3 Teens cought with half a ton of Marijuana - Polidicks

[QUOTE=RichardNixon;16337699]Weed is dangerous, that's why it should remain illegal.[/QUOTE] :psypop:

[QUOTE=Malumbre;16337651]I understand that, for fuck sake. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. It doesn't make it right.[/QUOTE] I don't see why not really. But I don't see why people would want to smoke anything at all or take a bottle of beer either so. I'm not on either side. I can see the stupidness of keeping marijuana illegal and I can see the reasons why it is. And I think it's right to illegalize what you can illegalize if it is considered illegal. [QUOTE=RichardNixon;16337699]Weed is dangerous, that's why it should remain illegal.[/QUOTE] Are you serious? :sigh: Well, the strong weed is dangerous. But marijuana, nope. Unless you go drive a car, or something, but that goes for most things. You shouldn't have a squirrel bite your balls whilst driving, it's only your fault for driving with it biting your balls if you crash or something.

Legalization will help our economy.

[QUOTE=RichardNixon;16337699]Weed is dangerous, that's why it should remain illegal. Alcohol is also dangerous; but, weed is already illegal so no one is going to bitch about it like they would if we criminalized Alcohol. It's not about it being less dangerous it's about it being dangerous to some degree and our ability to keep it away from people who would abuse it.[/QUOTE] They are abusing it anyway. People are going to get weed. You can't stop it. People want it, it gets to them. The only difference is that in order to buy weed, you have to go through criminal avenues, which can be dangerous depending on who you deal with. I've heard of dealers lacing their weed with shit in order to get their clients hooked on other stuff they sell, they spray it down with chemicals like Windex to make it seem more substantial than it is, turning more profit for less product, etc. It puts the product and the profit in the hands of the criminals, just like gun control.

[QUOTE=dgg;16337718]Are you serious? :sigh:[/QUOTE] [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_65wVG6Fngi0/ShCAw0dAyqI/AAAAAAAABjo/IVWZPz0vr6U/s400/NixonApollo11.jpg[/img] Do I look serious?

Owned.

[QUOTE=Malumbre;16337742]They are abusing it anyway.[/QUOTE] And so what? Just because something is illegal doesn't mean everyone stops doing/using it. [QUOTE=RichardNixon;16337759][img_thumb]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_65wVG6Fngi0/ShCAw0dAyqI/AAAAAAAABjo/IVWZPz0vr6U/s400/NixonApollo11.jpg[/img_thumb] Do I look serious?[/QUOTE] I don't know really. I'm pretty sure those guys are serious.

At least someone is trying to bring the green over here.

[QUOTE=dgg;16337774]And so what? Just because something is illegal doesn't mean everyone stops doing/using it.[/QUOTE] Uh, which is exactly my point. And even though I elaborated and edited my post, that's the point you should have got from that quote alone ANYWAY.

[QUOTE=Malumbre;16337812]Uh, which is exactly my point. And even though I elaborated and edited my post, that's the point you should have got from that quote alone ANYWAY.[/QUOTE] By having it illegal LESS people will do it. That's the whole point of making it illegal. We should just stop making murder a crime, it doesn't seem like people stop doing it anyways.

[QUOTE=RichardNixon;16337164]Yeah, I can. All that shit is unhealthy, but we can't criminalize it because we'll go through another prohibition, marijuana is illegal due to some bullshit but since it's already illegal we can keep it illegal in an attempt to protect our citizens without them wanting to overthrow the government. [editline]1:33 AM[/editline] also above post^[/QUOTE] Would you outlaw alcohol/mcdonals if you could? Just wondering, since the only reason you had for having it legal it was because you couldn't criminalize it.

[QUOTE=dgg;16337599]You should fix that first sentence there. No, the government does not want cigarette sales to stop, at all. The health corporations do want it to stop however. And seeing as there are fewer and fewer young adults and teens smoking it's a possibility that it's production will be stopped in the future and/or illegalized. But that's far ahead if it will ever happen. And I live in Europa by the way. And I don't really see the big problem with the government putting warnings and shit on products, it allows you to know what the fuck you are putting in yourself, if it is dangerous or not. They can't stop you from eating that burger anyways, but hey, you know what it contains which is pretty useful if you want to set up a diet someday, or avoid certain types of food that someone you know is allergic too.[/QUOTE] Fair enough, the situations are different from region to region. But smoking in young adults definitely hasn't slowed down here (America, unfortunately). And no, there isn't a big deal if there are warning labels on cigarettes, In fact it's a sensible thing to put on there. But if you didn't already know smoking tobacco isn't good for you, you need to have you're head checked. Plus putting labels on cigarettes is only the beginning. The way things are being run here make it seem like it wouldn't take long for warning labels to be put on fast food, because you could get fat. Or maybe even on a book because you could get hurt by a paper cut. (even though that example is going a little to far)

