• Michigan Bans Bans of Plastic Bags
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[QUOTE=_Axel;51610872]I don't get it, just buy a good bag and bring it with you when you go shopping? How lazy can you be? Plastic bags are utter crap anyway, shit's weaker than wet toilet paper, breaks apart as soon as you start to actually load stuff. I walk 15 minutes everytime I go buy groceries and I can't tell how annoying it would be to have those shitty bags break apart on the way home. [editline]2nd January 2017[/editline] What? It's not supposed to add up, once you bought them you can reuse them afterwards.[/QUOTE] Did you just read that and skip everything else? She literately explained why. It's the same reason I'd be pissed if this ever happened in my area.
[QUOTE=GamerChick;51610820]It's already in effect here in cali. Very annoying because I use them for other uses like storage, trash cans, and compost baggies for veggie scraps. I don't have the money to buy durable reusable bags that won't break under weight either and so now I have to do about 90 million trips to and from my car and up stairs when I buy stuff in bulk, which is the only time I buy groceries. The law sucks for really poor people (10 cents a bag adds up! A few bucks could be a dinner for me and I'm on a tight budget!) and it makes no sense to[I] only ban them at grocery stores and not every store[/I]. You still get plastic bags at retail shops so what the fuck? At least have shops GIVE FREE REUSABLES instead of charging for them. IMO it's an ineffective and annoying as fuck law. Just increase recycling incentives and recycling jobs and locations. People are still gunna throw shit all over anyway, I mean look around you in the street gutters,[I] do you honestly think this law is gunna change anything?[/I] It's just more needless bans on random stuff, that people will not follow anyway. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE] but its not an ineffective law [url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-29/ask-7-cents-a-plastic-bag-and-90-of-english-say-no-thanks[/url] stop saying its ineffective because it does actually have a major impact
[QUOTE=_Axel;51610872]I don't get it, just buy a good bag and bring it with you when you go shopping? How lazy can you be? Plastic bags are utter crap anyway, shit's weaker than wet toilet paper, breaks apart as soon as you start to actually load stuff. I walk 15 minutes everytime I go buy groceries and I can't tell how annoying it would be to have those shitty bags break apart on the way home. [editline]2nd January 2017[/editline] What? It's not supposed to add up, once you bought them you can reuse them afterwards.[/QUOTE] The whole point in having them is they're disposable, people use them for many many more things than just carrying shopping around, charging people 1000x their value is frankly insulting, it just means people end up going elsewhere to get bags, from what I've seen a number of smaller stores have started selling them in bulk packs so it hasn't really accomplished anything other than to piss people off, it certainly has made no impact on my bag usage. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;51611132]but its not an ineffective law [url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-29/ask-7-cents-a-plastic-bag-and-90-of-english-say-no-thanks[/url] stop saying its ineffective because it does actually have a major impact[/QUOTE] I would not place much value in that, I doubt they're digging through the trash counting the number of bags they find, of course usage has gone down no sane person is going to waste 5p on a bag unless they're well off.
[QUOTE=Dantz Bolrew;51611108]Did you just read that and skip everything else? She literately explained why. It's the same reason I'd be pissed if this ever happened in my area.[/QUOTE] Yeah I guess it isn't as advantageous to use them as trash bags if they aren't free. But that's a very far-fetched argument to keep plastic bags, their purpose is to contain groceries and they suck at it in addition to having terrible effects on the environment. [editline]2nd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Chryseus;51611167]The whole point in having them is they're disposable, people use them for many many more things than just carrying shopping around, charging people 1000x their value is frankly insulting, it just means people end up going elsewhere to get bags, from what I've seen a number of smaller stores have started selling them in bulk packs so it hasn't really accomplished anything other than to piss people off, it certainly has made no impact on my bag usage.[/QUOTE] Are they banning them or raising their prices? Because I'm arguing for the former here. What's the point of having disposable grocery bags? There's no con to using reusable bags for this. If you want to use them for other purposes, then buy bags that are made for that. The point of the ban is that people don't get handed tons of bags they apparently find no use for since the resulting litter is found everywhere.
Plastic bags are disgusting. They litter the environment. They're extremely difficult to recycle and most waste companies won't bother, so putting them in the recycling bin does fuck all. They endanger animal life, being both a suffocation and ingestion hazard. They take centuries to break down. Even when they do they continue being a nuisance: the plastic doesn't just evaporate over time, it breaks down into smaller bits that hang around for ages. Animal life continues to ingest them unknowingly, compounded by the effect that these bits of plastic absorb and concentrate organic pollutants. All for the convenience of you not having to bring a reusable bag around. If you prefer plastic bags over reusable shopping bags you are an imbecile.
lets ban politicians [editline]2nd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Headhumpy;51611244]Plastic bags are disgusting. They litter the environment. They're extremely difficult to recycle and most waste companies won't bother, so putting them in the recycling bin does fuck all. They endanger animal life, being both a suffocation and ingestion hazard. They take centuries to break down. Even when they do they continue being a nuisance: the plastic doesn't just evaporate over time, it breaks down into smaller bits that hang around for ages. Animal life continues to ingest them unknowingly, compounded by the effect that these bits of plastic absorb and concentrate organic pollutants. All for the convenience of you not having to bring a reusable bag around. If you prefer plastic bags over reusable shopping bags you are an imbecile.[/QUOTE] They are more eco friendly then those heavy plastic bags you are supposed to reuse, because they are rarely used more then two or 3 times. 1 plastic bag is perhaps less then a gram in plastic... the real problem is in recycling methods not being adapted to plastic this flexible.
