[QUOTE=3picFail;42362866]Why has nobody questioned why the cyclist brake checked the SUV? There was obvious confrontation between the two before the rider stopped the SUV. I'm very curious as to why he chose to do that.[/QUOTE]
rewatching it, it did seem too planned
they all go infront of him then they do that, get out, box him in, and god knows what
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42362757]Your evidence is solely personal experiences, which is the very definition of an anecdote.[/QUOTE]
According to several different dictionaries, the definition is
"A short story about an interesting or funny event or
occurrence"
If i told you one story, such as, "On Friday, a biker cut me off," thatd be an anecdote. If i told you several, "On Friday, a biker cut me off. On Saturday, one tailgated me." Thatd be several anecdotes.
However, ive just stated facts about bikers. Then, you could consider the breakdown of facts anecdotes.
However, theres nothing wrong with an anecdote to begin with.
The definition is pretty broad, even a news article is an anecdote
Sorry, but if you box me in and make me feel like my family's safety is at risk, and you're in the way, I will run you over. I don't give a shit who you are. Will I be glad about it? Fuck no, I never want to run someone over, but when it comes down to my family or you, you're gonna be further down the list than they are.
The biker brake checks the SUV driver which surprisingly the SUV driver bumps him so the biker gets pissed for some reason and gets all his buddies to stop. You see in the video the bikers stop in the middle of the road and some start walking towards him. Angry bikers surrounding your wife and 5 month year old baby what would you do? Not trying to justify him running them over but them chasing him and the smashing his window?
Notice how the SUV driver was the only one admitted to the hospital.
[QUOTE=J!NX;42362815]
did you watch the fucking video
is this guy for real
really?
Did you skip around the video and THEN decide you'd like to white knight?
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did you watch the video? The SUV is stopped. The guy with the camera stops, and looks back to the scene. There is one person in a white helmet next to the driver door of the car. It appears that the driver and the person in the white helmet are talking. The guy in the helmet backs off, then the SUV plows through the crowd.
[QUOTE=butre;42362087]if you drive a car you're part of the problem[/QUOTE]
There's a lot of stupid statements in this thread, but this one stands out, and I kinda wanna hear what the reasoning for it is. Explain.
[QUOTE=3picFail;42362919]did you watch the video? The SUV is stopped. The guy with the camera stops, and looks back to the scene. There is one person in a white helmet next to the driver door of the car. It appears that the driver and the person in the white helmet are talking. The guy in the helmet backs off, then the SUV plows through the crowd.[/QUOTE]
You also fail to mention anything before that or the boxing in
before it actually seemed like you didn't watch it either and just skipped around, so funny you say that, as I actually did, many times actually.
something tells me the SUV guy was being harassed, the bikers seem to have a very aggressive mentality. Even without that, being surrounded obviously can't help.
even simply being intimidated is enough to justify self defense.
You also gotta remember that the bikers must have provoked the driver to have him to even consider running down them all instead of calling the police.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;42362922]There's a lot of stupid statements in this thread, but this one stands out, and I kinda wanna hear what the reasoning for it is. Explain.[/QUOTE]
I already did.
[QUOTE=valkery]Cars do have quite a bit of things that motorcycles don't: A/C, Radio, flips for blocking the sun, people talking to you, places to put food and drink, windshield wipers, flashers, and a whole slew of other things that all take people off of the road, regardless of how well they think they are handling the vehicle. Yes, it's usually pretty simple to take care of all of that, but it doesn't remove the fact that they are distractions.
Motorcycles have what? Breaks, kickstand, throttle, shifters and rear-view mirrors? That's a pretty short list compared to an automobile.
Butre is right, in a sense. Cars are part of the problem, but it's not like they are just going to go away.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=J!NX;42362930]You also fail to mention anything before that or the boxing in
before it actually seemed like you didn't watch it either and just skipped around
something tells me the SUV guy was being harassed, the bikers seem to have a very aggressive mentality.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, I figured that you watched the video already and that I didn't have to explain past the part that you were implying that aydin was wrong.
Wow so many bad asses in these threads, wonder why I never see them outside. Maybe a computer chair grants some kind of superman strength?
