[QUOTE=RichardNixon;16336895]Not thirteen but I'm glad you bring ageism into the discussion, clearly you don't care about the children. And what is society without it's children?
It may have originally been criminalized based on corporate interests but a new factor has come into play, it is unhealthy. And if it had not been for their greed and bigotry marijuana would be used just in the way tobacco is, our society would have generated another unnecessary handicap.[/QUOTE]
Marijuana is not unhealthy enough to handicap society. Regardless it is not anybody's job to regulate what goes into an individual's body, unless it poses danger to others.
[QUOTE=Conscript;16336985]Marijuana is not unhealthy enough to handicap society. Regardless it is not anybody's job to regulate what goes into an individual's body, unless it poses danger to others.[/QUOTE]
AIDs encrusted needles for heroin ?
[QUOTE=jesseluver93;16336892]Stop being an ageist douche.
And stop using smuggling coffee beans as an example. Obviously you wouldn't get in trouble because Coffee is NOT ILLEGAL.
You are trying to tell us that these kids have some sort of justification for smuggling 1000 pounds of marijuana. They broke the law, they serve the consequences.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure his argument was about the morality of illegalizing marijuana. Coffee is just the same or worse as marijuana but almost everyone drinks it.
[quote]AIDs encrusted needles for heroin ? [/quote]
Learn to spell, please.
[quote]If you're not 18+, in the real world your opinion doesn't mean shit in politics and that isn't ageism, it's reality. [/quote]
Still ageism, dickfart.
[QUOTE=dgg;16336910]Marijuana has never been that big, thus it's possible to keep it illegal.[/QUOTE]
Never been that big? Where have you been the last 50 years?
[QUOTE=Alde;16337007]I'm pretty sure his argument was about the morality of illegalizing marijuana. Coffee is just the same or worse as marijuana but almost everyone drinks it.[/QUOTE]
And it's because almost EVERYONE drinks it that they can't illegalize it even if they wanted too.
[QUOTE=Sharp;16337024]Never been that big? Where have you been the last 50 years?[/QUOTE]
Not alive most of the time really.
And no, it's never been that much of a big market as tobbaco and alcohol.
Sure it had a great hit in the 60's, but it's hardly ever been a normal thing everyone does all over.
Oh man, that'll get me high for hours and hoursssssssss
[QUOTE=RichardNixon;16336651]Don't answer my question with a question bitch.[/QUOTE]
Shut up. You can't justify those things being legal without also justifying pot.
You lose, good day sir.
[QUOTE=chronochicke;16337046]Oh man, that'll get me high for hours and hoursssssssss[/QUOTE]
More like months bro
[QUOTE=Malumbre;16337048]Shut up. You can't justify those things being legal without also justifying pot.
You lose, good day sir.[/QUOTE]
win.
[QUOTE=Alde;16336882]Ageism, gotta love it.[/QUOTE]
Your response to advil0 and I in the IRC seemed like a typical 13-year-old response.
Why do you guys think they put warning labels on the cigarette boxes? Restrict areas to where you can smoke and where you can not? Remove smoke breaks from jobs? And all that shit? They want people to stop smoking just as bad as they want marijuana to stay illegal. But you can't just suddenly illegalize cigarettes as they are so darn popular and has such a big market.
[QUOTE=Alde;16337007]Still ageism, dickfart.[/QUOTE]
Not really, because no one will listen to you in the real world unless you are a proven genius when you are under 18. And when you are 18 they still won't give a rats ass unless you got something real big to say and you got lots of people backing you up with it.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;16337048]Shut up. You can't justify those things being legal without also justifying pot.
You lose, good day sir.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I can.
All that shit is unhealthy, but we can't criminalize it because we'll go through another prohibition, marijuana is illegal due to some bullshit but since it's already illegal we can keep it illegal in an attempt to protect our citizens without them wanting to overthrow the government.
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also above post^
They were studying at [b]HIGH[/b] school
If I were them I would have smoke it all on the return journey.
