• Mother accused of murdering son, dumping his body in Maine woods "wants to be in Heaven."
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[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29936388]No she didn't decide to kill her son and later justify it with religion she did it because it made sense with her religious belief.[/QUOTE] uhh, what religious belief says that you should kill your son? [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29936388]Just admit that its one of the causes it doesnt mean the religion is bad it just means that with the help of mental illness and religion a women killed her son.[/QUOTE] it's not a cause of murder. if religion was a cause of murder than the 6+ billion religious people in the world would be murdering people.
[QUOTE=JDK721;29936545]uhh, what religious belief says that you should kill your son? it's not a cause of murder. if religion was a cause of murder than the 6+ billion religious people in the world would be murdering people.[/QUOTE] God you dont get it you keep on thinking im attacking religion or something so you must defend it. No religion is a cause with the help of mental illness. We need both for murder this is why not all religious people murder. No religious belief says specifically to murder people but a belief in heaven is why she murdered her child. Lastly there are not 6 billion religious people its closer to 5.
[QUOTE=geoface;29930196]the farce known as religion claims another person...this kid would still be alive if religion wasn't such a brain washing piece of a bullshit...crazy people become even more crazy when religion gets involved[/QUOTE] [B]Damn straight.[/B] [editline]19th May 2011[/editline] Back on topic, this is really fucked up. Reminds me of the case of that woman who killed all her sons (she had like 3 or so), in order for them to be safe from Hell or whatever... they couldn't find her insane because she was fully aware of what she was doing.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29936597]No religious belief say specifically to murder people but a belief in heaven is why she murdered her child.[/QUOTE] no it's not. once again you fail to realize that she's mentally ill and has irrational thoughts. if she said "I killed him because I wanted him to be with the flying spaghetti monster" would you believe that was the REAL motive? [editline]19th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=geoface;29930196]the farce known as religion claims another person...this kid would still be alive if religion wasn't such a brain washing piece of a bullshit...crazy people become even more crazy when religion gets involved[/QUOTE] guys what is psychology and sociology [editline]19th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Pretiacruento;29936725]Back on topic, this is really fucked up. Reminds me of the case of that woman who killed all her sons (she had like 3 or so), in order for them to be safe from Hell or whatever... they couldn't find her insane because she was fully aware of what she was doing.[/QUOTE] are you talking about andrea yates?
[QUOTE=JDK721;29936788]no it's not. once again you fail to realize that she's mentally ill and has irrational thoughts. if she said "I killed him because I wanted him to be with the flying spaghetti monster" would you believe that was the REAL motive? [/QUOTE]I would believe that the flying spagetti monster would also be a cause along with mental illness. If you ever study behavioral biology you will see there is never one cause for an action. So stop trying to pretend religion wasn't also a cause just for the sake of defending religion. Even a mentally ill patient needs some environmental trigger before doing something. So yes religion played a roll. [editline]19th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;29936788]guys what is psychology and sociology[/QUOTE] Something that would show that there is more then one cause to an action.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29936872]I would believe that the flying spagetti monster would also be a cause along with mental illness. If you ever study behavioral biology you will see there is never one cause for an action. So stop trying to pretend religion wasn't also a cause just for the sake of defending religion. Even a mentally ill patient needs some environmental trigger before doing something. So yes religion played a roll. Something that would show that there is more then one cause to an action.[/QUOTE] so you're saying there's a causation between religion and murder? [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29936872]So stop trying to pretend religion wasn't also a cause just for the sake of defending religion.[/QUOTE] I don't give a shit about religion. I'm concerned that you're scapegoating something instead of looking at the real influences that drove this mother to commit murder. extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence please show me some evidence about that proves there's a causation between religion and murder
