[QUOTE=J!NX;42363051]He didn't actually hit anyone anyways and even if he did, then maybe the two should have not make a mob out of it and instead should have both talked it out?
What other use is there in boxing him in and all that, that's taking it too far to start.
that and to avoid being beat, he DOES have to "Hit the pedal"
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They should have talked it out. It seemed like they were actually trying to, but the other bikers did box the SUV in. And we can only assume that the bikers were going to beat him up. The driver probably assumed that, and assumed it too soon.
And the SUV did hit people, just nobody was reported to be injured.
[QUOTE=aydin690;42363205]You can legally try and stop somebody from leaving the scene of a crime. He had just hit a biker and was trying to leave the scene.[/QUOTE]
you can legally defend yourself too
[QUOTE=aydin690;42363205]You can legally try and stop somebody from leaving the scene of a crime. He had just hit a biker and was trying to leave the scene.[/QUOTE]
Only if it's a felony. An accident where no damage was likely caused between the jackass doing the brake checking and the Jeep is a mere fender bender. At most a minor misdemeanor charge on the Jeep driver for clear distance.
They had no right to surround or detain the Jeep period.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;42363215]An NYPD spokesman told MailOnline the Lien was taken to hospital and treated for lacerations to his face and body.
He said there were no other injuries reported from the incident.[/QUOTE]
You're quoting dailymail. The shittiest and most unreliable 'news' source. For fucks sake, they reported the kid is 5 months to make it more sensational, the kid is 2 years old btw. All other new sources like cbs are reporting he ran over one person breaking his leg.
[QUOTE=aydin690;42363246]You're quoting dailymail. The shittiest and most unreliable 'news' source. For fucks sake, they reported the kid is 5 months to make it more sensational, the kid is 2 years old btw. All other new sources like cbs are reporting he ran over one person breaking his leg.[/QUOTE]
you mean like breaking a leg out of self defense? lol
[QUOTE=valkery;42363190]I consider myself a pretty decent driver. I can still be distracted by stupid shit. Say you are in DC beltway traffic (i've been there a lot, it isn't pretty). Looking down to change a station, hitting a bump and spilling a drink, being a fucktard like most of the people in the beltway... Any one of those things can cause you to wreck. I don't care how careful you are [I]most[/I] of the time, it's the one second zone out that kills people.
I'm not saying that it's not possible, or even likely, that people can't be distracted or dickish on a motorcycle. All I'm saying is that there are less distractions on one of them then there are in a car.
Throw out the "oh, if you can't handle a cup holder, you must just be a shitty driver." argument all you want. It doesn't change the fact that a distraction is a distraction, regardless of how insignificant it may seem.[/QUOTE]
It pretty much does boil down to people being shitty drivers for not being able to handle a cupholder.
If you know how to handle a distraction, you wont have issues.
If you look down to change the station, hit potholes and spill drinks, you are a pretty bad driver.
First off, learn to change stations without even looking. Ive owned 3 radios in my car, ive learned to change stations on all of them without looking.
Second, what are you even doing with a drink that spills?
In my car, i can put a can in, and hit all the potholes i want without spilling a drop. I can put a bottle there too without spilling.
AC, heat controls, etc. Learn to set them before taking off. Got to change settings on the move? Learn how to without looking
[QUOTE=aydin690;42363246]You're quoting dailymail. The shittiest and most unreliable 'news' source. For fucks sake, they reported the kid is 5 months to make it more sensational, the kid is 2 years old btw. All other new sources like cbs are reporting he ran over one person breaking his leg.[/QUOTE]
None of this changes the fact that he was getting the shit kicked out of him. Imagine this been a guy with a shopping cart who rear-ended some dick in the grocery store who purposely walked in front of him and then stopped; had a bunch of his buddies get all pissed and start hitting the guy with the shopping cart while his toddler sits in the front of the shopping cart; the shopping cart guy starts running, hits a bunch more dudes with the cart as he flees for his life, and then gets sent into the hospital because he'd been cut so bad.
The guy literally ran away. There was no malicious intent what-so-ever.
