Jar Jar would have been received better if it wasn't for the fact that he was so gratingly annoying.
I understand that Star Wars is a family movie and has a lot of appeal to kids, but that doesn't mean he had to be so annoyingly written.
[QUOTE=megafat;49156409]Jar Jar would have been received better if it wasn't for the fact that he was so gratingly annoying.
I understand that Star Wars is a family movie and has a lot of appeal to kids, but that doesn't mean he had to be so annoyingly written.[/QUOTE]
Star Wars is not a family movie. It just happens to not be rated R and lots of kids like scifi movies.
Granted, but the second trilogy (particularly the phantom menace) targeted a younger audience without a doubt.
I must admit this is quite a fun theory, it'd be nice to see Lucas's reaction if somebody brought this up in a interview with him
[QUOTE=Kybalt;49151932]What director would want the big bad to be the most hated character, right?[/QUOTE]
hated in in the sense that he's an uninteresting, badly written and annoying character. Making him the central bad guy would just piss people off. The speculation seems more like a big joke rather than a genuine attempt at guessing who the real antagonist is.
[QUOTE=KlaseR;49157757]hated in in the sense that he's an uninteresting, badly written and annoying character. Making him the central bad guy would just piss people off. The speculation seems more like a big joke rather than a genuine attempt at guessing who the real antagonist is.[/QUOTE]
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one thing that always stood out to me is george saying [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-SaMu8k3w]Jar Jar is the key to all of this[/url]. He then goes on to talk about how the character is funnier than what they've done before but I really want to see the full conversation for more context of what he was discussing leading up to that
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one thing that always stood out to me is george saying [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-SaMu8k3w]Jar Jar is the key to all of this[/url]. He then goes on to talk about how the character is funnier than what they've done before but I really want to see the full conversation for more context of what he was discussing leading up to that[/QUOTE]
knowing Lucas it was probably pretty stupid
As stupid and kind of awesome as the whole Darth Jar Jar theory is, said theory being true will not redeem the prequels at all.
They're still horribly written, horribly filmed, horribly directed movies.
[QUOTE=Rahu X;49160009]As stupid and kind of awesome as the whole Darth Jar Jar theory is, said theory being true will not redeem the prequels at all.
They're still horribly written, horribly filmed, horribly directed movies.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but if that's true then they'll be those uncomfortable kind of movies that you know are objectively terrible but damn it they've got some deep shit going on there.
People hundreds of years from now won't be able to appreciate that, but those of us who live now could appreciate it.
[QUOTE=KlaseR;49157757]hated in in the sense that he's an uninteresting, badly written and annoying character. Making him the central bad guy would just piss people off. The speculation seems more like a big joke rather than a genuine attempt at guessing who the real antagonist is.[/QUOTE]
Yup. Evil Jar Jar is a cool theory and maybe the original intention, but it wouldn't make his current scenes any more bearable. If Lucas actually did make the awful comic relief character a villain more powerful than Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine then people would have gone apeshit and the films would have sucked anyway. JJ Abrams can either bring back the most annoying character in the enormous history of Star Wars as the ultimate evil and piss people off, or accept him as an abomination and move on to create something much better. Emphasising Jar Jar Binks as a means to revive Star Wars is an awful idea, imagining otherwise requires extremely wishful thinking.
[QUOTE=dai;49159380]one thing that always stood out to me is george saying [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-SaMu8k3w]Jar Jar is the key to all of this[/url]. He then goes on to talk about how the character is funnier than what they've done before but I really want to see the full conversation for more context of what he was discussing leading up to that[/QUOTE]
wow seeing the cast actually emoting in that clip really hammers home how monotone the movies are. it's like the acting equivalent of that girl in the red coat from Schindler's List
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whoah what emotions? what are those?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49154792]I would argue that rewriting the 2nd film prequel ironically made it worse than what it could have been.
I hate sand.
Revealing Jar Jar as the actual Sith culprit in the 2nd film, though may have angered fans, would have made the first film better in hindsight of a better perspective.
If the prequels were to mirror the original series, then the 2nd film should have had a big 'twist' like that of Vader revealing himself as Luke's father. There was no big twist like that in Attack of the Clones, which likely would have been the reveal of Jar Jar as the evil phantom in the first movie.[/QUOTE]
If Jar Jar suddenly became a sith lord in the second or third movie and not act clumsy and an idiot anymore and reveal that the whole thing was just an act, i don't think many fans would have been angry, in fact i think they would have suddenly started liking the character.
[QUOTE=Adarrek;49160617]If Jar Jar suddenly became a sith lord in the second or third movie and not act clumsy and an idiot anymore and reveal that the whole thing was just an act, i don't think many fans would have been angry, in fact i think they would have suddenly started liking the character.[/QUOTE]
I doubt they would have liked him, but I can see them hating him a bit less.
So I've been watching the Clone Wars show cause it's pretty good as it turns out and came across this scene, thought I'd add it to the Darth Jar Jar discussion: [url]https://youtu.be/oFp60XEXm5w?t=28m44sp[/url]
Shitty quality, but the point is there. All the hand motions, and he just changes this guy's mind 180 degrees with one statement. And the way the leader says the word "now" is exactly the same way Jar Jar says it, which is a tell for mind tricks (dunno if I'm grasping at straws with that though).
I dunno if the Clone Wars writers were on board with the Darth Jar Jar story aspect that Lucas had planned, but on top of everything else that scene caught my attention. I honestly think that theory is pretty goddamn believable :v:
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49156227]I'm freaking out over here with that fucking mind control video dai posted.[/QUOTE]
When I first read the theory and saw the mind control video, I thought it was just a scary coincidence, but when you look at how he [i]draws a smile at a funeral[/i] and how people panicked when he returned to his homeworld . . . . . well . . . .
