• Mother accused of murdering son, dumping his body in Maine woods "wants to be in Heaven."
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So imasillypiggy, given your interpretation on religions statistics in prisons are you also willing to now go on the record and say that black people are more likely to be criminals than white people
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29939532]So imasillypiggy, given your interpretation on religions statistics in prisons are you also willing to now go on the record and say that black people are more likely to be criminals than white people[/QUOTE] No I didn't even want to start talking about crime statistics or any of that its just that the person im arguing with keeps on thinking when Im saying religion can be a cause of a crime he thinks Im saying religion causes crime. After a while I gave him what he wants. I dont think I should be more scared around a religious person or anything. It was just a it was just a little funny statistic against JDK721 assertion that started a huge thing. I mean I know atheist that I think are going to go nuts some day and kill me and I know christians who would never hurt a fly.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29939654]No I didn't even want to start talking about crime statistics or any of that its just that the person im arguing with keeps on thinking when Im saying religion can be a cause of a crime he thinks Im saying religion causes crime. After a while I gave him what he wants. I dont think I should be more scared around a religious person or anything. It was just a it was just a little funny statistic against JDK721 assertion that started a huge thing. I mean I know atheist that I think are going to go nuts some day and kill me and I know christians who would never hurt a fly.[/QUOTE] So if you knew it was pointless to post why did you post it
This happened about a mile or 2 away from my house.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29939680]So if you knew it was pointless to post why did you post it[/QUOTE] It went against his "religion cant (ever) cause murder" belief. I was trying to show that something could effect a person even if its not the only or major cause of it. I forgot what kind of argument it could cause though. All Im trying to say is that anything in the environment can help cause behavior without pointing at only one.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29939722]It went against his "religion cant (ever) cause murder" belief.[/QUOTE] No it didn't do that at all
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29939722]It went against his "religion cant (ever) cause murder" belief.[/QUOTE] what the fuck does that pointless statistic have to do with refuting my argument you aren't making any sense
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29939734]No it didn't do that at all[/QUOTE] I thought the statistic showed that religion (or anything) can directly (as in its aprt of the belief) or indirectly cause something. But never got to say this point since it caused a branch argument. [QUOTE=JDK721;29939746]what the fuck does that pointless statistic have to do with refuting my argument you aren't making any sense[/QUOTE] Your argument was "religion cant cause murder" and if I show evidence that it can cause crime I believed I would win the argument and then I would feel like I did something good today.
you didn't show evidence of how religion can cause murder though what evidence is this
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29939813]you didn't show evidence of how religion can cause murder though what evidence is this[/QUOTE] But My original point is that anything can cause murder. Any group or ideology can cause murder because they effect different states of mind differently. By showing that the somehow uneffecting religion can effect people. I would then show it could also effect people to kill with the right state of mind. But now I feel bad about taking up 1 and a half pages with my talk.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29939813]you didn't show evidence of how religion can cause murder though what evidence is this[/QUOTE] Do Islamic suicide bombers count as an example?
I believe the reason that religious people are statistically more prevalent in prisons is because generally speaking more educated people are atheist (this is statistically true), and educated people have less reason to commit crime.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29939654]No I didn't even want to start talking about crime statistics or any of that its just that the person im arguing with keeps on thinking when Im saying religion can be a cause of a crime he thinks Im saying religion causes crime. After a while I gave him what he wants. I dont think I should be more scared around a religious person or anything. It was just a it was just a little funny statistic against JDK721 assertion that started a huge thing. I mean I know atheist that I think are going to go nuts some day and kill me and I know christians who would never hurt a fly.[/QUOTE] you live in the us how is your goddamn english so bad
[QUOTE=Mon;29940338]you live in the us how is your goddamn english so bad[/QUOTE] Dyslexia and my hand getting tired after writing 2 pages if you want to know. was it irony to not put in punctuation?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29940371]Dyslexia and my hand getting tired after writing 2 pages if you want to know. was it irony to not put in punctuation?[/QUOTE] i live in canada where i live punctuation is for weak men who scapegoat religion
If there's a hell, she's going there.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;29940135]I believe the reason that religious people are statistically more prevalent in prisons is because generally speaking more educated people are atheist (this is statistically true), and educated people have less reason to commit crime.[/QUOTE] Or it could be because on average atheist live in less crime ridden areas either way just hypothesis. [editline]19th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Laserbeams;29940401]If there's a hell, she's going there.[/QUOTE] I would say shes crazy and not accountable.
[QUOTE=Mon;29940386]i live in canada punctuation is for weak men who scapegoat religion[/QUOTE] It's not a scapegoat, it's a factor.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;29940419]It's not a scapegoat, it's a factor.[/QUOTE] and how exactly
[QUOTE=Mon;29940431]and how exactly[/QUOTE] Because religious beliefs have a massive effect on peoples lives, some good and some bad. It would be reasonable to assume that her beliefs had an influence on these event as well. I'm not saying all religious people have a chance of doing something like this, but I am saying that it's better for some religions to not exist at all than for one person to die because of it. It just isn't justified.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;29940527]Because religious beliefs have a massive effect on peoples lives, some good and some bad. It would be reasonable to assume that her beliefs had an influence on these event as well.[/QUOTE] anything can influence a person; it could've been something like her job too
[QUOTE=Rubs10;29940527]Because religious beliefs have a massive effect on peoples lives, some good and some bad. It would be reasonable to assume that her beliefs had an influence on these event as well.[/QUOTE] Dam I spent an hour trying to get that point across and you do it in one post.