[QUOTE=valkery;42363293]None of this changes the fact that he was getting the shit kicked out of him. Imagine this been a guy with a shopping cart who rear-ended some dick in the grocery store who purposely walked in front of him and then stopped; had a bunch of his buddies get all pissed and start hitting the guy with the shopping cart while his toddler sits in the front of the shopping cart; the shopping cart guy starts running, hits a bunch more dudes with the cart as he flees for his life, and then gets sent into the hospital because he'd been cut so bad.
The guy literally ran away. There was no malicious intent what-so-ever.[/QUOTE]
if the SUV driver backed up fast, THEN forward, and slammed brakes whenever someone tailed him then yeah, that'd be malicious
but that didn't happen.
[QUOTE=J!NX;42363221]did you also see the end of the video where the SUV eventually stops and the bikers start attacking his car???
I also saw he did hit the biker but only tipped him over
you seem to act as if he went literally OVER them
not only that but "Scene of the crime", for all you know they could have been screaming at him and threatening him.
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I keep watching the video, but I can't seem to find a point in which the riders attacked the car in the initial incident. It seems like they boxed the car in and one of the cyclists approached the driver to talk.
And people keep saying that he didn't really hit anyone, but there is clearly more than one person tipped over, and there is a person under the car as it drives away (@00:53, pause it).
[QUOTE=J!NX;42363221]did you also see the end of the video where the SUV eventually stops and the bikers start attacking his car???[/QUOTE]
Yeah, maybe because he had tried to kill at least a few rider just a few mins ago.
[QUOTE=aydin690;42363319]Yeah, maybe because he had tried to kill at least a few rider just a few mins ago.[/QUOTE]
lol because it's totally clear he wants to [B]kill[/B] them, VS self defense?
they didn't defend themselves afterwards, they followed him and attacked him AFTER the threat of the SUV was over.
when you shoot a robber pointing a gun at you, its self defense
when you shoot him after he's surrendered or ran away, that's assault.
if you start intimidating someone, and they hit you, and you wonder why and get all pissed off, you probably should just walk away rather than hunting them down and beating the shit out of them.
[QUOTE=FordLord;42363280]It pretty much does boil down to people being shitty drivers for not being able to handle a cupholder.
If you know how to handle a distraction, you wont have issues.
If you look down to change the station, hit potholes and spill drinks, you are a pretty bad driver.
First off, learn to change stations without even looking. Ive owned 3 radios in my car, ive learned to change stations on all of them without looking.
Second, what are you even doing with a drink that spills?
In my car, i can put a can in, and hit all the potholes i want without spilling a drop. I can put a bottle there too without spilling.
AC, heat controls, etc. Learn to set them before taking off. Got to change settings on the move? Learn how to without looking[/QUOTE]
You are still leaning over to do shit on the dash. Your eyes are on the road, your hands are still on the wheel, but your mind is now thinking "damn, this is a shitty song, and I'm cold in here." You aren't invested fully in the road. Yeah, doing those things without looking is a mark of a good driver, but it's still distracting you, even if your eyes never leave the road.
[QUOTE=3picFail;42363312]I keep watching the video, but I can't seem to find a point in which the riders attacked the car in the initial incident. It seems like they boxed the car in and one of the cyclists approached the driver to talk.
And people keep saying that he didn't really hit anyone, but there is clearly more than one person tipped over, and there is a person under the car as it drives away (@00:53, pause it).[/QUOTE]
From what i gathered after he tripped the first rider, they boxed him in and were telling him to turn off his car till the cops come but when he refused one of the riders tried to slash his tires (even though the method is questionable, if you hit a person, you must stop and check on the person, if the person is trying to leave the scene, you can try and stop them). That's when he plowed through at least 3 motorcycles and ran over one of them, breaking his leg.
its the bikers fault initially, but from what I can see in the video there was no reason to run a bunch of people over. what happens after that is totally justifiable, for both parties.
[QUOTE=valkery;42363331]You are still leaning over to do shit on the dash. Your eyes are on the road, your hands are still on the wheel, but your mind is now thinking "damn, this is a shitty song, and I'm cold in here." You aren't invested fully in the road. Yeah, doing those things without looking is a mark of a good driver, but it's still distracting you, even if your eyes never leave the road.[/QUOTE]
I dont have to lean over to do any of that.