[video=youtube;VOf3hhsjtOg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOf3hhsjtOg[/video]
(some of the vid is pushing it but between the above mentions and the third Padme control vid, it seems probable, especially since he says he grabbed Qui Gon to Padme rather than just being in the way. Whose funeral did he smile at? Take a guess.)
It looks like Jar Jar just as a bunch of idle mouth animations. His character is very twitchy and unpredictable. This uncles the funeral scene.
People are just so bored and sick of Jar Jar hate that they go through incredible lengths to prove some dark plot that doesn't exist.
I put this on the same level of 9/11 conspiracies honestly
[QUOTE=Glitchman;49169159]It looks like Jar Jar just as a bunch of idle mouth animations. His character is very twitchy and unpredictable. This uncles the funeral scene.
People are just so bored and sick of Jar Jar hate that they go through incredible lengths to prove some dark plot that doesn't exist.
I put this on the same level of 9/11 conspiracies honestly[/QUOTE]
Jar Jar'a mouth doesn't emote randomly in most scenes.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;49169159]It looks like Jar Jar just as a bunch of idle mouth animations. His character is very twitchy and unpredictable. This uncles the funeral scene.
People are just so bored and sick of Jar Jar hate that they go through incredible lengths to prove some dark plot that doesn't exist.
I put this on the same level of 9/11 conspiracies honestly[/QUOTE]
I don't think it’s that farfetched to believe Lucas simply changed his ideas because people hated Jar Jar. The amount of little details in the person's theory is pretty convincing.
I think I'm gonna throw my hat into the ring of this twisted conspiracy and see what happens:
Jar Jar also knows Anakin from TPM. If anything, he's so friendly with him by what we got with him in AoTC that he'd do anything for him. Come A New Hope when all but Palpatine is gone. Jar Jar went into hiding, secretly admiring the newly transformed Skywalker into Vader, and perhaps learned the ways of the Dark Side. Then Return of the Jedi happens when Vader dies as a Jedi. His helmet from the pyre on Endor is taken when Luke isn't looking by Kylo Ren. Binks isn't Ren, but both he and his master are Vader's worshipers. We don't have the Grand Admiral's face confirmed...
Even if Jar jar was evil, it wouldn't change the fact they spent an entire movie with him as shitty comic relief.
yoda was introduced and revealed to be more than he first appeared within the same movie.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49161189]I doubt they would have liked him, but I can see them hating him a bit less.[/QUOTE]
That's fine. You don't have to like the evil characters anyway.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;49171928]yoda was introduced and revealed to be more than he first appeared within the same movie.[/QUOTE]
I wish they didn't do that too. What an embarrassment to star wars.
[QUOTE=J!NX;49173266]I wish they didn't do that too. What an embarrassment to star wars.[/QUOTE]
Uh? I thought it was a good way to illustrate that the power of a Jedi didn't reside in physical prowess or fighting techniques, but in his relationship to the Force. Or are you talking about something else?
[QUOTE=Glitchman;49169159]It looks like Jar Jar just as a bunch of idle mouth animations. His character is very twitchy and unpredictable. This uncles the funeral scene.
People are just so bored and sick of Jar Jar hate that they go through incredible lengths to prove some dark plot that doesn't exist.
I put this on the same level of 9/11 conspiracies honestly[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't put my money on it being definitely true, but I'm going to settle for "plausible".
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[QUOTE=draugur;49172113]That's fine. You don't have to like the evil characters anyway.[/QUOTE]
I like to believe that the best evil characters are the ones you hate. Not because of character annoyances, but by just how evil they are. There should be no remorse, no sympathetic background that makes you feel sorry for the character or "understand" why they're so evil.
Darth Vader was the epitome of this definition of an evil character until the prequels were made and turned him into a crybaby emo teenager.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;49171928]Even if Jar jar was evil, it wouldn't change the fact they spent an entire movie with him as shitty comic relief.
yoda was introduced and revealed to be more than he first appeared within the same movie.[/QUOTE]
He is so full of evil that he managed to manipulate a whole generation of people into thinking he was just a comic relief.
[QUOTE=J!NX;49173266]I wish they didn't do that too. What an embarrassment to star wars.[/QUOTE]
You are just plainly, objectively outright wrong.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49148100]I want to believe![/QUOTE]
you should because the voice actor, Ahmed Best, basically confirmed it on twitter. After that reddit post, he wrote [quote]I will say this, it feels really good when the hidden meaning behind the work is seen. No matter how long it takes. #TPM[/quote]
#TPM, aka, The Phantom Menace.
[url]https://twitter.com/ahmedbest[/url]
it's not even speculation at this point that jar jar was meant to be the sith version of yoda.
Making Yoda fight physically was the worst mistake they could have ever done besides doing the prequels like they did in the first place
It's a shame then that such a plot device was wasted due to The Phantom Menace being ass
I think George Lucas hates Star Wars, honestly. It's probably caused him more grief at this point than anything else. I can't say that his attitude has helped though, and this snarky comment about wanting to be Jar Jar Binks is just another potato in the stew at this point. If you catch my meaning.
For you all you know the motion capture of Jar Jar caught him mouthing off the other actor's lines. It's a common thing that amateur actors do during scenes. You can see it a lot in other places. I still think that the whole theory is ridiculous, and is in line with some of the wacky 9/11 conspiracies out there.
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