Wikileaks Founder Threatens to Release 'Doomsday' File - Polidicks

i vote to dismantle CIA it's a dumb organization

[QUOTE=faze;26543814]I'm entitled to my opinion, stop raging.[/QUOTE] Not to point out the already pointed out, but you're a goddamn hypocritical joke. [QUOTE=faze;26543841]Wow, I really piss people off on here.[/QUOTE] Maybe if you didn't post angry, murderous kneejerk shit, you wouldn't.

Wow, I really piss people off on here.

He stepped over the line when he started threatening and blackmailing the government.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;26543831]What is so death wish about leaking documents? How does leaking information correlate to deserving to die? Is this a precedent we are setting that anyone with sensitive information better shut up or they'll be knocked off by the CIA?[/QUOTE] Just a reminder, I never said he deserved to die. I'm just saying he's bringing this on himself. Besides that, this is government information he's leaking, classified too. Stuff we're not supposed to know in the first place. If you honestly think leaking stuff like that comes without negative consequences, you're either in denial or terribly naive.

[QUOTE=faze;26543841]Wow, I really piss people off on here.[/QUOTE] FYI, it's your fault

So what's happening, will the password be released then? D:

[QUOTE=faze;26543841]Wow, I really piss people off on here.[/QUOTE] and embarrass yourself at the same time

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;26543846]Just a reminder, I never said he deserved to die. I'm just saying he's bringing this on himself. Besides that, this is government information he's leaking, classified too. Stuff we're not supposed to know in the first place. If you honestly think leaking stuff like that comes without negative consequences, you're either in denial or terribly naive.[/QUOTE] Leaking information does not carry the death penalty and any government who thinks so deserves to have their shit leaked. Even the guy in the US military who actually leaked the stuff isn't in Guantanamo bay or something. The criminal activities here are the ones committed by those leaking, not the ones reporting. Assange is under no obligation to keep his shit secret as he has signed no contract nor does he break any law. They may want to keep him quiet but they had better do it through coercion rather than assassination.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;26543901]Leaking information does not carry the death penalty and any government who thinks so deserves to have their shit leaked. Even the guy in the US military who actually leaked the stuff isn't in Guantanamo bay or something. The criminal activities here are the ones committed by those leaking, not the ones reporting. Assange is under no obligation to keep his shit secret as he has signed no contract nor does he break any law. They may want to keep him quiet but they had better do it through coercion rather than assassination.[/QUOTE] But several people of influence want Manning executed.

He wouldn't release a 'doomsday file' anytime soon, because if he does he wouldn't have anything left to protect him. On top of that he essentially turned himself in. I haven't really been following this, but I predict some kind of detainment followed by a new leak in a month of two of some more trivial stuff to prove they can still operate with the situation fading out of the news for awhile. Also I agree with the people saying he's not a criminal for exposing things other people did. He's essentially a newspaper.

[QUOTE=faze;26543905]But several people of influence want Manning executed.[/QUOTE] Too fucking bad. Unless they bring him out of the country to a secret CIA prison, he's under the law and firebrand politicians can't do shit about giving him the death penalty.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;26543927]Too fucking bad. Unless they bring him out of the country to a secret CIA prison, he's under the law and firebrand politicians can't do shit about giving him the death penalty.[/QUOTE] If they find him guilty of treason, it's possible. Treason carries the death penalty in the States.

[QUOTE=faze;26543932]If they find him guilty of treason, it's possible. Treason carries the death penalty in the States.[/QUOTE] a load of bollocks anyway

I'd post what I think in image form, but I think image macros are frowned upon here. So I'll just type it out. [U][I][B]DO IT, FAGGOT[/B][/I][/U]

Faze, do you like governments behind their citizens' back? Wouldn't you want to know what is [i]your[/i] country, the government [i]you[/i] chose, is up to? Won't you call the politicians traitors? After all, if the file really is a "doomsday file", I believe there definitely are some fucked up secrets. Assange is just exposing the truth and their work. I wish he just publishes the password.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;26543901]Leaking information does not carry the death penalty and any government who thinks so deserves to have their shit leaked. Even the guy in the US military who actually leaked the stuff isn't in Guantanamo bay or something. The criminal activities here are the ones committed by those leaking, not the ones reporting. Assange is under no obligation to keep his shit secret as he has signed no contract nor does he break any law. They may want to keep him quiet but they had better do it through coercion rather than assassination.[/QUOTE] Assange is under no obligation to publish everything he gets either. He had a choice, he's paying for it. Though I'll have to agree with that last sentence.