My eyes stay on the road, hands stay on the wheel, i dont even take my mind off driving to do it.
You can change stations, air settings, etc, without letting it distract you, if youre actually a good driver and know what youre doing
[QUOTE=aydin690;42363356]From what i gathered after he tripped the first rider, they boxed him in and were telling him to turn off his car till the cops come but when he refused one of the riders tried to slash his tires (even though the method is questionable, if you hit a person, you must stop and check on the person, if the person is trying to leave the scene, you can try and stop them). That's when he plowed through at least 3 motorcycles and running over one of them, breaking his leg.[/QUOTE]
You can NOT forcefully stop someone from fleeing the scene of a minor accident. The initial accident, or rather, purposeful action by the biker to create one, was NOT a felony.
Slashing a tire would not have been justified. If the driver saw the knife...it would only further make his decision solid in what he did.
[editline]1st October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=aydin690;42363319]Yeah, maybe because he had tried to kill at least a few rider just a few mins ago.[/QUOTE]
Not at all justification to chase someone down and continue to attack them after they are no longer an active threat. The proper thing to do would have been to note the plate, follow the vehicle, and call the police.
[QUOTE=aydin690;42363356]From what i gathered after he tripped the first rider, they boxed him in and were telling him to turn off his car till the cops come but when he refused one of the riders tried to slash his tires (even though the method is questionable, if you hit a person, you must stop and check on the person, if the person is trying to leave the scene, you can try and stop them). That's when he plowed through at least 3 motorcycles and running over one of them, breaking his leg.[/QUOTE]
the biker is the one that hits him
the biker looks right at the dude, slows down and bumps into him
then they box him in, try and slash his tires and surround him.
and after they get plowed to escape serious shit they hunt him down and attack him instead of letting authorities handle it. Obviously, using a shit mob mentality.
seriously you're just sounding really silly as fuck now.
the fact you also think it was ok to hunt him down and beat him up makes me think I'd rather argue with a creationist. The crazy kind.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;42363374]You can NOT forcefully stop someone from fleeing the scene of a minor accident. The initial accident, or rather, purposeful action by the biker to create one, was NOT a felony.
Slashing a tire would not have been justified. If the driver saw the knife...it would only further make his decision solid in what he did.[/QUOTE]
An accident involving a tripped motorcyclist is never considered a minor accident and the person must get off and check on him.
[QUOTE=aydin690;42363356]From what i gathered after he tripped the first rider, they boxed him in and were telling him to turn off his car till the cops come but when he refused one of the riders tried to slash his tires (even though the method is questionable, if you hit a person, you must stop and check on the person, if the person is trying to leave the scene, you can try and stop them). That's when he plowed through at least 3 motorcycles and ran over one of them, breaking his leg.[/QUOTE]
It's like you're telling me if I accidentally bump into someone while walking in the street they're allowed to tackle me to the ground and beat me unconscious to make sure I'm not going to run away
[QUOTE=J!NX;42363393]the biker is the one that hits him
the biker looks right at the dude, slows down and bumps into him
then they box him in, try and slash his tires and surround him.
and after they get plowed to escape serious shit they hunt him down and attack him instead of letting authorities handle it. Obviously, using a shit mob mentality.
seriously you're just sounding really silly as fuck now.
the fact you also think it was ok to hunt him down and beat him up makes me think I'd rather argue with a creationist. The crazy kind.[/QUOTE]
Paragraphs, use them, shit's annoying to read. No, you're the blind one here. I don't think the riders were 100% innocent. However, i don't think the driver is innocent either. Both sides are assholes. After tripping the first rider, he should have just stayed there till the cops came. Initially nobody was really doing anything threatening, they were just trying to make sure he's not getting away and asking him to turn off his car.
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Motorcycles have what? Breaks, kickstand, throttle, shifters and rear-view mirrors? That's a pretty short list compared to an automobile.
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You forgot volume knobs. You know, for waking those lazy people sleeping in their homes at night.
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;42363420]It's like you're telling me if I accidentally bump into someone while walking in the street they're allowed to tackle me to the ground and beat me unconscious to make sure I'm not going to run away[/QUOTE]
They didn't do that. They boxed him in and were asking him to turn off his car.