[QUOTE=geoface;29930196]the farce known as religion claims another person...this kid would still be alive if religion wasn't such a brain washing piece of a bullshit...crazy people become even more crazy when religion gets involved[/QUOTE] I've reread the article several times, where did the article say that she killed her son in the name of religion? She only said that she wanted to see her son in heaven because she missed him after she killed him.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;29937033]I've reread the article several times, where did the article say that she killed her son in the name of religion? She only said that she wanted to see her son in heaven because she missed him after she killed him.[/QUOTE] you're right no where in the article does it say she "killed him so he could be in heaven." OP didn't even comprehend the article and posted a shitty thread title :golfclap:
[QUOTE=JDK721;29937020]so you're saying there's a causation between religion and murder? extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence please show me some evidence about that proves there's a causation between religion and murder[/QUOTE] Im sorry but you have no Idea of what im talking about. You keep on thinking Im saying religion causes people to murder. Really?! NO all I am saying and have been saying this whole time is that for this one case religion caused it. I never said religion causes all murders or even most. I have no Idea where you are getting this from. It is very clear that in this case religion did help cause this murder and I dont think you can disagree with me on this. If in fact she killed him so he can go to heaven.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29937098]Im sorry but you have no Idea of what im talking about. You keep on thinking Im saying religion causes people to murder. Really?! NO all I am saying and have been saying this whole time is that for this one case religion caused it. I never said religion causes all murders or even most. I have no Idea where you are getting this from. It is very clear that in this case religion did help cause this murder and I dont think you can disagree with me on this. If in fact she killed him so he can go to heaven.[/QUOTE] show me where it states "she killed him so he would go to heaven" in the news article
[QUOTE=JDK721;29937127]show me where it states "she killed him so he would go to heaven" in the news article[/QUOTE] Thats besides the point even though if it was premeditated its clear she did it to see his son go to heaven ( I believe this to be the case since she is suicidal). Now your point was that for some reason religion cant help cause a women to kill her son (which was shown to be wrong). You now only changed your stance once you realized it never directly says why she killed him.
[QUOTE=JDK721;29937127]show me where it states "she killed him so he would go to heaven" in the news article[/QUOTE] She's suicidal, so when she gets killed, she'll see him in heaven. Also, you're being stupid, understandable though, as you were around during the "militant atheist" time on Facepunch.
[QUOTE=JDK721;29936788]are you talking about andrea yates?[/QUOTE] Yup, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates]that woman[/url]... couldn't remember her name. WAY crazier than this woman, IMO.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29937236]Thats besides the point even though if it was premeditated its clear she did it to see his son go to heaven ( I believe this to be the case since she is suicidal). Now your point was that for some reason religion cant help cause a women to kill her son (which was shown to be wrong). You now only changed your stance once you realized it never directly says why she killed him.[/QUOTE] my argument is still the same, but I like how you guys scapegoated religion when it really has nothing to do with why she killed her child [QUOTE=Rubs10;29937270]She's suicidal, so when she gets killed, she'll see him in heaven.[/QUOTE] what does that have to do with WHY she killed her child [QUOTE=Rubs10;29937270]Also, you're being stupid, understandable though, as you were around during the "militant atheist" time on Facepunch.[/QUOTE] excellent rebuttal [QUOTE=Pretiacruento;29937570]Yup, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates]that woman[/url]... couldn't remember her name. WAY crazier than this woman, IMO.[/QUOTE] she was found not guilty by reason of insanity, and the murders had absolutely nothing to do with religion
[QUOTE=JDK721;29938338]my argument is still the same, but I like how you guys scapegoated religion when it really has nothing to do with why she killed her child[/QUOTE] Oh no. She was probably trying to do a murder suicide according to the report in which case I would be right and 2nd again my only point is religion can and does with other environmental causes cause murder. If by scapegoating you mean understanding how it can effect someone reasonably then you would be right.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29938428]She was probably trying to do a murder suicide according to the report in which case I would be right and 2nd again my only point is religion can and does with other environmental causes cause murder. If by scapegoating you mean understanding how it can effect someone reasonably then you would be right.[/QUOTE] it says nothing about a murder-suicide and no, religion cannot cause murder
