Bill Gates: New Windows 8 system is 'very exciting' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Hullu V3;37858617]My god, so hard and complicated. I'm going to die. [IMG]http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o272/Crazy47/Metro.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o272/Crazy47/Desk.png[/IMG] Wow, should've thumbed those if I knew how.[/QUOTE] [t] image here [/t

the only thing I don't like about metro is that some of the color choices are really questionable can you pick your own colors for it?

Until the start screen supports nesting folders it's an outright disaster. Scrolling through 20+ pages of applications, that frequently have similar or identical icons is not functional. The concept of a fullscreen start menu is fine, and arguably a good one in some ways, but without the ability to put shit in folders it's just a mess. I want readable text, and I want icons beside the text, not this tile crap. The amount that your eyes and mouse need to move to find stuff has gone up by several orders of magnitude, and that is objectively bad. I also cannot configure metro applications to the extent that a conventional desktop allows me to do so. As an example, many of the programs I use allow me to drag palettes or toolbars into their own window and move that and resize it however I wish. I can have an applications main window take up 2/3rds of my screen and have a toolbox on the top 2/3rds of the remaining 1/3rd and fit my media player in the bottom 1/3rd. To the best of my knowledge this is impossible with metro style applications. Horizontal scrolling is retarded. It's like trying to play FPS games inverted from what you are used to, only it's about forty-seven times worse. I still don't understand the removal of aero. It was a piece of eye candy that I seem to be unique in actually liking. It's a real shame too. Besides the obvious pet peeves like the up a directory button that never should have been removed, the main desktop interface has some really wonderful things going for it. The task manager is usable. The folder options are great, and there are tons of great built in functions that have been a long time coming. It's just brought to its knees by all the schizophrenia and inability to seamlessly blend together with the metro components. I want to like 8, but I just cannot use it in it's current state because I am forced to use this clusterfuck of a start screen. [img]http://www.python.org/images/terminal-in-finder.png[/img] If they had done something that operated somewhat like this, it would be fanfuckingtastic. As is, it consumes disproportionate amounts of my time hunting for stuff that I don't open extremely frequently. This has enormous room for improvement, but a nested system like this is perfect for hunting. Add in the ability to open up multiple directories at once, and split horizontal space when doing so and you've suddenly got a simple layout that is effortlessly navigated with a keyboard, mouse, or even touch, provides a clear folder structure layout, and scales effortlessly.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;37858749](...) The amount that your eyes and mouse need to move to find stuff has gone up by several orders of magnitude, and that is objectively bad. (...)[/QUOTE] I may respond to your complete post at one point, but let me just point out that you're wrong in this regard. If you've read all the research Microsoft's done, you'd know that it's at least objectively better then the old interface - might not be in real life (though I would be of that opinion), but at least they've got this part settled.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;37858892]I may respond to your complete post at one point, but let me just point out that you're wrong in this regard. If you've read all the research Microsoft's done, you'd know that it's at least objectively better then the old interface - might not be in real life (though I would be of that opinion), but at least they've got this part settled.[/QUOTE] I navigate by the first 3-4 letters of folder names until I get into a specific sub-directory. If someone hunt and pecks via pictures, I don't honestly know. If the metro interface supported folders I don't know either. As is it outright requires move panning scrolling and moving your cursor. I find it extremely difficult to believe anything that says that folders are less efficient for hunting files down than a list. I'm not dealing with 50, or even 100 icons here. I have over 1000 icons in my start menu, and that's after I pruned stuff for windows 8 testing. Huge numbers of them are scripts that I've created, and those have a very small subset of icons. You simply must rely on text. I've read some of the research, and I'm unaware of any specifications for what exactly they compared things to, and how varried usage habbits are. I am open to correction on this, but I again, cannot fathom how this is possible. If I do not know what something is called, but have an idea or two about what folder its in, I can find it in less than 10 seconds with folders. With the metro interface it frequently takes me closer to 30-40 seconds because I have to skim through hundreds of applications that should not be visible because they should be compacted into a folder that I haven't expanded.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;37859058]I navigate by the first 3-4 letters of folder names until I get into a specific sub-directory. If someone hunt and pecks via pictures, I don't honestly know. If the metro interface supported folders I don't know either. As is it outright requires move panning scrolling and moving your cursor. I find it extremely difficult to believe anything that says that folders are less efficient for hunting files down than an unorganized list. I'm not dealing with 50, or even 100 icons here. I have over 1000 icons in my start menu, and that's after I pruned stuff for windows 8 testing. I've read some of the research, and I'm unaware of any specifications for what exactly they compared things to, and how varried usage habbits are. I am open to correction on this, but I again, cannot fathom how this is possible. If I do not know what something is called, but have an idea or two about what folder its in, I can find it in less than 10 seconds with folders. With the metro interface it frequently takes me closer to 30-40 seconds because I have to skim through hundreds of applications that should not be visible because they should be compacted into a folder that I haven't expanded.[/QUOTE] You can pin folders on the start screen and it'll open up in Explorer - I don't know if that's what you mean.

