North Korea closes only communication channel with US and gets real serious - Polidicks

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50707376]lmao "hundreds of thousands" Yeah if every shell landed in the middle of a large gathering with a hundred percent effectiveness, sure, but one that's retarded, two, that's impossible, and three, Nork artillery sure as hell isn't that accurate. Surprisingly shelling a city is actually a real bitch if it has buildings over a certain height because shells striking the corners and roofs tend to produce little casualties as troops attacking Sarajevo found out first-hand. It's only after weeks and months of sustained fighting do the buildings actually collapse (as seen in Damascus and other Syrian cities) and by that time North Korea would be soundly defeated. I've posted a whole bunch of times detailing why they have less than a snowball's chance in hell of winning, suffice to say after the first few hours the number of guns firing on Seoul would be next to none. South Korea has invested heavily in counter-battery radar to direct airstrikes and their own artillery to silence Nork guns as soon as possible because it's the one thing the Norks are truly good at and everyone knows it.[/QUOTE] I think I must have been drunk or something when I made that post. Yeah, what I said actually makes no sense at all.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50707444]portable nuke driven in by truck.[/QUOTE] when you have the DMZ as a major borderzone, and then a fuckton of radiation meters pretty much everywhere in the northern parts of South Korea due to the already noticeable nuclear tests the North carry out, I doubt there'd be much chance of such a thing happening. (unless they go all fantasy and try and make red mercury, the big fad from the 80's and 90's...)

