers tend to do.
Please note that I'm not justifying any actions, the bikers were driving recklessly and basically were begging for an accident, but the driver of the SUV shouldn't have expected any better from running people over.[/QUOTE]
Given that they later chased him down, smashed the window of his vehicle and hit his face to the point of needing stitches, I'm pretty sure they were more than ready to "pull some guy out and scrap him".
[QUOTE=toaster468;42361814]Given the scenario I would give the guy some leeway, to expect him to pull over to a pack of [b]rabid motorbike riders[/b] is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
But they weren't "rabid bike riders", half of these guys were on enduros, and they were on an annual bike ride. Hell, part of the reason the guy pancaked the bikers was because he was afraid of the stereotypical bike gang type.
[QUOTE=bobsynergy;42361611]Please show me in the above article and video where they "assault" the passengers? the article says that he hit one accidentally and when the bikers surrounded him he feared for his life so that justifies running over them? If they did assault and attack him first sure but nowhere in the video and the article show that. The guy was just scared and decided to run them over which is stupid.
They did that AFTER he ran over a bunch of their friends, in the video do you even see anyone beating the vehicle when they all stop at first? no, does that article mention that? no, that only happens after he decided to run people over.[/QUOTE]
No they did not.
The boxed in the car, then one of the bikers did a "break check" and caused the car to tap the back of the bikers bumper. They proceeded to surround the car and the man tried to get away because they where trying to hurt him and ran over some bikes. None of the bikers died or had injuries...they proceed to follow him and stalk him. Then beat and slash him up sending him into the hospital. All over a dispute that the bikers started to begin with...
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42362026]Given that they later chased him down, smashed the window of his vehicle and hit his face to the point of needing stitches, I'm pretty sure they were more than ready to "pull some guy out and scrap him".[/QUOTE]
This was after he ran a couple guys over. He bumped some guys tire at first, everyone stopped because of the stupid pack mentality that they had. Notice that in the video most of the bikers stop and don't follow the SUV at the off ramp, it was a select group of idiots that did the damage.
[QUOTE=3picFail;42362043]But they weren't "rabid bike riders", half of these guys were on enduros, and they were on an annual bike ride. Hell, part of the reason the guy pancaked the bikers was because he was afraid of the stereotypical bike gang type.[/QUOTE]
He wasn't right about running them over, the bikers aren't right about cutting off the roads, they also aren't right in the way they confronted the situation when THE BIKER STOPPED IN FRONT OF THE SUV.
There's wrongs in both sides, but mainly the bikers, they shouldn't have surrounded the SUV and it could have avoided this accident entirely.
if you drive a car you're part of the problem
[QUOTE=butre;42362087]if you drive a car you're part of the problem[/QUOTE]
how many five month old babies have you seen being carted around on freeways on the backs of motorcycles
This is why the windows in my car are reinforced. Overkill - Yes, but no complaints from me.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;42362105]how many five month old babies have you seen being carted around on freeways on the backs of motorcycles[/QUOTE]
I saw a kid riding in a sidecar not too long ago.
cars take you away from the road and that's a huge problem for basically everyone
[QUOTE=butre;42362129]I saw a kid riding in a sidecar not too long ago.
cars take you away from the road and that's a huge problem for basically everyone[/QUOTE]
How?
[QUOTE=3picFail;42362043]But they weren't "rabid bike riders"[/QUOTE]
How do you describe someone that instead of calling the autorities (since like, you just fucking filmed the whole thing anyway) decides to chase, box in and try to drag the driver out of the vehicle?
We don't know what happened before he started fleeing but something tells me the bikers weren't calmly asking him for his insurance details.
If anything it looks like the first guy that got bumped into was already trying to start shit by breaking in front of him.
Lets break this down.
1. Bikers purposefully brake check the SUV driver, LOOKING FOR TROUBLE.
2. The bikers get mad because the SUV bumped one of the brake-checker's bikes, which is what the biker wanted to happen (or at least make the driver scared through forcing him to stop surrounded by bikers).
3. Bikers start to approach, smack and damage the vehicle while other purposefully block him on the highway (lets not forget the bikers are purposefully blocking an entire highway here).
4. The guy in the SUV knows the bikers did this on purpose and has no other choice but to force his way out of the bikers, running over a couple of bikes, or risk personal injury to himself and his new family.