[QUOTE=dgg;16337844]By having it illegal LESS people will do it. That's the whole point of making it illegal. We should just stop making murder a crime, it doesn't seem like people stop doing it anyways.[/QUOTE] How do you figure? I was never deterred from weed by the legal aspects of it. It was always a personal choice. I do smoke it now, however, once I did a little research and my perspective changed. If someone wants to try weed, they're going to try it, legal or not.

[QUOTE=Malumbre;16337869]How do you figure? I was never deterred from weed by the legal aspects of it. It was always a personal choice. I do smoke it now, however, once I did a little research and my perspective changed. If someone wants to try weed, they're going to try it, legal or not.[/QUOTE] Done some research myself, but I'm not the type that needs or wants drugs. All my 3 sisters plus mom and dad smokes, though most of them are trying to quit. And I think some of them has already. If a human being really wants to do something they do it indeed. But by having it illegal you will actually have to look it up the hard way rather than going to the store which lukes away lots of people (leaving only those that really do want it). Plus having it illegal will make it a bad thing which they are taught at school and shit which further reduces the amount of people that wants it. [QUOTE=Blunt Master;16337859]Fair enough, the situations are different from region to region. But smoking in young adults definitely hasn't slowed down here (America, unfortunately). And no, there isn't a big deal if there are warning labels on cigarettes, In fact it's a sensible thing to put on there. But if you didn't already know smoking tobacco isn't good for you, you need to have you're head checked. Plus putting labels on cigarettes is only the beginning. The way things are being run here make it seem like it wouldn't take long for warning labels to be put on fast food, because you could get fat. Or maybe even on a book because you could get hurt by a paper cut. (even though that example is going a little to far)[/QUOTE] That's a shame. Of course, but especially for you guys there is the whole "It didn't say on the package/manual/whatever" and then they sue the company. If they aren't told every damn silly thing about the product they can sue for it if something bad happens and it doesn't say that there. So it's really more about the stupidity of the law here, they go way to easy on that shit.

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;16337847]Would you outlaw alcohol/mcdonals if you could? Just wondering, since the only reason you had for criminalizing it was because you couldn't.[/QUOTE] If people would be totally fine with the law and it didn't harm anyone in the long run then yes, but that won't happen for a long time and when it does there will be far worse things than alcohol tobacco and marijuana.

Fuck me, a shitload of people probably envied those kids as they were when they found it.

[QUOTE=dgg;16337939]Done some research myself, but I'm not the type that needs or wants drugs. All my 3 sisters plus mom and dad smokes, though most of them are trying to quit. And I think some of them has already. If a human being really wants to do something they do it indeed. But by having it illegal you will actually have to look it up the hard way rather than going to the store which lukes away lots of people (leaving only those that really do want it). Plus having it illegal will make it a bad thing which they are taught at school and shit which further reduces the amount of people that wants it.[/QUOTE] I see what you're saying, but I don't understand why. Why would you want less people doing it and why would you want them to have to go through criminal avenues to get it? I'd rather my kid admit he smokes weed and know he's getting it from a safe and reliable source, and to know that my/his money is going to a legitimate business man/taxes, than have him keep it from me because it's "bad" and have him support a criminal's lifestyle, and eventually end up attending his funeral 'cause he got killed/addicted to some other, harder shit. I guess that can seem a little farfetched and extreme, but is it really? Also, what does your family smoking have to do with weed (unless you meant smoking weed, I assumed cigarettes)? Weed isn't addictive like nicotine or alcohol, despite what you may have heard. There's a difference between what you're told and what you know from experience and I know that it isn't, that is of course unless by some miracle I have an extremely high tolerance to the alleged addictive substances in weed. I will admit smoking weed isn't harmless, but it's certainly not as bad as alcohol. You can die from overdose of alcohol, you will never be able to smoke as much weed as is required to kill you. Ever. Unless someone straps a mask to your face that prevents oxygen inhalation and pumps you full of the shit for 24 hours. It's my fucking choice to smoke weed, how dare anyone tell me I can't. And believe me, it's not just because I enjoy weed that I want it legalised. I thought about this and came to this conclusion about it and about alcohol before I tried it. It's the reason I finally decided to try in the first place. I used to be anti-drugs. Also, edit: [quote]We should just stop making murder a crime, it doesn't seem like people stop doing it anyways. [/quote] Weed is my choice. I do it in the comfort of my home, by myself or with others who enjoy it as well. It harms no one but myself. Murdering harms someone. That argument is invalid.

