Calif. tax officials: Legal pot would bring $1.4B - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sams Brume;16095830]People are going to kill people either way too, but you don't see us legalizing murder.[/QUOTE] You're not too sharp huh?

[QUOTE=Athena;16096382]Because [b]purposefully taking one's life[/b] is on the same scale as [b]growing and harvesting a plant[/b].[/QUOTE] "[b]People are going to do it anyways, let's legalize it[/b]"

[QUOTE=Sams Brume;16103038]"[b]People are going to do it anyways, let's legalize it[/b]"[/QUOTE] The analogy isn't comparable, as smoking marijuana does absolutely no harm to anyone else, and a demonstrably small amount of harm to yourself. Murder is in no way analogous to the consumption of cannabis.

[QUOTE=RichardNixon;16093856]I don't quite understand how this will get them 1.4 billion, smuggling will still exist and drug dealers will still sell it, maybe even more aggressively. California will be in a price war with the gangs, once supply is up the price will drop making the tax free hook-up that you've had since you were a wee little boy more desirable than the heavily(see cigarettes) taxed government approved weed. In other words, California has proven to be defunct yet again.[/QUOTE] In otherwords you're stupid. Smuggling? Bahahah no. Pot Dealers? perhaps them buying it for kids under 21, but thats about it. Gangs and shit? if it becomes legal they will just set up a shop, it's faster/effecent/less dangerious and more people will go to a store over a dealer even if the prices are higher simply because who's gonna trust some shady dude they hardly know, or a place thats inspected and put up to code and is established business?

[QUOTE=Llivavin;16103314]In otherwords you're stupid. Smuggling? Bahahah no. Pot Dealers? perhaps them buying it for kids under 21, but thats about it. Gangs and shit? if it becomes legal they will just set up a shop, it's faster/effecent/less dangerious and more people will go to a store over a dealer even if the prices are higher simply because who's gonna trust some shady dude they hardly know, or a place thats inspected and put up to code and is established business?[/QUOTE] Smuggling? Bahahah yes, or were you too busy playing video games to remember how a large percentage of weed gets into this nation? Pot dealers, I just explained this in my post, they're going to tax weed just like cigarettes causing it to be cheaper. When you're living in this whole "OMFG RECESSION SAVE MONEY!!!1" world, people are going to continue going to drug dealers. Drug dealers aren't shady, you need to stop buying into that stranger danger bullshit.

Legalization here we come.

[QUOTE=RichardNixon;16103578]Smuggling? Bahahah yes, or were you too busy playing video games to remember how a large percentage of weed gets into this nation? Pot dealers, I just explained this in my post, they're going to tax weed just like cigarettes causing it to be cheaper. When you're living in this whole "OMFG RECESSION SAVE MONEY!!!1" world, people are going to continue going to drug dealers. Drug dealers aren't shady, you need to stop buying into that stranger danger bullshit.[/QUOTE] WEED IS GROWN here in the US Cocaine and heroine are really the only two that gets imported. You're fucking ignorant of the drug trade in the US, [img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/emoot/dogout.gif[/img] And i know drug dealers aren't shady, i was assuming you bought into that shit and was using it, all of my dealers you wouldn't even suspect of being a dealer unless you asked them. You don't fucking live in california, you have no god damn clue what it is like.

some weed is imported, it's mexican brick shit. not many real pot smokers buy it though because it sucks. all the good shit is grown in the US (and sometimes canada) still individual dealers will never be able to compete with a business