Oh, damn, I was coming home on the Hudson Parkway when this happened. That would explain why there was absolutely nobody on the road past 133rd St.
That was such a shitty move on the bikers' part. Hope the driver is alright.
[QUOTE=3picFail;42362982]I'm sorry, I figured that you watched the video already and that I didn't have to explain past the part that you were implying that aydin was wrong.[/QUOTE]
Aydin seems to be lacking any real ability to watch it himself really
[QUOTE=El Dilbert;42362988]Wow so many bad asses in these threads, wonder why I never see them outside. Maybe a computer chair grants some kind of superman strength?[/QUOTE]
Who?
[QUOTE=valkery;42362947]I already did.[/QUOTE]
fyi if you can't manage to do any of those and drive safely at the same time you probably shouldn't be controlling anything that has wheels
[QUOTE=evilweazel;42363012]fyi if you can't manage to do any of those and drive safely at the same time you probably shouldn't be controlling anything that has wheels[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I know. I didn't say it wasn't ridiculously easy to do those things and still manage to properly handle a car, did I?
No. What I [I]did[/I] say, is that those things are distractions, and ones that do not and cannot exist on a regular motorcycle.
[QUOTE=J!NX;42362930]
even simply being intimidated is enough to justify self defense.[/QUOTE]
Depends on what is considered self defense. The driver of the SUV was obviously intimidated enough to run through(?) a group of bikers, but is this justifiable self defense? He put lives in danger due to his actions, lives of people who weren't directly involved. Actually both the rider and the driver of the SUV endangered people around them, and both should be held accountable for their actions.
[QUOTE=3picFail;42363039]Depends on what is considered self defense. The driver of the SUV was obviously intimidated enough to run through(?) a group of bikers, but is this justifiable self defense? He put lives in danger due to his actions, lives of people who weren't directly involved. Actually both the rider and the driver of the SUV endangered people around them, and both should be held accountable for their actions.[/QUOTE]
He didn't actually hit anyone anyways and even if he did, then maybe the two should have not make a mob out of it and instead should have both talked it out?
What other use is there in boxing him in and all that, that's taking it too far to start.
that and to avoid being beat, he DOES have to "Hit the pedal"
[QUOTE=valkery;42363036]Yeah, I know. I didn't say it wasn't ridiculously easy to do those things and still manage to properly handle a car, did I?
No. What I [I]did[/I] say, is that those things are distractions, and ones that do not and cannot exist on a regular motorcycle.[/QUOTE]
how are they distractions at all? I pay attention to the road because I know what I'm doing, not jerk off and do make up and change my cloths like an idiot would do, and I have minor ADD.
if anything motor cycles to me are a far bigger distraction
they can swerve FAR easier, much easier to kill the person, easier to speed in, easier to die in. Very much loud. Normal cars don't have a problem with me.
people that actually know how to drive can't possibly be distracted by cars like seriously what the hell are you even saying
fuck that elitist bike mentality too. Cars have 2-8 passengers and a trunk. Bikes don't. Car's are easy to drive as well.
[QUOTE=valkery;42363036]Yeah, I know. I didn't say it wasn't ridiculously easy to do those things and still manage to properly handle a car, did I?
No. What I [I]did[/I] say, is that those things are distractions, and ones that do not and cannot exist on a regular motorcycle.[/QUOTE]
Any decent driver knows how to ignore the distractions and drive properly.
Also, some motorcycles do have radios, blinkers, etc. Radios are pretty common where im at
x5 multiplier
[QUOTE=butre;42362501]bikes have bigger brakes than you do. a biker can stop basically on a dime
lane splitting isn't illegal, it's actually encouraged in most places.
lane splitting still isn't illegal
I've seen more cars drag racing than I have bikes
car drivers screw around a lot too[/QUOTE]
I thought lane splitting in the US was only legal in California.
[QUOTE=butre;42362087]if you drive a car you're part of the problem[/QUOTE]
fucking brilliant
I ride both bikes and drive cars not only on roads but on tracks
you must be some irresponsible organ donor on a sport bike or not drive at all lmfao
yeah haha you know, something 3/4 of the nation drives is one hell of a problem!