[QUOTE=Malumbre;16338069]I see what you're saying, but I don't understand why. Why would you want less people doing it and why would you want them to have to go through criminal avenues to get it? I'd rather my kid admit he smokes weed and know he's getting it from a safe and reliable source, and to know that my/his money is going to a legitimate business man/taxes, than have him keep it from me because it's "bad" and eventually end up attending his funeral 'cause he got killed/addicted to some other, harder shit. I guess that can seem a little farfetched and extreme, but is it really? Also, what does your family smoking have to do with weed (unless you meant smoking weed, I assumed cigarettes)? Weed isn't addictive like nicotine or alcohol, despite what you may have heard. There's a difference between what you're told and what you know from experience and I know that it isn't, that is of course unless by some miracle I have an extremely high tolerance to the alleged addictive substances in weed. I will admit smoking weed isn't harmless, but it's certainly not as bad as alcohol. You can die from overdose of alcohol, you will never be able to smoke as much weed as is required to kill you. Ever. Unless someone straps a mask to your face that prevents oxygen inhalation and pumps you full of the shit for 24 hours. It's my fucking choice to smoke weed, how dare anyone tell me I can't. And believe me, it's not just because I enjoy weed that I want it legalised. I thought about this and came to this conclusion about it and about alcohol before I tried it. It's the reason I finally decided to try in the first place. I used to be anti-drugs.[/QUOTE] Yes, I can see that being a problem, but first of all I don't really give a damn if it's legal or not. It's been illegal for so long that I don't see what reason there is in complaining about it. You know it's illegal and so it has been for ages, why would you so desperately want something that is illegal and on top of that isn't really good for you? If it had been recently been made illegal I could understand it, but now it's just stupid. If my son in the future smoked weed I would try and talk with him and make him stop doing it, not because "it's bad for you", but because "it's illegal". I wouldn't have a problem with him smoking weed if it was legal, but it isn't so I would try and talk him out of it. And if it doesn't work then it's really his fault for not listening if something should happen, not the governemnts fault. Just backing up my statement of not needing/wanting drugs. I'm not anti-drug, I just would like it if people didn't do it, but if they want to then it's their choice, just don't smoke in my face or force a bottle of beer in my throat. I drink if I'm given beer (mostly because I'm trying to see if there actually is any good beer out there, so far the only remotely good thing I've found is Heineken, it's bearable). I'm well aware that weed is hardly addictive, the only danger with it is that you get used to it and the effect weakens so you climb up to stronger types of weed which eventually leads to some dangerous shit and overdozes of it. It's your choice to smoke weed, but you have to accept the fact that it's illegal. There is no reason to complain about something if it's illegal. [QUOTE=Malumbre;16338069]Weed is my choice. I do it in the comfort of my home, by myself or with others who enjoy it as well. It harms no one but myself. Murdering harms someone. That argument is invalid.[/QUOTE] The only reason the argument is invalid is because it causes harms to others. But it's otherwise the same thing and that is my point, everything besides the harm of others. It's valid. It's just hard coming up with other things on the spot.

[QUOTE=dgg;16338265]I'm well aware that weed is hardly addictive, the only danger with it is that you get used to it and the effect weakens so you climb up to stronger types of weed which eventually leads to some dangerous shit and overdozes of it. It's your choice to smoke weed, but you have to accept the fact that it's illegal. There is no reason to complain about something if it's illegal. The only reason the argument is invalid is because it causes harms to others. But it's otherwise the same thing. It's valid.[/QUOTE] Hahah, what the fuck. You can't overdose on weed. I already addressed this. Also, I don't have to accept the fact that it's illegal because the reasons for it being illegal are bullshit and it shouldn't be. And the law can and should be changed. And if I blindly accept the law and do nothing about it, then it will remain that way, won't it? Also, about your edit, you're still wrong. It is a competely invalid comparison because yes, both things are illegal and both things are a personal choice to do despite the legal aspect, but one causes unwanted harm to another, whereas the other causes harm only to one's self. There are very good reasons why murder is illegal and hardly any, if any at all, as to why weed is illegal. Stop saying "It's illegal because it's already illegal so shut the fuck up that's all the reason you need."