[QUOTE=Mon;29940544]anything can influence a person; it could've been something like her job too[/QUOTE] There are indeed many factors. I'm only concerned as to whether or not religion was insignificant enough to be justifiable as something that isn't responsible for murder.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;29940573]There are indeed many factors.[/QUOTE] so whatdoes religion in particular have to do with it [editline]20th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Rubs10;29940573]There are indeed many factors. I'm only concerned as to whether or not religion was insignificant enough to be justifiable as something that isn't responsible for murder.[/QUOTE] religious =/= murderous if thats what youre getting at
[QUOTE=Mon;29940582]so whatdoes religion in particular have to do with it [editline]20th May 2011[/editline] religious =/= murderous if thats what youre getting at[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone in this thread was ever getting at that.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;29940527]Because religious beliefs have a massive effect on peoples lives, some good and some bad. It would be reasonable to assume that her beliefs had an influence on these event as well. I'm not saying all religious people have a chance of doing something like this, but I am saying that it's better for some religions to not exist at all than for one person to die because of it. It just isn't justified.[/QUOTE] You don't at all understand the implications of such an argument because the cause or blame of any habit or belief could be made to be at some fault. This means that you must accept that violent video games should be banned because there have been cases in which it has been claimed by the person on trial that they were the cause. I chose violent video games very deliberately in that it is something you'd be rather against banning and you would likely be very willing to tell me why. Then I could give you all the court cases and you'd give essentially the same retort that others are giving for this one, that the fact that religion is being blamed or even claimed as the cause as the reason for murder is not at all to suggest that religion had any sort of factor in the matter. [QUOTE]Because violent video games have a massive effect on peoples lives, some good and some bad. It would be reasonable to assume that violent video games had an influence on these event as well. I'm not saying all people who play violent video games have a chance of doing something like this, but I am saying that it's better for some violent video games to not exist at all than for one person to die because of it. It just isn't justified.[/QUOTE] Doesn't that seem like something Jack Thompson would say. I'm using Jack Thompson because nobody likes him. You are likely to argue that you aren't and you'll try to attempt to make distinctions as to why they are two different topics, but that isn't going to do anything because the topic is irrelevant to the logic being used in such statements. If we were to make what you are saying devoid of any topic and it could be evaluated as false, it will always be false because the reasoning and logic used to back up the statements are false regardless of context.
[QUOTE=Pepin;29940971]You don't at all understand the implications of such an argument because the cause or blame of any habit or belief could be made to be at some fault. This means that you must accept that violent video games should be banned because there have been cases in which it has been claimed by the person on trial that they were the cause.[/QUOTE] No not at all. accepting that things have an effect on people doesn't mean you have to ban everything that can have a bad effect. Video games and religion can have a good effect but understanding that they can have a bad is also good. Its like saying we should ban all cars because cars are the cause or help cause death. Also no ones saying we should ban religion in this thread.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29941022]No not at all. Excepting that things have an effect on people doesnt mean you have to ban everything that can have a bad effect. Video games and religion can have a good effect but understanding that they can have a bad is also good.[/QUOTE] In the context that I was referring to the argument was being made that a ban could be justified because of the potential bad effects of certain religions. Although not explicit, it was implied that I was talking about banning some violent video games, namely the ones that would be argued to have the most devastating effect. I can actually get into the argument as to why no video game or religion should be banned, regardless of the content, but the purpose of my argument above was to try to say that if you're for the banning of some religions, then have to be for the banning of some video games, and also the banning of some movies, and some [personal thing]....
[QUOTE=Pepin;29940971]You don't at all understand the implications of such an argument because the cause or blame of any habit or belief could be made to be at some fault. This means that you must accept that violent video games should be banned because there have been cases in which it has been claimed by the person on trial that they were the cause. I chose violent video games very deliberately in that it is something you'd be rather against banning and you would likely be very willing to tell me why. Then I could give you all the court cases and you'd give essentially the same retort that others are giving for this one, that the fact that religion is being blamed or even claimed as the cause as the reason for murder is not at all to suggest that religion had any sort of factor in the matter. Doesn't that seem like something Jack Thompson would say. I'm using Jack Thompson because nobody likes him. You are likely to argue that you aren't and you'll try to attempt to make distinctions as to why they are two different topics, but that isn't going to do anything because the topic is irrelevant to the logic being used in such statements. If we were to make what you are saying devoid of any topic and it could be evaluated as false, it will always be false because the reasoning and logic used to back up the statements are false regardless of context.[/QUOTE] Oh, I understand now. Thanks.
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