Ukraine is a fight for liberal democracy, right? Maybe not quite: at the heart of the protests is a

[sloppy_joes]

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];43695923']Probably not, but as the article did say there's a chance they could ride their immediate support to elecotral victories in smaller elections soon. Svoboda already has 36 seats in parliament.[/QUOTE]

36/450... so 8%

[[Seed Eater]]

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43703567]36/450... so 8%[/QUOTE]

Golden Dawn had less and did more.

[sloppy_joes]

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];43703625']Golden Dawn had less and did more.[/QUOTE]

That's because golden dawn members are actually going out and doing shit, Golden dawn has no significant power in parliament afaik.

[editline]28th January 2014[/editline]

Just because some fringe party gets a few more seats doesn't mean they are suddenly going to become all powerful

[Melnek]

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;43697919]Oh god are you for real?

"natural course of action"

Please, never ever be in charge over anything more important than a dumpster truck.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't planning to, I was just telling you that this is how most protests and riots are dealt with. Unless you live in some fantasy realm where governments don't take action against dissenters, feel free to inform me otherwise. I never even said I supported such actions, but rather that this is simply how things are, period, and that this doesn't make the Ukrainian government some sort of unheard of, super-evil institution.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;43698135]I believe this is the same guy who thought every country should just disband their military and then we would have world peace, while also defending Israel's foreign policy.[/QUOTE]

I dunno, I've never defended anything Israel-related but rather commented on existing, factual Israeli problems to which I've also never claimed to have the answers for, I was trying to put things into perspective.

This is the opposite of when I was arguing hypothetical idealism in which I said disbanding military organizations worldwide is the rightful course towards world peace and I stand by these claims.

I'm confused as to why my opinions on different matters are somehow important here, anyway.

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[QUOTE=Reshy;43695909]Except they're just bandwagoning, they will have no power in the government.[/QUOTE]

You're kidding, right? History is full of examples of extremists seizing a populist movement and using it to gain power. The recent political upheaval in Egypt is a clear example, or look at the government of Zimbabwe following the Rhodesian dissolution. Whichever faction is most forceful and most organized can seize control, even if they represent a minority.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43703637]Just because some fringe party gets a few more seats doesn't mean they are suddenly going to become all powerful[/QUOTE]

No, but it has worked in the past, especially with political reformation. The end of the Weimar Republic at the hands of a 'fringe party' came pretty quickly, and they seized power without even securing a majority.