[QUOTE=Malumbre;16338363]Hahah, what the fuck. You can't overdose on weed. I already addressed this. Also, I don't have to accept the fact that it's illegal because the reasons for it being illegal are bullshit and it shouldn't be. And the law can and should be changed. And if I blindly accept the law and do nothing about it, then it will remain that way, won't it? Also, about your edit, you're still wrong. It is a competely invalid comparison because yes, both things are illegal and both things are a personal choice to do despite the legal aspect, but one causes unwanted harm to another, whereas the other causes harm only to one's self. There are very good reasons why murder is illegal and hardly any, if any at all, as to why weed is illegal. Stop saying "It's illegal because it's already illegal so shut the fuck up that's all the reason you need."[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure you can on the dangerous kinds. Not on the weak stuff like Marijuana. Or is it just that they start taking Nicotine or whatever? You're not happy with how it's illegal, cry some more. IT'S ILLEGAL, BEAT IT. Yes it will remain that way, go become a politician or make a [B]big[/B] group that is active in real life protesting and spreading the word around instead of bitching about it on forums like this, it won't get you anywhere. That is what I said, the only reason it's invalid is the harm to others part, which you can just forget about. I can't come up with a better one at the moment. Stop saying "It's illegal and I hate it because it's bullshit and I want it."

Why is there people still debating over marijuana reform Keeping it illegal is just putting an unnecessary strain on the justice system, wasting our tax money, funding gangs and their activities, and is depriving our economy from a very, very valuable investment if it was legal. I heavily doubt criminalization has encouraged people not to do it, as weed so widely available and easy to get away with smoking. IIRC, in Amsterdam, marijuana use has not significantly risen since it was decriminalized. Marijuana doesn't have many significant negative side effects. The only really significant negative side effect, is the possibility of getting tossed in jail for smoking it. Furthermore I find it's disgusting that some users on here are speaking of 'protecting our citizens'. The government and the state are supposed to be reflections and extensions of the public. It is the government's job to act in the will of people who voted for them, not act in what they perceive as the public's best interest. There is no rational argument for pot prohibition.

[QUOTE=dgg;16338436]I'm pretty sure you can on the dangerous kinds. Not on the weak stuff like Marijuana.[/QUOTE] What are you talking about? Marijuana is marijuana. Yes, you can get weaker or stronger weed, but it's essentially still weed and not dangerous. It gets dangerous when people start mixing it with other shit, which makes it an entirely new thing, doesn't it? I thought you did research..

[QUOTE=Malumbre;16338491]What are you talking about? Marijuana is marijuana. Yes, you can get weaker or stronger weed, but it's essentially still weed and not dangerous. It gets dangerous when people start mixing it with other shit, which makes it an entirely new thing, doesn't it? I thought you did research..[/QUOTE] When did I say marijuana wasn't marijuana? I said it was the weak kind of weed. But check my edit again. And yes that will be something new. SOME research, not a lot, mainly because I have no need to nor interest in it. And by the way, I'm not saying it shouldn't be legal. I'm saying it isn't and you should just bite it or start actually do something about it if you want it legalized. [QUOTE=Conscript;16338457]Why is there people still debating over marijuana reform Keeping it illegal is just putting an unnecessary strain on the justice system, wasting our tax money, funding gangs and their activities, and is depriving our economy from a very, very valuable investment if it was legal. I heavily doubt criminalization has encouraged people not to do it, as weed so widely available and easy to get away with smoking. IIRC, in Amsterdam, marijuana use has not significantly risen since it was decriminalized. Marijuana doesn't have many significant negative side effects. The only really significant negative side effect, is the possibility of getting tossed in jail for smoking it. Furthermore I find it's disgusting that some users on here are speaking of 'protecting our citizens'. The government and the state are supposed to be reflections and extensions of the public. It is the government's job to act in the will of people who voted for them, not act in what they perceive as the public's best interest. There is no rational argument for pot prohibition.[/QUOTE] Same reason we debate over anything else. It is indeed a waste of good income. But I think too many would complain about it being illegal seeing as how much blind hate it has from many adults, which is weird as a bunch of them grew up in the times when it was normal and legal. But I guess they were heavily influnced by the time of the illegalization. I do believe it has encouraged a lot of people not to do it. But far far far from all. Yeah, protecting the citizens is a common bullshit line you can hear from governments when they are just trying to do something for their own good.