[QUOTE=_Axel;51611187]Are they banning them or raising their prices? Because I'm arguing for the former here. What's the point of having disposable grocery bags? There's no con to using reusable bags for this. If you want to use them for other purposes, then buy bags that are made for that. The point of the ban is that people don't get handed tons of bags they apparently find no use for since the resulting litter is found everywhere.[/QUOTE] I agree there is no downside to using reusable bags for most things, but at the end of the day people are still going to throw bags away even if it's just the trash bag, considering the amount of plastic that's in your average bag I'd be quite a bit more concerned about the many tons of plastic and other shit in consumer products we throw away each day, a large amount of which gets dumped or burned rather than recycled, banning bags may help the environment but imo it's only a tiny step in the right direction and is likely to have minimal impact by itself.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51609656]I'm ok with this. We have more important matters to attend to in this world. What kind of bags shoppers use to take their groceries home in is almost irrelevant entirely compared to the impending persecution of a sizeable chunk of the population, the impending economic downfall, etc etc. We can worry about plastic bags after we've secured rights for our workers, for non-straight folk, when we've warded off the threat of global economic collapse and pushed the Great War of 2077 8 years closer to 2077. Having tried the fabric reusable bags: They fucking suck and are a pain in the goddamn ass. I haven't touched mine in several years and I probably never will. I don't even know where they are. Better solution: Make the disposable bags out of something that does break down in a reasonable amount of time instead of trying to impose taxes or bans on them.[/QUOTE] Just get nylon. They hold 50 lbs, the feel like fabric after some use, and you can fit more than you need right in your pocket. They don't care about items sweating and if you spill something in or on them then they can be thrown in the wash. [url]https://baggu.com/collections/reusable-bags[/url] Baggu ones are my favorite, despite the company obviously being a little too full of itself. You can often get them on amazon for a few bucks. I just keep them in my vehicle.
[QUOTE=Dantz Bolrew;51609528]It would suck if they banned plastic bags where I live, I like to use them as trash bags that way I don't have to buy any.[/QUOTE] Same. Plastic bags are already banned in California so you're fucked if that's what you used to line your trash cans.
I don't understand people who want to ban plastic bags. Do you not produce garbage? How do you contain and dispose of it without garbage bags? How do you clean up after your dog's crap when you walk it, or deal with a cat's litterbox?
[QUOTE=Ardosos;51613230]I don't understand people who want to ban plastic bags. Do you not produce garbage? How do you contain and dispose of it without garbage bags? How do you clean up after your dog's crap when you walk it, or deal with a cat's litterbox?[/QUOTE] With garbage bags? Ie not grocery bags. Plastic bags bans are aimed specifically at stores so that they don't give away shitty non-reusable plastic bags like candy and so the environment doesn't end up littered with them. It doesn't prevent people from buying actual garbage bags.
[QUOTE=_Axel;51613286]With garbage bags? Ie not grocery bags. Plastic bags bans are aimed specifically at stores so that they don't give away shitty non-reusable plastic bags like candy and so the environment doesn't end up littered with them. It doesn't prevent people from buying actual garbage bags.[/QUOTE] You mean there are people out there who would use an entire garbage bag to clean up their dog crap? To me that sounds way more wasteful than plastic grocery bags ever could be.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;51613230]I don't understand people who want to ban plastic bags. Do you not produce garbage? How do you contain and dispose of it without garbage bags? How do you clean up after your dog's crap when you walk it, or deal with a cat's litterbox?[/QUOTE] How do you dispose of garbage? Perhaps in a garbage bag? It's not really that far fetched. Those simple plastic bags aren't going to hold much anyway.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;51613302]You mean there are people out there who would use an entire garbage bag to clean up their dog crap? To me that sounds way more wasteful than plastic grocery bags ever could be.[/QUOTE] No, they use a small dog shit bag like a normal person.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;51613302]You mean there are people out there who would use an entire garbage bag to clean up their dog crap? To me that sounds way more wasteful than plastic grocery bags ever could be.[/QUOTE] You know trash bags come in a variety of sizes, right? Including small ones around the same size as grocery bags.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;51613302]You mean there are people out there who would use an entire garbage bag to clean up their dog crap? To me that sounds way more wasteful than plastic grocery bags ever could be.[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/511qslxS6zL.jpg[/IMG] for 15 bucks I can take my dog out once a day for nearly 3 years [editline]2nd January 2017[/editline] "oh crap i'm outta poop bags guess i gotta run to the store and buy groceries so i can use the bags"
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