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;16336251]I would also like to take this time to tell you all that I smoked marijuana during high school but I'm not some fucking stoner, I don't smoke it anymore and I probably will never again but I do support the legalization because when I have kids, I don't want them using cigarettes because those are the only legal alternative.[/QUOTE]
Uhhh, with all the anti-smoking propaganda out nowadays its hardly a problem. The only children who pick up smoking anymore are either dirties/emos( Particularly the super hardcore ones.), or the dumb preppy bitches/dicks(Who have a B average from cheating and think smoking makes you a man/whore.). I would never think about picking up a cigarette, why? Because my parents told me it was bad and so did the school. (Contrary to popular belief, authority works if followed without question.) Wouldn't it be better just to have respiratory drugs disappear altogether rather than create a 'substitute'?
Nixon, head over to the drug discussion sub-forum and try to start a topic about why marijuana shouldn't be legalized, any argument you put forward will be torn to pieces by them.
[QUOTE=RichardNixon;16337164]Yeah, I can.
All that shit is unhealthy, but we can't criminalize it because we'll go through another prohibition, marijuana is illegal due to some bullshit but since it's already illegal we can keep it illegal in an attempt to protect our citizens without them wanting to overthrow the government.
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also above post^[/QUOTE]
Protect them from what? People are still smoking weed, only they have the risk of being thrown in jail, overcrowding it and wasting tax dollars, as well as having their entire lives essentially ruined. And why the fuck would they overthrow the government if weed is legalized? I can see them trying if we take away their precious alcohol and cigarettes, but not by giving them [i][b]more freedoms[/b][/i]. If anything, legalizing weed would ease any kind of anti-government/law enforcement tension, especially since the people who give a shit in the first place would probably just go out and buy some quality weed, sit back and enjoy some TV.
You failed even harder than the last time you tried to explain your standpoint.
what were they going to do with a half fucking ton of reefer
[QUOTE=Adrego;16337326]Nixon, head over to the drug discussion sub-forum and try to start a topic about why marijuana shouldn't be legalized, any argument you put forward will be torn to pieces by them.[/QUOTE]
Will do in a week or two.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV6;16337144]Your response to advil0 and I in the IRC seemed like a typical 13-year-old response.[/QUOTE]
Cybering on IRC is so mature.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;16337349]Protect them from what? People are still smoking weed, only they have the risk of being thrown in jail, overcrowding it and wasting tax dollars, as well as having their entire lives essentially ruined. And why the fuck would they overthrow the government if weed is legalized? I can see them trying if we take away their precious alcohol and cigarettes, but not by giving them [i][b]more freedoms[/b][/i]. If anything, legalizing weed would ease any kind of anti-government/law enforcement tension, especially since the people who give a shit in the first place would probably just go out and buy some quality weed, sit back and enjoy some TV.
You failed even harder than the last time you tried to explain your standpoint.[/QUOTE]
This is especially true as illegal marijuana will make it dangerous, thus more attractive to many. It makes them feel cool because they are doing something they shouldn't, which is a really common primitive behaviour we humans have.
By making it legal there will no longer be any form of danger getting it, thus all the attractiveness following it goes away. But It will increase the amount of people doing it, I'm quite sure of that as it then goes over to that, "oh, it's legal now, I've kind of always wanted to try it". But if it increases over a long period, who knows.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;16337349]Protect them from what? People are still smoking weed, only they have the risk of being thrown in jail, overcrowding it and wasting tax dollars, as well as having their entire lives essentially ruined. And why the fuck would they overthrow the government if weed is legalized? I can see them trying if we take away their precious alcohol and cigarettes, but not by giving them [i][b]more freedoms[/b][/i]. If anything, legalizing weed would ease any kind of anti-government/law enforcement tension, especially since the people who give a shit in the first place would probably just go out and buy some quality weed, sit back and enjoy some TV.
You failed even harder than the last time you tried to explain your standpoint.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand how to read.
They wouldn't overthrow the government if weed was legalized, they would overthrow the government if alcohol and tobacco were criminalized. Re-read my post please.
[QUOTE=dgg;16337421]This is especially true as illegal marijuana will make it dangerous, thus more attractive to many. It makes them feel cool because they are doing something they shouldn't, which is a really common primitive behaviour we humans have.[/QUOTE]
Not everyone smokes pot just to be seen as cool, asshole.