[QUOTE=Conscript;16338457]Why is there people still debating over marijuana reform Keeping it illegal is just putting an unnecessary strain on the justice system, wasting our tax money, funding gangs and their activities, and is depriving our economy from a very, very valuable investment if it was legal. I heavily doubt criminalization has encouraged people not to do it, as weed so widely available and easy to get away with smoking. IIRC, in Amsterdam, marijuana use has not significantly risen since it was decriminalized. Marijuana doesn't have many significant negative side effects. The only really significant negative side effect, is the possibility of getting tossed in jail for smoking it. Furthermore I find it's disgusting that some users on here are speaking of 'protecting our citizens'. The government and the state are supposed to be reflections and extensions of the public. It is the government's job to act in the will of people who voted for them, not act in what they perceive as the public's best interest. There is no rational argument for pot prohibition.[/QUOTE] I completely fucking agree with everything in this post. Well, expect it being completely harmless. It can't be harmless/good to be inhaling any substance other than oxygen, but I don't think it's harmful enough to warrant not smoking it based on that alone. Just don't smoke a shitload every fuckin' day, you'll be fine. [editline]08:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=dgg;16338514]When did I say marijuana wasn't marijuana? I said it was the weak kind of weed. But check my edit again. And yes that will be something new. SOME research, not a lot, mainly because I have no need to nor interest in it. And by the way, I'm not saying it shouldn't be legal. I'm saying it isn't and you should just bite it or start actually do something about it if you want it legalized.[/QUOTE] You can't overdose on weed no matter the potency.

[QUOTE=dgg;16338436]I'm pretty sure you can on the dangerous kinds. Not on the weak stuff like Marijuana. Or is it just that they start taking Nicotine or whatever? You're not happy with how it's illegal, cry some more. IT'S ILLEGAL, BEAT IT. Yes it will remain that way, go become a politician or make a [B]big[/B] group that is active in real life protesting and spreading the word around instead of bitching about it on forums like this, it won't get you anywhere. That is what I said, the only reason it's invalid is the harm to others part, which you can just forget about. I can't come up with a better one at the moment. Stop saying "It's illegal and I hate it because it's bullshit and I want it."[/QUOTE] Yeah, beat it. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqxo1SKB0z8[/media]

[QUOTE=dgg;16338514]SOME research, not a lot, mainly because I have no need to nor interest in it.[/QUOTE] Why are you in a weed topic arguing with a pro-weed user then?

Legalizing cannabis would take a great deal of stress off the judicial system in your backwards ass country, in 2007 there were 872,720 marijuana arrests in your country, think of how many resources it would free up for dealing with serious shit. Also on a separate note nobody ever mentions the retarded amount of uses for cannabis hemp, 25,000 different applications from it's seed oil and fibrous forms, also hemp seeds are ridiculously healthy for you. I could go on about the benefits of cannabis hemp but instead of rambling I'll just post a [url=http://www.hempfarm.org/Papers/Hemp_Facts.html]link[/url]

[QUOTE=OutOfPop;16338550]Yeah, beat it. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KejRh40XBdw[/media][/QUOTE] You posted the wrong Michael Jackson video but that's okay we get your point.

[QUOTE=Malumbre;16338553]Why are you in a weed topic arguing with a pro-weed user then?[/QUOTE] Because I'm allowd to like any other human being. [QUOTE=Malumbre;16338535]You can't overdose on weed no matter the potency.[/QUOTE] kk, I just thought I remembered something about it, but I guess I just mixed it with going over to other kinds of drugs or mixing in other stuff with weed.

[QUOTE=PieHard92;16338559]Legalizing cannabis would take a great deal of stress off the judicial system in your backwards ass country, in 2007 there were 872,720 marijuana arrests in your country, think of how many resources it would free up for dealing with serious shit. Also on a separate note nobody ever mentions the retarded amount of uses for cannabis hemp, 25,000 different applications from it's seed oil and fibrous forms, also hemp seeds are ridiculously healthy for you. I could go on about the benefits of cannabis hemp but instead of rambling I'll just post a [url=http://www.hempfarm.org/Papers/Hemp_Facts.html]link[/url][/QUOTE] no so what that's all bullshit it's illegal so stfu ok all these points are irrelevant it's illegal and should remain that way 'cause the government can get away with it ok [editline]08:56PM[/editline] [QUOTE=dgg;16338589]Because I'm allowd to like any other human being.[/QUOTE] But you don't care about it either way and apparently you haven't done enough research to know that weed doesn't become more dangerous the better it is, so what the fuck.