[QUOTE=Uncle Bourbon;34261428]what if the balls drop[/QUOTE]
didn't something like that happen in the St. Petersburg or Moscow subways a while back? a support column tore through the roof of a train and killed like 8 people.
It was around when that boat accident happened.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;34261280][quote]hiring musicians to perform safety songs[/quote]
uhhhh...[/QUOTE]
Don't worry. They will do the safety dance as well.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;34261056]Probably too expensive to improve the infrastructure of train system for the whole country for that.
Oh hey, my first serious post in this thread.[/QUOTE]
It's probably near the same cost when stacked against paying for looney tunes horseshit like oversized concrete newton's cradles.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;34261774]It's probably near the same cost when stacked against paying for looney tunes horseshit like oversized concrete newton's cradles.[/QUOTE]
not really, these were probably really cheap to make, as opposed to investing in new signal systems, new rails, new larger capacity trains and facilities...
Probably by a magnitude of a million or more.
Oh boy. In my head I had the Indonesian military training by surfing trains, and the troops had concrete balls. Nothing like this...
Why don't they just make roofless trains?
[QUOTE=Sector 7;34261866]Why don't they just make roofless trains?[/QUOTE]
then people would pack onto the trains even more
roofed = double decker, more people, less density.
non-roofed is essentially a flatcar I guess
One word:
Riot shields.
They need to place those anti-bird spikes they put on the roof of buildings
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[QUOTE=ewitwins;34262147]One word:
Riot shields.[/QUOTE]
Which would vaporize immediately, being plastic after all, And send shards of plastic into the eyes of people atop the train at god knows how many miles an hour as they are also pulverized against giant concrete balls.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;34262242]Which would vaporize immediately, being plastic after all, And send shards of plastic into the eyes of people atop the train at god knows how many miles an hour as they are also pulverized against giant concrete balls.[/QUOTE]
no no, riot shields are tough :downs:
So they changed train surfing from a means of transportation into an extreme sport?
[QUOTE=Camundongo;34260786]People can get hurt surfing on trains, so you put something above the track to hurt people surfing trains.
I'm sure there's logic in there somewhere.[/QUOTE]
there is, instead of a chance of injury, its a guarantee of injury, now would you want to do something that will defiantly hurt ALOT
Make the rooves of the cars into high powered conveyor belts that rotate towards the engine at like 25 mph and start up 10 mins after the train has started moving, and every 10 min interval afterwards
[QUOTE=sHiBaN;34262231]They need to place those anti-bird spikes they put on the roof of buildings
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The article said they already tried barbed wire. That's kind of similar I suppose. Still, giant concrete spheres doesn't sound like the best solution to me.
But it sure is one of the cooler solutions, I'll give them that.
So what happens when the chain rusts, the ball falls onto the tracks, and a train punts it 700 feet into downtown traffic
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34261828]not really, these were probably really cheap to make, as opposed to investing in new signal systems, new rails, new larger capacity trains and facilities...
Probably by a magnitude of a million or more.[/QUOTE]
Couple hundred bucks for the concrete, couple hundred bucks for the chain, couple hundred bucks for the iron frame, installation and repairs if they actually get hit nonwithstanding, the cost of one of these should be at least a thousand dollars. They say they'll install more of these if they work. Outfitting [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Indonesia#Rail_Network"]their rail network[/URL] would start running them the cost of a new passenger car. Throw in the other goofy and ineffective stuff they've tried and that budget starts to get pretty acceptable for at least minor improvements.
Don't forget rail prices over here are hella inflated, they're using cheap old diesel shit that doesn't run a few million in middleman's fees to get.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34263300]So what happens when the chain rusts, the ball falls onto the tracks, and a train punts it 700 feet into downtown traffic[/QUOTE]
Hilarity ensues.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;34263954]Couple hundred bucks for the concrete, couple hundred bucks for the chain, couple hundred bucks for the iron frame, installation and repairs if they actually get hit nonwithstanding, the cost of one of these should be at least a thousand dollars. They say they'll install more of these if they work. Outfitting [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Indonesia#Rail_Network"]their rail network[/URL] would start running them the cost of a new passenger car. Throw in the other goofy and ineffective stuff they've tried and that budget starts to get pretty acceptable for at least minor improvements.
Don't forget rail prices over here are hella inflated, they're using cheap old diesel shit that doesn't run a few million in middleman's fees to get.[/QUOTE]
our estimates for the price of the balls is similar, I'd say ~1000.
However the problem that causes it is the entire network is running overcapacity, that's why people are trainsurfing anyways. they've already tried double and quadtracking to expand... they would have to expand even more
[quote]Construction of new railway lines has been few and far between, and most new construction is concentrated on double- and quad-tracking of existing railway lines. Most of the former tramway lines have been closed, reducing the mileage from about 7000 km to only 3000 km.[/quote]
They would need to upgrade the trains themselves to carry more people, which will involve new cars, new locomotives and more. Maybe not a factor of 1000000, but easily 10000
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;34260651][img]http://www.paklinks.com/gsmedia/files/70620/Train1.jpg[/img]
Battle train![/QUOTE]
Just imagine those concrete balls smashing through dozens of people :v:
[QUOTE=viperfan7;34263149]there is, instead of a chance of injury, its a guarantee of injury, now would you want to do something that will defiantly hurt ALOT[/QUOTE]
No! Don't hurt the Alot!
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And why not use steel balls, so you can turn it into a Newton's cradle when a train surfer hits one one of them?
Wouldn't it make more sense if they just removed the roof completely?
[QUOTE=Sector 7;34261866]Why don't they just make roofless trains?[/QUOTE]
Have you heard about those mousson rains they have there? With an open roof a passenger train would turn into water transport.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34263300]So what happens when the chain rusts, the ball falls onto the tracks, and a train punts it 700 feet into downtown traffic[/QUOTE]
We see if the driver got a strike or a spare.
[QUOTE=FlashFireSix;34260607]So when they die what happens?[/QUOTE]
Self solving problem.
[QUOTE=MIPS;34260600]"Previous attempts to deter roof riders included spraying roofs with paint, spreading oil on carriages and [b]hiring musicians to perform safety songs.[/b]"[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII&ob=av3e[/media]
The balls aren't there to beat people off the train, but to make it harder to stay on when the train is leaving/entering the station etc.
Who says they cant avoid them by hanging off the side or boarding as the train moves past the balls? I think they should place them randomly on a higher speed track section... watch people bail out off the train if they do that though.
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