Poor peoples, they would be [b]rich[/b] now if they had sold it.
[QUOTE=Alde;16337446]Not everyone smokes pot just to be seen as cool, asshole.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say that. I said "to many".
Please read before calling me an asshole.
[QUOTE=dgg;16337154]Why do you guys think they put warning labels on the cigarette boxes? Restrict areas to where you can smoke and where you can not? Remove smoke breaks from jobs? And all that shit? They want people to stop smoking just as bad as they want marijuana to stay illegal. But you can't just suddenly illegalize cigarettes as they are so darn popular and has such a big market.[/QUOTE]
Hah! you think the government (If I'm right about you referring 'they' as to the government) to legalize cigarettes? One of America's biggest cash crops?
No, the reason we have warning labels and no smoking areas is because every god damn American has started to accept "I can't decide my life, save me government!" kind of bullshit.
America is turning to one big nanny state and the fact that we need giant "SMOKING KILLS" labels on every god damn pack of cigarettes is only proving how helpless and idiotic Americans are getting.
[QUOTE=RichardNixon;16337424]I don't think you understand how to read.
They wouldn't overthrow the government if weed was legalized, they would overthrow the government if alcohol and tobacco were criminalized. Re-read my post please.[/QUOTE]
[quote]marijuana is illegal due to some bullshit but since it's already illegal we can keep it illegal in an attempt to protect our citizens without them wanting to overthrow the government.[/quote]
All I'm getting from the way you've stated this is that, we can keep people's freedoms from them, but grant them just enough to keep them from actually doing anything about it.
You still didn't answer why weed should be illegal while other things are not. Alcohol being legal because people will throw a hissy fit if it isn't, isn't justification for its legality when weed is clearly the less dangerous of the two substances.
[QUOTE=Blunt Master;16337503]Hah! you think the government (If I'm right about you referring 'they' as to the government) to legalize cigarettes? One of America's biggest cash crops?
No, the reason we have warning labels and no smoking areas is because every god damn American has started to accept "I can't decide my life, save me government!" kind of bullshit.
America is turning to one big nanny state and the fact that we need giant "SMOKING KILLS" labels on every god damn pack of cigarettes is only proving how helpless and idiotic Americans are getting.[/QUOTE]
You should fix that first sentence there.
No, the government does not want cigarette sales to stop, at all.
The health corporations do want it to stop however. And seeing as there are fewer and fewer young adults and teens smoking it's a possibility that it's production will be stopped in the future and/or illegalized. But that's far ahead if it will ever happen.
And I live in Europa by the way.
And I don't really see the big problem with the government putting warnings and shit on products, it allows you to know what the fuck you are putting in yourself, if it is dangerous or not. They can't stop you from eating that burger anyways, but hey, you know what it contains which is pretty useful if you want to set up a diet someday, or avoid certain types of food that someone you know is allergic too.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;16337526]You still didn't answer why weed should be illegal while other things are not. Alcohol being legal because people will throw a hissy fit if it isn't, isn't justification for its legality when weed is clearly the less dangerous of the two substances.[/QUOTE]
Yes it is justification. Because we can actually have marijuana illegal without getting society throw a hissy fit.
And what we are having here is at the most a friendly pat on the back in terms of a hissy fit.
[QUOTE=dgg;16337599]Yes it is justification. Because we can actually have marijuana illegal without getting society throw a hissy fit.
And what we are having here is at the most a friendly pat on the back.[/QUOTE]
I understand that, for fuck sake. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. It doesn't make it right.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;16337526]All I'm getting from the way you've stated this is that, we can keep people's freedoms from them, but grant them just enough to keep them from actually doing anything about it.
You still didn't answer why weed should be illegal while other things are not. Alcohol being legal because people will throw a hissy fit if it isn't, isn't justification for its legality when weed is clearly the less dangerous of the two substances.[/QUOTE]
Weed is dangerous, that's why it should remain illegal.
Alcohol is also dangerous; but, weed is already illegal so no one is going to bitch about it like they would if we criminalized Alcohol. It's not about it being less dangerous it's about it being dangerous to some degree and our ability to keep it away from people who would abuse it.
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