[QUOTE=faze;26543932]If they find him guilty of treason, it's possible. Treason carries the death penalty in the States.[/QUOTE] [quote]To avoid the abuses of the English law (including executions by Henry VIII of those who criticized his repeated marriages), treason was specifically defined in the United States Constitution, the only crime so defined. Article III Section 3 delineates treason as follows: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted. [/quote] What Manning did is by no definition Treason. For it to be Treason, it has to be knowingly abetting the enemy in an act against the united states. It might be espionage, or some other crime, but it's not treason and he wouldn't get executed for it.

"Dooo eeeeet".

[QUOTE=3v3ryb0dy;26543621]wikileaks is now offically a terrorist organisation. :munch:[/QUOTE] It should be

I'm not sure if I support this any more Assange, please be smart and only reveal corruption kthx

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;26543958]What Manning did is by no definition Treason. For it to be Treason, it has to be knowingly abetting the enemy in an act against the united states. It might be espionage, or some other crime, but it's not treason and he wouldn't get executed for it.[/QUOTE] Fair enough but still the info he leaked was not criminal. If you read the leaked documentation on the incident, the soldiers were following orders, and the people on the ground were in fact armed.

[QUOTE=faze;26543932]If they find him guilty of treason, it's possible. Treason carries the death penalty in the States.[/QUOTE] The US has a very specific definition of Treason and this would have a very hard time falling under it. The Treason charges are bullshit and even if they weren't, Treason isn't always the death penalty and for this he would only get prison.

[QUOTE=EdoI;26543950]Faze, do you like governments behind their citizens' back? Wouldn't you want to know what is [i]your[/i] country, the government [i]you[/i] chose, is up to? Won't you call the politicians traitors? After all, if the file really is a "doomsday file", I believe there definitely are some fucked up secrets. Assange is just exposing the truth and their work. I wish he just publishes the password.[/QUOTE] When are people gonna get it in their skulls that telling the truth isn't always the best idea?

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;26543981]When are people gonna get it in their skulls that telling the truth isn't always the best idea?[/QUOTE] Yep.

[QUOTE=bopie;26543922]He wouldn't release a 'doomsday file' anytime soon, because if he does he wouldn't have anything left to protect him. On top of that he essentially turned himself in. I haven't really been following this, but I predict some kind of detainment followed by a new leak in a month of two of some more trivial stuff to prove they can still operate with the situation fading out of the news for awhile. Also I agree with the people saying he's not a criminal for exposing things other people did. He's essentially a newspaper.[/QUOTE] It would be a bit weird of him to hand him self in then release it. They were just saying on the news that the extradition hearing might not even start for 10 weeks, then it could go on for "years" with appeals (however I think his visa would expire before then and he would politely be told to go home). At least if he is released on bail between now and the extradition hearing he will sort of be safe, the police would have to know where he is.

[QUOTE=faze;26543559]So it seems Facepunch is in favor of Wikileaks' existance, even though it doesn't allow a government to have secrets. FYI - Transparent governments don't work.[/QUOTE] Because our governments over the last century have worked really well?

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;26543981]When are people gonna get it in their skulls that telling the truth isn't always the best idea?[/QUOTE] This is not about complete openness in matters of security, it is about forcing accountability onto governments regardless of secrecy. Not everything needs to be known, but some things should be leaked and the opportunity for those to be should not be removed.

If it directly affects the people that the government look after, the people should be entitled to know what's happening.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;26544007]This is not about complete openness in matters of security, it is about forcing accountability onto governments regardless of secrecy. [b]Not everything needs to be known, but some things should be leaked and the opportunity for those to be should not be removed.[/b][/QUOTE] "I want to have access to this information they won't give me so I'll just take it" Yes, that's a great train of thought.