• Atheists least charitable group in UK, Muslims and Jews among most charitable
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Yeah, it makes sense that Muslims give the most since they have to donate a proportion of their earnings to charity - it's just as important to them as fasting on Ramadan and praying five times a day. [QUOTE=AK'z;41849982][url]http://www.atheismuk.com/campaigns/witches/[/url] the entire website focuses on religion apart from this one article. yet... athiesm is kind of... not about religious ideals. Am I rather confused or dumb? [editline]15th August 2013[/editline] [url]https://humanism.org.uk/[/url] this is more like it[/QUOTE] Atheism is about religious ideas in the sense that it's a lack of one of them (the idea that a god exists). Kind of like "not collecting stamps" is about stamps in the sense that you're not collecting them, and if there was a website specifically about "not collecting stamps" it'd probably have a lot of talking about stamps and why you don't need to collect them. That doesn't mean a person who doesn't collect stamps has anything to do with stamps themselves, or even necessarily know that stamps are a thing.
Figure-head Atheists like Patrick Condell and Dawkins will criticize religious groups such as Muslims for not having any accountability, but funnily enough it seems like some atheists here can't seem to accept that UK Atheists are less charitable than their religious counterparts.
[QUOTE=The golden;41849846] In other words: This study is horseshit.[/QUOTE] Why? Religious people donate more to charity, that's all this study is saying
[QUOTE=AK'z;41850440]Where is your source? This is quite a clueless remark imo. Unless you live in Scotland.[/QUOTE] This source argues they are the most deprived faith group in the UK [url]http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/oct/12/religion.news[/url]
[QUOTE=The golden;41850406]I don't recall ever asking anyone for proof/saying I would provide some in the first place but w/e.[/QUOTE] Then your posts are horseshit :)
Hold on, reading the article it looks like a smaller percentage of Jewish people donate than atheists, even though the average £ is higher. So when they donate Jewish people tend to donate more £ than atheists, but less of them do it. [editline]edit[/editline] [QUOTE=Lamar;41850463]Figure-head Atheists like Patrick Condell and Dawkins will criticize religious groups such as Muslims for not having any accountability, but funnily enough it seems like some atheists here can't seem to accept that UK Atheists are less charitable than their religious counterparts.[/QUOTE] Please don't associate the rest of us with nutters like Pat Condell. :\
Polls aren't the best way to find out statistics about money. [I]An average of 440€ a year sound a lot for any group. Especially for a group that has... -3 to 4 times higher unemployment rates -Most people with no qualifications -Twice the people considered to be in "poor health" -More people renting houses from the council or Housing Association than any other group ...[I]compared to UK national average. Sounds suspicious, but I may be wrong too.[I] Also, this explains why atheists are so far behind. E: fug the graph doesn't work. [QUOTE][/I][/I][/I]Atheists are young. Fully 55 percent are under age 35. Only 20 percent are 50and over, as opposed to 37 percent of all Americans. Interestingly, Agnostics areolder than Atheists, though still younger than the general population, as shownin Figure 3-2 . Beyond the numbers shown here, ARIS data show that one-third of Atheistsare under age 25. Half of them are age 30 or under. This age structure has majordemographic consequences. It helps explains their marital status—41 percentare singles never married and only 40 percent are married. Among Agnosticsand “no religion” adults, about 30 percent are singles never married and about50 percent are married. Once again, the Agnostic and “no religion” are similar toone another while the Atheists’ marital status is more distinct.[I][I][I][/QUOTE] [/I][/I][/I]
Wow thanks for the graphs with no labels! I agree with the atheists now!
[QUOTE=Maucer;41850582] Also, this explains why atheists are so far behind. [IMG]http://htmlimg2.scribdassets.com/33yugakqyobpb53/images/3-aa99d11ed9.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] I have no strong feelings on this graph one way or the other.
It's because were more cynical about where the money goes towards since were kind of aware that a lot of the charitable foundations have huge overheads and it's mostly a dozen people profiting and giving maybe 10-20 percent of the money they receive to whatever project.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41850962]were kind of aware that a lot of the charitable foundations have huge overheads and it's mostly a dozen people profiting and giving maybe 10-20 percent of the money they receive to whatever project.[/QUOTE] What's this got to do with being an atheist?
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41850962]It's because were more cynical about where the money goes towards since were kind of aware that a lot of the charitable foundations have huge overheads and it's mostly a dozen people profiting and giving maybe 10-20 percent of the money they receive to whatever project.[/QUOTE] this is honestly so pathetic 'Lol we atheists are above charities and know better' giving to a charity even with large overheads is better than not giving
[QUOTE=The golden;41851126]Being concerned about where your money is going is a very wise idea considering many charities seriously lack transparency and the money goes to to questionable locations. I really wish people would stop treating charities like they're made of peaches and cream and rainbows and bunnies. There are too many corrupt "charity" groups to just throw money around Willy-nilly.[/QUOTE] I'm not denying this, but that guy seems to be trying to say that atheists are simply far too intelligent compared to the religious fools which to be honest, is being a dickhead
So since there are corrupt charities you won't contribute to any of them? Even the ones with low or no overhead at all? I'm just hearing excuse after excuse, don't atheists normally get all riled up when the religious make excuses when their own faults are exposed?