If I put a folder in the start menu in 7, and put stuff in it. When I open the start menu, I see the folder. Clicking on, hovering over, or any number of other input options opens that folder, and reveals it's contents. If there are folders around that folder I don't have to open them too. If there are folders in that folder, I don't have to open them, even if they are beside the application/script/whatever I want. 8 just has everything in a fuckhuge list with all the directories expanded already. At a minimum I want them collapsed with the option to expand them. Ideally I could define certain directories to be expanded already. Something that operates in a fashion similar to this, or the mac screen I posted earlier. [IMG]http://www.la-solutions.co.uk/images/dlgFolderBrowser.jpg[/IMG] Add whatever eyecandy, and gloss you want. This is functional. Having all those directories expanded by default, with no way to compress them, is not. Simple as that.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;37858749]Until the start screen supports nesting folders it's an outright disaster. Scrolling through 20+ pages of applications, that frequently have similar or identical icons is not functional. The concept of a fullscreen start menu is fine, and arguably a good one in some ways, but without the ability to put shit in folders it's just a mess. I want readable text, and I want icons beside the text, not this tile crap. The amount that your eyes and mouse need to move to find stuff has gone up by several orders of magnitude, and that is objectively bad. I also cannot configure metro applications to the extent that a conventional desktop allows me to do so. As an example, many of the programs I use allow me to drag palettes or toolbars into their own window and move that and resize it however I wish. I can have an applications main window take up 2/3rds of my screen and have a toolbox on the top 2/3rds of the remaining 1/3rd and fit my media player in the bottom 1/3rd. To the best of my knowledge this is impossible with metro style applications. Horizontal scrolling is retarded. It's like trying to play FPS games inverted from what you are used to, only it's about forty-seven times worse. I still don't understand the removal of aero. It was a piece of eye candy that I seem to be unique in actually liking. It's a real shame too. Besides the obvious pet peeves like the up a directory button that never should have been removed, the main desktop interface has some really wonderful things going for it. The task manager is usable. The folder options are great, and there are tons of great built in functions that have been a long time coming. It's just brought to its knees by all the schizophrenia and inability to seamlessly blend together with the metro components. I want to like 8, but I just cannot use it in it's current state because I am forced to use this clusterfuck of a start screen. [img]http://www.python.org/images/terminal-in-finder.png[/img] If they had done something that operated somewhat like this, it would be fanfuckingtastic. As is, it consumes disproportionate amounts of my time hunting for stuff that I don't open extremely frequently. This has enormous room for improvement, but a nested system like this is perfect for hunting. Add in the ability to open up multiple directories at once, and split horizontal space when doing so and you've suddenly got a simple layout that is effortlessly navigated with a keyboard, mouse, or even touch, provides a clear folder structure layout, and scales effortlessly.[/QUOTE] We used MacOS during design school and one of the thing I fucking loved about it was how it's explorer system worked. It's soooo much faster and convienent to scroll and navigate through your computer's file structure with the above interface than it is with Window's default one. Not to mention clicking in the sides of the mouse conveniently arranges all windows/folders/programs you have open on a grid on your screen, making it really easy to switch between folders/programs without having to go to the taskbar and clicking through menus to get there. It's so much faster to work in, I love it. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjBptHy3IIw[/media] (ignore the pretenious music and the stupid intro)

The reason i dont like metro is because its meant for touch screens or kinect. When xbox switched to metro it was a pain in the ass to find things. It still is, not to mention win8 like xbox adds fucking ads. Why the hell should i have to look at advertisements in my OS.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;37859396]The reason i dont like metro is because its meant for touch screens or kinect. When xbox switched to metro it was a pain in the ass to find things. It still is, not to mention win8 like xbox adds fucking ads. Why the hell should i have to look at advertisements in my OS.[/QUOTE] I see no ads.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;37859396]The reason i dont like metro is because its meant for touch screens or kinect. When xbox switched to metro it was a pain in the ass to find things. It still is, not to mention win8 like xbox adds fucking ads. Why the hell should i have to look at advertisements in my OS.[/QUOTE] What advertisements? There's no advertisements in Windows 8, and that's just another sign that you never even tried it out (saying it's like the Xbox is also a sign).

Bill is one of the greatest men of our era. Heart of gold and a genius, i REALLY hope he stays alive for as long as possible.

Guys This is exciting

[QUOTE=Stopper;37856495][video=youtube;X0fsyb-ttcw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw[/video] This is why I don't like Windows 8.[/QUOTE] Oh man. This is a late reply but please, nobody base their opinions off this video. These guys have no idea what they're talking about. A lot of the stuff they complain about (searching the Control Panel, keyboard shortcuts etc.) is all in there. They just didn't seem to bother actually looking stuff up. I will admit that some points are true but the amount of crap they talk is frustrating.