[QUOTE=Llivavin;16103702]WEED IS GROWN here in the US Cocaine and heroine are really the only two that gets imported. You're fucking ignorant of the drug trade in the US, [img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/emoot/dogout.gif[/img] And i know drug dealers aren't shady, i was assuming you bought into that shit and was using it, all of my dealers you wouldn't even suspect of being a dealer unless you asked them. You don't fucking live in california, you have no god damn clue what it is like.[/QUOTE] [quote][b]Marijuana smuggled into the United States, whether grown in Mexico or transshipped from other Latin American source areas, accounts for most of the marijuana available in the United States.[/b] Marijuana produced in Mexico remains the most widely available. Moreover, high-potency marijuana enters the U.S. drug market from Canada. The availability of marijuana from Southeast Asia generally is limited to the West Coast. U.S. drug law enforcement reporting also suggests increased availability of domestically grown marijuana.[/quote] Shadd'p. "Weed is grown in the US" Thanks for telling me this, but did you know that air isn't mainly composed of oxygen. Of course weed is grown in America, are you daft, I don't need you to tell me this. I think you would realize that after your little 'test' that I passed, of course it's obvious that you're a moron who's only attempting to win an argument with sloppy observation and that bullshit tactic of "I didn't [i]mean[/i] that". You're right though. I don't live in cali, but my best friend who moved from there to Minnesota has, and I've talked to people on the internet who currently live there. But how would you know I don't live in cali, you wouldn't, you're just grabbing out at anything to win this argument.

They don't want to legalize it because it would cause a massive headache of typical bureaucratic legal bullshit has nothing to do with it being bad for "you" /thread

[QUOTE=RichardNixon;16104220]Shadd'p. "Weed is grown in the US" Thanks for telling me this, but did you know that air isn't mainly composed of oxygen. Of course weed is grown in America, are you daft, I don't need you to tell me this. I think you would realize that after your little 'test' that I passed, of course it's obvious that you're a moron who's only attempting to win an argument with sloppy observation and that bullshit tactic of "I didn't [i]mean[/i] that". You're right though. I don't live in cali, but my best friend who moved from there to Minnesota has, and I've talked to people on the internet who currently live there. But how would you know I don't live in cali, you wouldn't, you're just grabbing out at anything to win this argument.[/QUOTE] If you lived in Cali you'd actually understand how this shit works, thats how. Weed is grown by few people here in cochella vally (where i live in socal) that weed is pretty much sent either to a dispensary (medical) or they sell it to dealers, who then in turn sell it to other dealers, most of them are all friends, and the guys who are growing for them have legal licenses in the state of California to do so, there is nothing "gang" related and there is no "importing" weed. And this is only for this vally, i'm sure if you hit areas like long beach, shits just getting grown everywhere. You're obviously not part of the counter-culture, and as such you really have ground to stand on when it comes to how shit like this works, the culture here surounding cannabis is different from [B]everywhere[/B] else in the US. This thread is SOULY about the legalization in the state of California, unless you've lived here and actually get involved with the culture, you only really know little bits from friends or what the media fucking feeds you. and that smuggled bullshit is probably for elsewhere, but it's not that way in California at all except for near the border, but that weed is shit compared to the shit that's actually grown with in the state.

They should legalize it anyway.

[QUOTE=Llivavin;16089842]that just means more tax revenue in the long run.[/QUOTE] No, that's the problem. When it drops massively in price, that would mean LESS.

Obama should just legalize it to the entire country then he would go down for the greatest black man that ever lived.

[QUOTE=djshox;16109402]No, that's the problem. When it drops massively in price, that would mean LESS.[/QUOTE] no? Because the tax will still be there, the price of the weed it self will not. and ounce of weed is something like 28 grams, that makes it roughly 1.785 dollars per gram. A gram of kush around where i am is 20 bucks, plus 1.785 is 21.785 Now if it was legalized, that price would drop to anywhere from 5-10 bucks (give a year or so) an then you would still add on the 1.785 dollar tax. How you don't grasp that concept is a little confusing, it's not a sales tax, it's a tax on the item itself. It would pretty much put it on par with how ciggs are taxed.

[QUOTE=Llivavin;16077691]Fuck california legalizing it, it pretty much is already, what you all SHOULD be hoping for is Massachusits legalizing it. (two bills up for vote in the state) Cause you know state number 5 in terms of IQ would be more of a triumph then number 11 [url]http://www.iqleague.com/group/smartest-state-in-us[/url][/QUOTE] That isn't accurate. It's just some weird IQ test site that has botched IQ tests (bases IQ off of your knowledge of dates, facts, etc. instead of logic skills and the like). Looking at it again, it does have some questions that test your logic and the like, but the questions about knowing dates and facts mess up the quiz. Also, I wouldn't trust a "60 second IQ test" for my IQ.