[QUOTE=phygon;50701914]No we don't. Why is it our responsibility [I]again[/I]? It's not. At all. I'd much rather that my tax dollars went to something that WAS our responsibility, like fixing education or our poverty rates or our obviously under trained police force or our homeless or those that can't afford proper healthcare.[/quote] "Wherever men or women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must – at that moment – become the center of the universe." - Elie Wiesel Too many people had the same view as you during the holocaust. Years from now, after the North Korean regime has fallen, we're going to look back on this time in disgust that we did nothing. The opposite of love isn't hate; it's indifference [quote]We can put money into saving people's lives here, on our soil, without starting WAR with one of the simultaneously poorest AND MOST MILITARIZED country on the entire planet. If we liberate them, what then? Do we import them here so they can work? We can't do that, none of them are skilled laborers. Most of them haven't even touched a computer. Who deals with it then? South Korea? They don't want to. Or, we could just lacceave them to languish without fixing anything, which would result in even more human rights atrocities as the country essentially burns with no real leader or governmental system.[/quote] I'm sorry that your money is more important to you than human life and human rights. [quote]Their economy is totally fucked. If we invaded them, unless we spent trillions on stimulating theirs, it would never even begin to recover.[/quote] Well I personally care more about human rights than money, but the same argument could've been made for SOUTH korea after the korean war. if you go by total% of destruction of infrastructure and number of people killed/displaced, the Korean war was, by some historians' accounts, the most destructive war in history. However, the United States and South Korea together created an economic miracle. Korea went from the poorest country in the world in 1953 to one of the richest in the world in 2016. [quote] Also, how is it even remotely a "crisis of our generation"? This shit has been going on since the korean war in 1950, 66 years ago.[/QUOTE] North Korea was, for a time, doing better than South Korea. In the late 70s, South Korea was under a tear gas filled jackbooted military dictatorship and the capitalist world was in economic and political crisis. This is a crisis for our generation because the famine in North Korea started in the 1990s, under Kim Jong-il. During this period, as many as 1 million people starved to death due to government incompetence and greed. We call this period today the [I]arduous march[/I]. Famine continues today and North Korea, of course, remains the most reclusive and oppressive country in the world. The issues with North Korea primarily arose during [I]our[/I] generation, and under Kim Jong-un, it has only become worse: the labor camps have expanded, North Korea has become even more isolationist, and they use their nuclear program to keep their own people hostage to continue to oppress and exploit them. If your tax dollars are that much more important to you than human life, then please consider making a charitable donation to either [highlight][url]http://libertyinnorthkorea.org/[/url][/highlight] or [highlight][url]http://nkinusa.org/[/url][/highlight] both of which are 501(c)(3) organizations and therefore tax deductible.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50707376]lmao "hundreds of thousands" Yeah if every shell landed in the middle of a large gathering with a hundred percent effectiveness, sure, but one that's retarded, two, that's impossible, and three, Nork artillery sure as hell isn't that accurate. Surprisingly shelling a city is actually a real bitch if it has buildings over a certain height because shells striking the corners and roofs tend to produce little casualties as troops attacking Sarajevo found out first-hand. [/QUOTE] Actually i've heard they have plenty of chemical weapons that can be delivered by both their artillery and scud-like rockets, and this is what can actually kill maybe not hundreds of thousands, but tens of thousands for sure.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50707827]"Wherever men or women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must – at that moment – become the center of the universe." - Elie Wiesel Too many people had the same view as you during the holocaust. Years from now, after the North Korean regime has fallen, we're going to look back on this time in disgust that we did nothing. The opposite of love isn't hate; it's indifference[/QUOTE] The world is currently attempting to solve the NK situation through diplomatic ways, so no, we're not indifferent. If you have a better idea that won't result in even more human suffering then by all means, make it known.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50707444]portable nuke driven in by truck.[/QUOTE]They would need to go through a lot of hoops to make that happen and I'm [I]pretty sure[/I] that the South Koreans have thought about this already. [QUOTE=Melkor;50707474]I think I must have been drunk or something when I made that post. Yeah, what I said actually makes no sense at all.[/QUOTE]Well at the very least it gave me an opportunity to explain what I was going to say anyway. It's cool that you admitted you made a mistake, I gave you a star for that but I pretended it's the old winner rating. You're a winner in my heart. [QUOTE=antianan;50708117]Actually i've heard they have plenty of chemical weapons that can be delivered by both their artillery and scud-like rockets, and this is what can actually kill maybe not hundreds of thousands, but tens of thousands for sure.[/QUOTE]Chemical weapons are kind of a bitch to use right (but absolutely dangerous) but a biological weapon would [I]suck.[/I] Were we to believe some of the defectors the North Koreans are apparently involved in a lot of testing of these types of weapons on people in camps, personally I can't imagine why they wouldn't given the nature of the camps and their purpose.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50707444]portable nuke driven in by truck.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50712916]Chemical weapons are kind of a bitch to use right (but absolutely dangerous) but a biological weapon would [I]suck.[/I] Were we to believe some of the defectors the North Koreans are apparently involved in a lot of testing of these types of weapons on people in camps, personally I can't imagine why they wouldn't given the nature of the camps and their purpose.[/QUOTE] Initiating conflict with any of the above and NATO will respond with Nuclear retaliation [QUOTE]Gulf War On January 15, 1991, the Joint Chiefs of Staff declared DEFCON 2 in the opening phase of Operation Desert Storm during the Gulf War.[9] US Secretary of State James Baker had warned that Iraqi chemical weapon use against coalition forces would result in nuclear retaliation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=shutter_eye5;50707500]when you have the DMZ as a major borderzone, and then a fuckton of radiation meters pretty much everywhere in the northern parts of South Korea due to the already noticeable nuclear tests the North carry out, I doubt there'd be much chance of such a thing happening. (unless they go all fantasy and try and make red mercury, the big fad from the 80's and 90's...)[/QUOTE] The concept was how do they win an invasion, id say invade and bring along a portable nuke. At the first sign of serious opposition you retreat and nuke the army advancing on you. Take with it parts of your own if you want to be thorough.

[QUOTE=Michael haxz;50713154]Initiating conflict with any of the above and NATO will respond with Nuclear retaliation[/QUOTE]Threats are not a guarantee, and I'm not sure why you're taking the blustering of a secretary of state as such. (that is not his decision and it never was) Responding with nuclear weapons doesn't make any sense, and besides that this is an entirely different country with an entirely different situation [I]with an entirely different administration that would need to make that decision.[/I]

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50701898]North Korea is the worst human rights crisis of our generation. We have to do something[/QUOTE] and what exactly is that something? assuming that a full out war with NK goes relatively smoothly (it wouldn't), no country is going to want to take up the responsibility of establishing a new government and help modernize the country. we can't just get rid of the regime and then call it quits because then a power vacuum will be created and what comes next could very well be worst than what we have now. then it's also assuming that NK even WANTS our help. even those who are against the current regime might not be very accepting of outside control once it's gone