5. Instead of doing their duty to report this to the cops, the bikers go vigilante and chase after the car with intent to damage it and harm the occupants.
6 When they finally catch up to him, they box him in again and start smashing up his car and breaking the glass while an infant is inside before beating the driver up.
This is an awful example of mob mentality from the bikers, not so different to the psychology of a riot.
A lot of the bikers shown deserve sentences for reckless endangerment of themselves and others, assault and many traffic violations.
What the SUV driver did was entirely self-defence., it was either him or the attackers.
While it's tragic this happened, it was the best series of decisions the SUV driver could make in that situation and he even managed to have no injuries on the biker's side.
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;42362155]How do you describe someone that instead of calling the autorities (since like, you just fucking filmed the whole thing anyway) decides to chase, box in and try to drag the driver out of the vehicle?
We don't know what happened before he started fleeing but something tells me the bikers weren't calmly asking him for his insurance details.
If anything it looks like the first guy that got bumped into was already trying to start shit by breaking in front of him.[/QUOTE]
They chased after him because he just ran over people. I don't know if you've ever been in/seen a hit and run situation, but people will follow the runner while others stay behind and call the cops, you only saw one point of view of the situation.
On the same note that the driver of the SUV reacted due to emotional compromise, a few bikers decided to follow and assault the driver.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42362153]How?[/QUOTE]
Cars do have quite a bit of things that motorcycles don't: A/C, Radio, flips for blocking the sun, people talking to you, places to put food and drink, windshield wipers, flashers, and a whole slew of other things that all take people off of the road, regardless of how well they think they are handling the vehicle. Yes, it's usually pretty simple to take care of all of that, but it doesn't remove the fact that they are distractions.
Motorcycles have what? Breaks, kickstand, throttle, shifters and rear-view mirrors? That's a pretty short list compared to an automobile.
Butre is right, in a sense. Cars are part of the problem, but it's not like they are just going to go away.
[QUOTE=3picFail;42362232]They chased after him because he just ran over people. I don't know if you've ever been in/seen a hit and run situation, but people will follow the runner while others stay behind and call the cops, you only saw one point of view of the situation.
On the same note that the driver of the SUV reacted due to emotional compromise, a few bikers decided to follow and assault the driver.[/QUOTE]
He ran over no one.
In fact, the only person who got injured from the whole thing was the SUV driver when one of the biker smashed his face in.
logic of mob ... feels safe in numbers ...
the SUV driver had family inside and for him was priority protect them
honestly the bikers shall be glad the family inside had no gun ...
p.s it's funnythe have cameras but nobody seems bother record plate to call 911 ...
all the do is swarm crowd tactic anyone 'engulfed' may feel that as threat
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;42361455]Nothing infuriated me more than reading the Daily Mail comments saying the driver was in the right running over bikers, and that they should drive over more of them.[/QUOTE]
What is self-defense.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42362243]He ran over no one.
In fact, the only person who got injured from the whole thing was the SUV driver when one of the biker smashed his face in.[/QUOTE]
Well fuck. I'm not sure where I got that idea.
[QUOTE=valkery;42362241]Cars do have quite a bit of things that motorcycles don't: A/C, Radio, flips for blocking the sun, people talking to you, places to put food and drink, as well as windshield wipers, flashers, and a whole slew of other things that all take people off of the road, regardless of how well they think they are handling the vehicle. Yes, it's usually pretty simple to take care of all of that, but it doesn't remove the fact that they are distractions.
Motorcycles have what? Breaks, kickstand, throttle, shifters and rear-view mirrors? That's a pretty short list compared to an automobile.
Butre is right, in a sense. Cars are part of the problem, but it's not like they are just going to go away.[/QUOTE]
mine doesn't even have mirrors and a buddy of mine rides one with an automatic transmission
[QUOTE=butre;42362271]mine doesn't even have mirrors and a buddy of mine rides one with an automatic transmission[/QUOTE]
Exactly my point. There's really nothing to the damn things.
[QUOTE=3picFail;42362270]Well fuck. I'm not sure where I got that idea.[/QUOTE]
Probably because the OP thinks the bikers did no wrong and so mislabeled the title of the thread to make the SUV driver look like the bad guy.
bikers are self entitled cunts anyway
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