[QUOTE=Chompster;16113413]That isn't accurate. It's just some weird IQ test site that has botched IQ tests (bases IQ off of your knowledge of dates, facts, etc. instead of logic skills and the like). Looking at it again, it does have some questions that test your logic and the like, but the questions about knowing dates and facts mess up the quiz. Also, I wouldn't trust a "60 second IQ test" for my IQ.[/QUOTE] [url]http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2006/10/estimating-iq-of-states-of-usa.html[/url] Try that one then, regardless of what set of data you look at, Massachusetts still lands in the top 5. Theres also this one, but might be a tad biased [url]http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/US-Election-IQ2004.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Llivavin;16105472]If you lived in Cali you'd actually understand how this shit works, thats how. Weed is grown by few people here in cochella vally (where i live in socal)[/quote] Meaning that no weed is ever smuggled into the state ever. [quote]that weed is pretty much sent either to a dispensary (medical) or they sell it to dealers, who then in turn sell it to other dealers, most of them are all friends, and the guys who are growing for them have legal licenses in the state of California to do so, there is nothing "gang" related and there is no "importing" weed.[/quote] Meaning that no one ever grows weed with any criminal intent ever. [quote]And this is only for this vally, i'm sure if you hit areas like long beach, shits just getting grown everywhere.[/quote] Which makes it okay, because everyone's doing it. Right? :downs: [quote]You're obviously not part of the counter-culture,[/quote] "You have to in a certain group to understand the argument" doesn't really sound that good. [quote]and as such you really have ground to stand on when it comes to how shit like this works, the culture here surounding cannabis is different from [B]everywhere[/B] else in the US.[/quote] So, wait a minute, if everyone here does something that's illegal everywhere else, that makes it okay? Holy shit, BRB, trying to lower the age of consent to eight. [quote]This thread is SOULY about the legalization in the state of California, unless you've lived here and actually get involved with the culture, you only really know little bits from friends or what the media fucking feeds you.[/quote] [b]YOU DON'T KNOW US, MAN! DON'T JUDGE US IF YOU DON'T KNOW US![/b] [quote]and that smuggled bullshit is probably for elsewhere,[/quote] Yeah, none of that gets into California. Weed is a pure business here.

The crazy thing is that London is cocaine central, but you don't see our government legalizing it. If cigarettes hadn't been legal for so many years, they would also be on the ban list. The legality is based on the long term health effects and overall safeness of the substance, not on what the general populace think (some of whom will shove anything up their nose if they think it will send them into a zone). Legal pot will cause the officials more trouble. Dealers will line their pockets with funds from tax free weed, and the officials have no way of telling what has been taxed and what hasn't.

[QUOTE=Advancedrock;16076795]All drugs should be legal just because they generate so much money, and is the user's fault if they use it[/QUOTE] No. By that logic there would be no law. [QUOTE=Advancedrock;16078246]why is D.C.'s IQ lower than 100? Isn't that where high ranking people and the president live?[/QUOTE] You really don't get it, do you? =P [QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16116598]The crazy thing is that London is cocaine central, but you don't see our government legalizing it. If cigarettes hadn't been legal for so many years, they would also be on the ban list. The legality is based on the long term health effects and overall safeness of the substance, not on what the general populace think (some of whom will shove anything up their nose if they think it will send them into a zone). Legal pot will cause the officials more trouble. Dealers will line their pockets with funds from tax free weed, and the officials have no way of telling what has been taxed and what hasn't.[/QUOTE] This is true. Tobacco isn't all that easy to grow and process, but cannabis is a hardy plant..I don't think they'd have an easy time keeping tabs on it, especially considering the infrastructure that's already in place for the industry...however given time I think it could be a benefit. Cocaine is something else though, the health risks supposedly more demonstrable.