[QUOTE=FordLord;42363368]I dont have to lean over to do any of that.
My eyes stay on the road, hands stay on the wheel, i dont even take my mind off driving to do it.
You can change stations, air settings, etc, without letting it distract you, if youre actually a good driver and know what youre doing[/QUOTE]
I guess my only real beef with your argument now, is that most people are not, and never will be, good drivers. You can expect to meet maybe a couple dozen of them in a 6 hour car ride down the east coast, and the rest will be mediocre/shit at driving.
[QUOTE=aydin690;42363436]Paragraphs, use them, shit's annoying to read. No, you're the blind one here. I don't think the riders were 100% innocent. However, i don't think the driver is innocent either. Both sides are assholes. After tripping the first rider, he should have just stayed there till the cops came. Initially nobody was really doing anything threatening, they were just trying to make sure he's not getting away and asking him to turn off his car.[/QUOTE]
Bikers made the mistake of trying to force him to stay.
Humans have a basic 'fight or flight' sense when they feel threatened. Driver chooses to flight rather than fight the bikers, considering theres more of them.
Bikers couldve avoided the entire thing by writing down his license plate number, as well as vehicle make/model/color, and reporting to authorities.
[editline]30th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=valkery;42363467]I guess my only real beef with your argument now, is that most people are not, and never will be, good drivers. You can expect to meet maybe a couple dozen of them in a 6 hour car ride down the east coast, and the rest will be mediocre/shit at driving.[/QUOTE]
Thats pretty much how things are, sadly. A great driver does things as i said, a good one does most of it, a bad ones all over the road watching their phone and doing everything wrong, a shit one is in the ditch every time you see them
Something like this happened in a small town called Hailsham in England a few years ago, me and a friend got in a taxi and before the taxi driver could go the car was swarmed with violent chav types. The taxi driver was indirectly killed from his injuries, 2 of my friends were badly beaten and i got away (i was the one that managed to call the police). The chavs all went down for 25 years for arson and manslaughter.
There are some very crazed people out there, they can attack without warning anywhere and that's why I will always carry a zapper and pepper spray with me, and own several swords (that I know how to use) at home.
[QUOTE=aydin690;42363170]Yep, the guy felt threatened so his wreck less actions that in my eyes look like multiple acts of attempted vehicular manslaughter were totally justified. I mean by that logic I should be able run over any threatening individual who gets near my vehicle or cuts me off.
Also, when he plowed through the blockade, he actually did run over one of the riders breaking his leg.[/QUOTE]
are you a drooling post lobotomy caveman because that is literally the only way i can see you actually being this fucking dense
[QUOTE=aydin690;42363408]An accident involving a tripped motorcyclist is never considered a minor accident and the person must get off and check on him.[/QUOTE]
he was asking for it by brake checking him. that is a felony. intentionally trying to cause an accident is illegal everywhere
[QUOTE=Chaoss86;42363561]Something like this happened in a small town called Hailsham in England a few years ago, me and a friend got in a taxi and before the taxi driver could go the car was swarmed with violent chav types. The taxi driver was indirectly killed from his injuries, 2 of my friends were badly beaten and i got away (i was the one that managed to call the police). The chavs all went down for 25 years for arson and manslaughter.
There are some very crazed people out there, they can attack without warning anywhere and that's why I will always carry a zapper and pepper spray with me, and own several swords (that I know how to use) at home.[/QUOTE]
Oh man, I live 5 minutes from Hailsham near Heathfield and everyone around knows Hailsham is that kind of place (shithole)
Things like this always seem to attract people that think motorcyclists can do no wrong, even when they are clearly breaking the law.
[QUOTE=FordLord;42362713]Technically, not an anecdote.
Im not telling you about an incident.
Im not writing out a story for you.
Im presenting evidence as to why i believe bikers are pretty bad[/QUOTE]
If there's one thing I've learned from riding on the road it's that you can't judge a person's attitude by the vehicle type they drive. I've seen cyclists, cars, vans, trucks and other bikers act like both model citizens and hooligans regardless of their mode of transport.
[editline]1st October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=aydin690;42363449]They didn't do that. They boxed him in and were asking him to turn off his car.[/QUOTE]
Where are you getting this info?
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