[QUOTE=n0cturni;42363091]I thought lane splitting in the US was only legal in California.[/QUOTE]
it's explicitly legal in california, it's simply not on the books elsewhere. the way law in the united states works is if it's not illegal then it's illegal
Yep, the guy felt threatened so his wreck less actions that in my eyes look like multiple acts of attempted vehicular manslaughter were totally justified. I mean by that logic I should be able run over any threatening individual who gets near my vehicle or cuts me off.
Also, when he plowed through the blockade, he actually did run over one of the riders breaking his leg.
[QUOTE=valkery;42362947]I already did.[/QUOTE]
I was expecting a better argument than that. Do you honestly think people who drive cars just play with the windshield wipers, sun-blockers, and turning signals the whole time?
I could flip it around and say bikers are dangerous because they lack wipers in the rain, are prone to being blinded by sunlight, and they do have turning signals which makes the statement invalid.
[QUOTE=aydin690;42363170]Yep, the guy felt threatened so his wreck less actions that in my eyes look like multiple acts of attempted vehicular manslaughter were totally justified. I mean by that logic I should be able run over any threatening individual who gets near my vehicle or cuts me off.
Also, when he plowed through the [B]blockade[/B], he actually did run over one of the riders breaking his leg.[/QUOTE]
key word
blockade
because making a blockade and surrounding someone totally isn't agressive
especially "Because they mad" over something they did. Not the SUV.
[QUOTE=FordLord;42363072]Any decent driver knows how to ignore the distractions and drive properly.
Also, some motorcycles do have radios, blinkers, etc. Radios are pretty common where im at[/QUOTE]
I consider myself a pretty decent driver. I can still be distracted by stupid shit. Say you are in DC beltway traffic (i've been there a lot, it isn't pretty). Looking down to change a station, hitting a bump and spilling a drink, being a fucktard like most of the people in the beltway... Any one of those things can cause you to wreck. I don't care how careful you are [I]most[/I] of the time, it's the one second zone out that kills people.
I'm not saying that it's not possible, or even likely, that people can't be distracted or dickish on a motorcycle. All I'm saying is that there are less distractions on one of them, then there are in a car.
Throw out the "oh, if you can't handle a cup holder, you must just be a shitty driver." argument all you want. It doesn't change the fact that a distraction is a distraction, regardless of how insignificant it may seem.
[QUOTE=J!NX;42363186]key word
blockade
because making a blockade and surrounding someone totally isn't agressive
especially "Because they mad" over something they did[/QUOTE]
You can legally try and stop somebody from leaving the scene of a crime. He had just hit a biker and was trying to leave the scene.
[QUOTE=aydin690;42363170]Also, when he plowed through the blockade, he actually did run over one of the riders breaking his leg.[/QUOTE]
[quote]An NYPD spokesman told MailOnline the Lien was taken to hospital and treated for lacerations to his face and body.
He said there were no other injuries reported from the incident.[/quote]
I love how people are blaming the guy in the Jeep.
Basically, these morons decided to surround and harass him as he was driving down the road. One guy decides to brake check him just to be a cheeky bastard. He gets hit and of course it's the Jeep's fault. The bikers then all unlawfully surround and prevent any route of escape for the individual. This is called unlawful detainment. Being surrounded and attacked by a large group he was completely justified in using his vehicle as a weapon to breach through and escape if he felt he, his wife, or his child were in danger of serious bodily harm or death...and it's easy to argue that when you have a large group of people preventing you from moving anywhere bashing on your vehicle.
These bikers further proved their intentions by chasing and continuing to attack the vehicle rather than following it, getting the plate, and calling the police. They just wanted a fight.
Thankfully no one was killed in this mess.
[QUOTE=aydin690;42363205]You can legally try and stop somebody from leaving the scene of a crime. He had just hit a biker and was trying to leave the scene.[/QUOTE]
did you also see the end of the video where the SUV eventually stops and the bikers start attacking his car???
I also saw he did hit the biker but only tipped him over
you seem to act as if he went literally OVER them
not only that but "Scene of the crime", for all you know they could have been screaming at him and threatening him.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;42363215].[/QUOTE]
he's been told that multiple times and just sticks his fingers in his ears
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