[QUOTE=Sams Brume;16116470]Meaning that no weed is ever smuggled into the state ever. Meaning that no one ever grows weed with any criminal intent ever. Which makes it okay, because everyone's doing it. Right? :downs: "You have to in a certain group to understand the argument" doesn't really sound that good. So, wait a minute, if everyone here does something that's illegal everywhere else, that makes it okay? Holy shit, BRB, trying to lower the age of consent to eight. [b]YOU DON'T KNOW US, MAN! DON'T JUDGE US IF YOU DON'T KNOW US![/b] Yeah, none of that gets into California. Weed is a pure business here.[/QUOTE] 1 The weed thats smuggled into the state is shit. 2 Who said it isn't grown with criminal intent, but if it was legalized they would be growing legally meaning that wouldn't be an issue anymore. 3 Cops for the most part don't care, and a a lot of cops i've met want it legalized so they don't have to keep enforcing this petty shit. 4 If you really weren't active in the counterculture at least once then you won't fully understand the extent of everything. 5 Compleatly misunderstood the point, i was mainly refering to the people who buy, consume, sell, and grow are for the most part very different compaired to other states. (i've lived in FL MA and CA, and i can tell you this is true) 6 see 4. 7 see 1. Shit imported weed = not useful except for in the towns they actually get smuggled from Tijuana and Mexicali and elsewhere into California is brick weed that fails hard in comparison to whats actually grown in the state, it's not like that can affect the businesses of people who are selling better shit, meaning that would soon end because it people would be able to just walk into a store and buy better shit. It's not at all like people will still buy from dealers if they have a store they can buy from, most people would perfer to buy slightly more expensive and be sure of it's quality/pureness rather then go to some dealer that they hardly know. It's why medical dispensaries are still around, they charge more then local dealers, but no one cares about the prices due to the ease of it all. [editline]09:31AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Beau_Chaotica;16120879]No. By that logic there would be no law. You really don't get it, do you? =P This is true. Tobacco isn't all that easy to grow and process, but cannabis is a hardy plant..I don't think they'd have an easy time keeping tabs on it, especially considering the infrastructure that's already in place for the industry...however given time I think it could be a benefit. Cocaine is something else though, the health risks supposedly more demonstrable.[/QUOTE] Drugs should be legal, it's not up the the government to regulate what one does with there own body. Growing would be legal, but for most people the wait for it isn't worth the effort when they can just buy it at a store. Cocaine actually has medical purposes, so doesn't Heroin (morphine) and Meth (speed, ritilin adderal)

[QUOTE=KENMORE;16109962]Obama should just legalize it to the entire country then he would go down for the greatest black man that ever lived.[/QUOTE] No.

[QUOTE=Neumann23;16121306]No.[/QUOTE] yes

[QUOTE=Llivavin;16120983] Drugs should be legal, it's not up the the government to regulate what one does with there own body. Growing would be legal, but for most people the wait for it isn't worth the effort when they can just buy it at a store. Cocaine actually has medical purposes, so doesn't Heroin (morphine) and Meth (speed, ritilin adderal)[/QUOTE] The reason drugs aren't legal is because of what they do to your body. The other reason is to protect those around you and cut down the cost to the state for medical care (although, in America it would be the cost to you for medical care). All those factors need to be taken into account. Marijuana is meant to have possible long term mental effects, such as schizophrenia. Heroin and Morphine are opium derivatives. but are highly addictive and again, cause physical and mental problems. Tobacco doesn't cause mental problems, and it doesn't affect the users judgment. Yes it causes cancer, and yes it is addictive, but all in all the cigarette doesn't do much damage that cannot be fixed. It should be banned because of the health problems it causes, but that is unfeasible because of the amount of people that smoke. Alchohol is of course the other one. It causes liver problems, impairs judgment and people can get addicted to it. But we know the dangers of it, and we know how to control it to a certain extent. Drugs do not have this knowledge. We still do not know how exposure to drugs fully affects the human body, both physically and mentally, which makes it so dangerous. It is up to the government to protect both you and everyone else. You have alcohol and you have cigarettes. What more do you need?