[QUOTE=JDK721;29938471]religion cannot cause murder[/QUOTE] Im just going to say you are wrong. Anything can cause murder.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29938494]Im just going to say you are wrong. Anything can cause murder.[/QUOTE] it's not that simple show me some evidence that there's a link between religion and murder
[QUOTE=JDK721;29938538]it's not that simple show me some evidence that there's a link between religion and murder[/QUOTE] Im sorry but I already explained this to you twice before to you. I am not saying that religion is the cause of all murders or even most I am saying it can be. Stop thinking Im trying to attack religion im just explaining basic behavioral biology. Even though on average less religious people do less crime thats not the point I was trying to make at all.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29938594] Even though on average less religious people do less crime thats not the point I was trying to make at all.[/QUOTE] Source. Now.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29938594]Im sorry but I already explained this to you twice before to you. I am not saying that religion is the cause of all murders or even most I am saying it can be. Stop thinking Im trying to attack religion im just explaining basic behavioral biology. Even though on average less religious people do less crime thats not the point I was trying to make at all.[/QUOTE] you have absolutely no evidence that there's a link between murder and religion
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29938594] I am not saying that religion is the cause of all murders or even most I am saying it can be. Stop thinking Im trying to attack religion im just explaining basic behavioral biology. .[/QUOTE] Its not that you are attacking religion its that you are pinning the blame for this murder on religion even though there is literally NO evidence to support such a claim. [editline]20th May 2011[/editline] JDK, ninja master
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;29938667]Source. Now.[/QUOTE] [quote=wikipedia]Federal Bureau of Prisons, 0.21% of inmates were atheist[/quote] Even though this isn't my main point here you go. Im not sure if this is with all levels of non religiousness or just atheist though.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29938724]Even though this isn't my main point here you go. Im not sure if this is with all levels of non religiousness or just atheist though.[/QUOTE] the majority of americans are christians (~90%). it's not surprising that only 0.21% of inmates were atheists. that doesn't mean "atheists commit less crimes than religious people"
[QUOTE=JDK721;29938802]the majority of americans are christians (~90%). it's not surprising that only 0.21% of inmates were atheists. that doesn't mean "atheists commit less crimes than religious people"[/QUOTE] But 3% of america identify themselves as atheist and about 12% if you count agnostics and non religious people. This means atheists have at least 10 times less chance of going to jail then do religious people or are better at hiding it.
these "religion guided" psychos always makes me sick
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29938882]But 3% of america identify themselves as atheist and about 12% if you count agnostics and non religious people. This means atheists have at least 10 times less chance of going to jail then do religious people or are better at hiding it.[/QUOTE] what the christ this is terrible logic [editline]19th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ryuken;29938904]these "religion guided" psychos always makes me sick[/QUOTE] gj reading the OP and thread
[QUOTE=JDK721;29938951]what the christ this is terrible logic[/QUOTE] No its not its math. The average would be a one to one ratio. If atheest were in jail just as much as the average you would see 3% of the people in jail atheist just like there is 3% of america. But there isn't its way less then that. Please dont call math illogical. [editline]19th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;29938951]gj reading the OP and thread[/QUOTE] You didnt until 10 minutes ago and even then its suggesting that she was planing on suicide after killer her kid.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29938986]No its not its math. The average would be a one to one ratio. If atheest were in jail just as much as the average you would see 3% of the people in jail atheist just like there is 3% of america. But there isn't its way less then that. Please dont call math illogical.[/QUOTE] you can't make a correlation between a lack of a belief in a deity and the likelihood of you committing a crime [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29938986]You didnt until 10 minutes ago and even then its suggesting that she was planing on suicide after killer her kid.[/QUOTE] no it's not
[QUOTE=JDK721;29939469]you can't make a correlation between a lack of a belief in a deity and the likelihood of you committing a crime no it's not[/QUOTE] First yes I can I just did and that study kind of proved it and 2ndly she made it clear she was suicidal.
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