There's so much denial in this thread. Atheists are less likely to give to charity because they're not peer pressured into it whilst attending religious meetings (mass, prayer groups etc.) I'm an atheist myself, I don't give to charity simply because I'm never exposed to it. I go to work, come home and spend my time online. If I go out into town the only charitable giving available is people in the streets with banners/buckets, which I just ignore as I'm busy. Compare this to the weekly meetings religious people go to. It only takes one person in the congregation to go up and drop a fiver in a bucket and then you feel bad for NOT donating.
[QUOTE=Lamar;41850463]Figure-head Atheists like Patrick Condell and Dawkins will criticize religious groups such as Muslims for not having any accountability, but funnily enough it seems like some atheists here can't seem to accept that UK Atheists are less charitable than their religious counterparts.[/QUOTE] I couldn't care less about Dawkins or whoever "stands up for atheists". I'm an atheist, that doesn't make me any more connected to any other other atheist than two guys not playing golf are. I'm not contesting the study's results (they really don't surprise me all that much), I'm just contesting that I should be lumped into an atheist group at all, since there's really no bond - what the hell should we even bond about? I was never forced to church, so I can't be butthurt about that like r/atheism and connect with other 12-year olds through that.
And these are the same people who yell at Christians for praying for disaster victims and tell them to donate instead... ok
Not really surprised. Mosque and Churches always hold charity events or some shit so there's higher chances of religious people finding the opportunity to donate. An Anecdote here but for me the only time I find the chance to donate something is when the school is holding a charity event to help poor students and when I get forced to visit the mosque. Other than that it's just go to school>get home>go online>sleep>rinse and repeat
implying that skepticism over charities has any relation to religious skepticism
because muslims HAVE to donate. it's in their religion. because of extremists, people think islam is something terrible. if you earn like 20,000 usd in one year you have to donate 450$ to charities or homeless people, any person/group that needs money. also every year they have to multiply 5 usd with number of people that are living in the family and donate that too. poor muslims don't have to do any of these. there's lots of (normal) muslims and they all do this.
[QUOTE=testinglol;41851426]because muslims HAVE to donate. it's in their religion. because of extremists, people think islam is something terrible. if you earn like 20,000 usd in one year you have to donate 450$ to charities or homeless people, any person/group that needs money. also every year they have to multiply 5 usd with number of people that are living in the family and donate that too. there's lots of (normal) muslims and they all do this.[/QUOTE] Muslims in non-Muslim countries are less likely to do this.
[QUOTE=Coffee;41851503]Muslims in non-Muslim countries are less likely to do this.[/QUOTE] it's a must in islam if you aren't poor. quran also tells muslims to help people.
I find there to be too many opportunities to donate so choose not to, at work there's too many people handing around collections for stuff like birthdays, leaving, promotions, babies, marriage, new house then there's casual Friday, raffles, bingo, food charity and it just goes on and on. That's not even accounting for any special days like red nose day or poppy day (probably more) and any charity shops or donation boxes in stores. So it's not like being religious has much of a difference as to opportunities to donate but there's probably peer pressure, fear or other influences about the beliefs of religion that affect one's ability to donate.
Interesting fact in the article [QUOTE] According to the poll of 4,000, carried out in conjunction with the JustGiving website, nearly four in 10 atheists did not donate at all, compared to three in ten Muslims, Catholics and other Christians, nearly three in ten Protestants and more than four in ten Jewish people.[/QUOTE] So it seems like roughly the same amount of each group donate, the only difference is in the amount of money. Interesting story for sure though, and I wonder why the money difference is so large.
Of course if the results were that atheists donated more Facepunch would be "FUCK YEAH, ATHEISM, WHY DON'T YOU DONATE TO CHARITY YOU RELIGIOUS HYPOCRITES" there would be absolutely no doubts on the validity of a study that makes your side look good
Can anyone said pro muslim and jew propaganda?
[QUOTE=The golden;41852855]Unlikely considering how anti-atheist FP actually is.[/QUOTE] lmfao okay [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1271524"]it's literally 50% atheists[/URL]
Lol Lamar this thread is such a thinly veiled attack towards Atheists. So what if they're not as charitable? What possible motive do you have to keep making such a remark? Donating to charities does not make you a morally superior being.
[QUOTE=The golden;41852855]Unlikely considering how anti-atheist FP actually is.[/QUOTE] The forum is hardly anti-athiest. But for some reason the atheists that tend to post a lot seem to think they aren't and that any atheists that are causing "problems" are just assholes.
[QUOTE=Lamar;41851164]So since there are corrupt charities you won't contribute to any of them? Even the ones with low or no overhead at all? I'm just hearing excuse after excuse, don't atheists normally get all riled up when the religious make excuses when their own faults are exposed?[/QUOTE] Why are you lording it over people like they're inferior? Why are you acting like this is SOLELY because religion makes you a "more charitable person" than ANY other reason that has been talked about? Nope, it's cause those atheists are terrible, terrible people.
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