[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16122580]The reason drugs aren't legal is because of what they do to your body. The other reason is to protect those around you and cut down the cost to the state for medical care (although, in America it would be the cost to you for medical care). All those factors need to be taken into account. Marijuana is meant to have possible long term mental effects, such as schizophrenia. Heroin and Morphine are opium derivatives. but are highly addictive and again, cause physical and mental problems. Tobacco doesn't cause mental problems, and it doesn't affect the users judgment. Yes it causes cancer, and yes it is addictive, but all in all the cigarette doesn't do much damage that cannot be fixed. It should be banned because of the health problems it causes, but that is unfeasible because of the amount of people that smoke. Alchohol is of course the other one. It causes liver problems, impairs judgment and people can get addicted to it. But we know the dangers of it, and we know how to control it to a certain extent. Drugs do not have this knowledge. We still do not know how exposure to drugs fully affects the human body, both physically and mentally, which makes it so dangerous. It is up to the government to protect both you and everyone else. You have alcohol and you have cigarettes. What more do you need?[/QUOTE] It's not the governments job to stop you from self harm, only harm to others, it's as simple as that, otherwise it's pretty much the same thing as the government being your parent. And Cannabis only gives schizophrenia to people who have a family history of it.

[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16122580]The reason drugs aren't legal is because of what they do to your body. The other reason is to protect those around you and cut down the cost to the state for medical care (although, in America it would be the cost to you for medical care).[/QUOTE] Cannabis was made illegal for partially racist reasons, nothing to do with health. We should have the right to put any other drugs in our body if we choose to. [QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16122580]All those factors need to be taken into account. Marijuana is meant to have possible long term mental effects, such as schizophrenia. [/QUOTE] That's from very heavy, long term use. Schizophrenia is usually a predisposed mental condition anyway, marijuana does not cause it, but may bring it out, which would have happened anyway. [QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16122580]Heroin and Morphine are opium derivatives. but are highly addictive and again, cause physical and mental problems.[/QUOTE] Heroin and morphine are not very physically or mentally dangerous. The problem is how addictive they are, people end up spending all their money to get a fix, and may overdose if they aren't careful. [QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16122580]Tobacco doesn't cause mental problems, and it doesn't affect the users judgment. Yes it causes cancer, and yes it is addictive, but all in all the cigarette doesn't do much damage that cannot be fixed. [/QUOTE] Nicotine physically changes the brain to create cravings. Most people don't have the self control to stop. I'd say that causes irreparable damage. [QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16122580]Alchohol is of course the other one. It causes liver problems, impairs judgment and people can get addicted to it. But we know the dangers of it, and we know how to control it to a certain extent. Drugs do not have this knowledge. We still do not know how exposure to drugs fully affects the human body, both physically and mentally, which makes it so dangerous.[/QUOTE] Yes we do. We know that cannabis is one of the most harmless substances on the planet. We know the effects of every drug. [QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16122580]It is up to the government to protect both you and everyone else. You have alcohol and you have cigarettes. What more do you need?[/QUOTE] Are you serious?

[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16122580]The reason drugs aren't legal is because of what they do to your body. The other reason is to protect those around you and cut down the cost to the state for medical care (although, in America it would be the cost to you for medical care). All those factors need to be taken into account. Marijuana is meant to have possible long term mental effects, such as schizophrenia. Heroin and Morphine are opium derivatives. but are highly addictive and again, cause physical and mental problems. Tobacco doesn't cause mental problems, and it doesn't affect the users judgment. Yes it causes cancer, and yes it is addictive, but all in all the cigarette doesn't do much damage that cannot be fixed. It should be banned because of the health problems it causes, but that is unfeasible because of the amount of people that smoke. Alchohol is of course the other one. It causes liver problems, impairs judgment and people can get addicted to it. But we know the dangers of it, and we know how to control it to a certain extent. Drugs do not have this knowledge. We still do not know how exposure to drugs fully affects the human body, both physically and mentally, which makes it so dangerous. It is up to the government to protect both you and everyone else. You have alcohol and you have cigarettes. What more do you need?[/QUOTE] If that's how you think, should government ban other unhealthy substances as well, such as fast foods or candy?