I like the metro start screen. I can fit more shortcuts on it.

Windows 8 doesn't belong to desktops because Win 8 Style UI mostly designed for tablets. So it's worth upgrading if you have tablet PC. Desktops are fine under 7. inb4 win8 faggots shower me with boxes [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Meme reply / Flaming" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;37859419]What advertisements? There's no advertisements in Windows 8, and that's just another sign that you never even tried it out (saying it's like the Xbox is also a sign).[/QUOTE] Some of the starting applications come with embedded advertisements last I checked. Not going to reinstall them to check. [editline]30th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=KorJax;37859371]Not to mention clicking in the sides of the mouse conveniently arranges all windows/folders/programs you have open on a grid on your screen, making it really easy to switch between folders/programs without having to go to the taskbar and clicking through menus to get there.[/QUOTE] Alt+tab Windows + tab.

[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;37859745]Windows 8 doesn't belong to desktops because Win 8 Style UI mostly designed for tablets. So it's worth upgrading if you have tablet PC. Desktops are fine under 7. inb4 win8 faggots shower me with boxes[/QUOTE] win7 for lyef! How about you rip your head out of your ass and see for yourself what Win8 is like and not base your opinions on things other dumbasses say without trying it out first.

[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;37859745]Windows 8 doesn't belong to desktops because Win 8 Style UI mostly designed for tablets. So it's worth upgrading if you have tablet PC. Desktops are fine under 7. inb4 win8 faggots shower me with boxes[/QUOTE] Calling people who disagree faggots? That's a great way to get people to respect your opinion!

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;37859997]Calling people who disagree faggots? That's a great way to get people to respect your opinion![/QUOTE] I respect his opinion to the fullest.

[QUOTE=Ybbats;37858592]But it's not fine as a "new start menu" which Microsoft seems to really really want it as, and most people really really don't want to use it as. The two ideas are not parallel at all, Metro is fine... as a separate app people can use at their own whim, not with the entire rest of the OS built around it. And of course I'm talking about for use on desktops, not tablets which I don't really care about, but can see that the new interface options are all clearly designed for tablets.[/QUOTE] That's not entirely true. Though you're right about it not being a new start menu. They're meant to be two separate interfaces and, as it currently stands, Metro is for casual use and the desktop is for productivity. I can certainly see Metro being used for productivity, though, with just a few tweaks that may come with the next major version. The Metro version of OneNote is brilliant in some of the UI ideas it presents it's just not as feature filled as the desktop version. Personally, I love the Metro paradigm for casual use. I don't have to worry about focus, it's much more consistent, I don't have to sift through loads of download sites to find a program I want to download. Of course, for productivity, I would go desktop all the way. Also, I don't understand the load of cynicism people seem to have for tablets. Touch is actually a really intuitive form of interface and can make productivity applications much more smooth to use. The only issue is typing but you can just plug in a keyboard and you're away in that respect.

It's not terrible. It's the best OS Microsoft has put out in terms of performance, yeah the meshing of Metro and traditional desktop needs to be integrated better but anyone who disagrees is a complete retard that hasn't used it or is jumping on the "OH GOD THE START BUTTON IS GONE". You want a start button so damn bad? Start8 [img]http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/start-8.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Chernarus;37860042]I respect his opinion to the fullest.[/QUOTE] You're not someone he's calling a faggot.

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;37860116]You're not someone he's calling a faggot.[/QUOTE] Which is why I respect his opinion.

Well, I'll wait a year just to be certain that a switch to Win 8 ultimate would be smart. There's just so many conflicting opinions, I just can't figure out if it's smart to upgrade now... Even though I have a free licens.

[QUOTE=Kidd;37856016]Damn Bill. I hate for the day to come when he passes away. :[[/QUOTE] Hopefully he takes the oxygen mask and doesn't start ranting about it's design with his dying breath like a certain someone else did...

I think 8 will be pretty decent, but I have to say. I hate how facepunch assumes that if you dislike any changes in it you're all of a sudden an ignorant rider of the bandwagon. I mean a lot of complaints are very reasonable. Some of the changes seem iffy and could inconvenience some users. And is it not reasonable to be opposed to changes in an OS that people have been using for over a decade.

[QUOTE=Chernarus;37860129]Which is why I respect his opinion.[/QUOTE] And which is not a surprise that you haven't contributed into this thread intellectually at all.

[QUOTE=Hullu V3;37860145]And which is not a surprise that you haven't contributed into this thread intellectually at all.[/QUOTE] You don't support a modular GUI that isn't locked down? Okay, if you still disagree you're a massive hypocrite because neither have you.

[QUOTE=Stopper;37856495][video=youtube;X0fsyb-ttcw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw[/video] This is why I don't like Windows 8.[/QUOTE] I like how they said we tried to get the old start menu back but couldn't, and in that screen when they were saying that, it said disable metro ui...