[QUOTE=frums;16123384]Cannabis was made illegal for partially racist reasons, nothing to do with health.[/quote] Those god damn Racist White Pigs up in the Capital want you to think their reasons are pure, but they're about as corrupt as can be, man! The Wall Street fat cats just want to put down the Mexicans by putting a stranglehold on their only good product! [quote]We should have the right to put any other drugs in our body if we choose to.[/quote] Because this works out so well with crack and heroine and all those other drugs. [quote]That's from very heavy, long term use.[/quote] Nobody [b]eeeeeever[/b] uses marijuana in the long term. [quote]Schizophrenia is usually a predisposed mental condition anyway, marijuana does not cause it, but may bring it out, which would have happened anyway.[/quote] Just like video games and public shootings. Wait, this isn't helping my argument because that idea is bullshit... Forget I said anything. [quote]Heroin and morphine are not very physically or mentally dangerous.[/quote] ... Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. [quote]The problem is how addictive they are, people end up spending all their money to get a fix, and may overdose if they aren't careful.[/quote] Overdosing doesn't have to do with the drug itself, by the way. Heroin and morphine still aren't dangerous. [quote]Nicotine physically changes the brain to create cravings.[/quote] Like marijuana doesn't. It just changes it to make it hungry. [quote]Most people don't have the self control to stop. I'd say that causes irreparable damage.[/quote] Wait, so first it has a medical reason for them being addicted, but then it's about self control? [quote]Yes we do. We know that cannabis is one of the most harmless substances on the planet. We know the effects of every drug.[/quote] Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[QUOTE=Llivavin;16105472]If you lived in Cali you'd actually understand how this shit works, thats how. Weed is grown by few people here in cochella vally (where i live in socal) that weed is pretty much sent either to a dispensary (medical) or they sell it to dealers, who then in turn sell it to other dealers, most of them are all friends, and the guys who are growing for them have legal licenses in the state of California to do so, there is nothing "gang" related and there is no "importing" weed. And this is only for this vally, i'm sure if you hit areas like long beach, shits just getting grown everywhere. You're obviously not part of the counter-culture, and as such you really have ground to stand on when it comes to how shit like this works, the culture here surounding cannabis is different from [B]everywhere[/B] else in the US. This thread is SOULY about the legalization in the state of California, unless you've lived here and actually get involved with the culture, you only really know little bits from friends or what the media fucking feeds you. and that smuggled bullshit is probably for elsewhere, but it's not that way in California at all except for near the border, but that weed is shit compared to the shit that's actually grown with in the state.[/QUOTE] So the people who are illegally growing weed on state parks and have for two or so generations been growing weed on heavily wooded lots to hide it from the police are not actually criminals, but, licensed growers. Wow, I guess you're not just rationalizing your drug use by putting a legal face on it. I'm not part of the counter-culture, there's too much symbolism, crappy music, crappy fashion, and general idiocy. That doesn't mean I can't understand how a foreign system works because it's, well foreign. I'm glad you understand that this thread is about the legalization of marijuana in California and only California, but it effects regions much larger than California, all of your neighboring states will be burdened by your states choice if it fails to strictly regulate the sale of weed. Much in the way people in Minnesota go over to Wisconsin to buy fireworks.

[QUOTE=RichardNixon;16124338] I'm glad you understand that this thread is about the legalization of marijuana in California and only California, but it effects regions much larger than California, all of your neighboring states will be burdened by your states choice if it fails to strictly regulate the sale of weed. Much in the way people in Minnesota go over to Wisconsin to buy fireworks.[/QUOTE] Why does it matter though. Why should pot be illegal, you still haven't made that point. How is it a "burden" to other states?