Same-sex marriage could curb HIV - Polidicks

[QUOTE=gk99;26386673]Yeah because it totally doesn't make people sit around their house with the munchies and not do a damn thing.[/QUOTE] Great argument, so does the Television. Lets ban that next.

[QUOTE=gk99;26386673]Yeah because it totally doesn't make people sit around their house with the munchies and not do a damn thing.[/QUOTE] What's your point? It's none of your business as to what I do in my free time.

[QUOTE=Lemonator;26376926]Then tough shit unless you want aids, the world is overpopulated anyway and not everyone needs more children.[/QUOTE] ADOPT pro-tip : why dont we take the kids we have now instead of create more babys [editline]29th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=johan_sm;26387478]What's your point? It's none of your business as to what I do in my free time.[/QUOTE] Agreed [editline]29th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=gk99;26386673]Yeah because it totally doesn't make people sit around their house with the munchies and not do a damn thing.[/QUOTE] So does the tv hell so does computers... BAN THEM

[QUOTE=ineedateam1;26389444]ADOPT pro-tip : why dont we take the kids we have now instead of create more babys [/QUOTE] Because I want a kid, not step-kid

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26375815]Sort of a specious title. Not that I think that homosexuality is one of the major factors in spreading HIV (consdering that only homosexuals have the higher likelyhood of catching it) but you're saying saying that allowing same sex marraige would stop the problem initially "caused" by homosexuality. How does that make any sense? Not that HIV is THAT big an issue that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed, but allowing gay marriage wouldn't really "help" the problem since the HIV problem for homosexuals was caused by homosexuality in the first place. Sort of an... odd argument to make.[/QUOTE] You're right gays caused aids. Yeah I know it's statistically higher with gays but you're coming off really poorly.

[QUOTE=Angus725;26376881]What if a couple wants children naturally...but one has AIDS? Edit: as far as normal marriages go, slightly off topic.[/QUOTE] use a funnel

Really, I don't see it helping that much. Lots of gay men are in open relationships anyway. I hope I live to see the day when I can get married.

The amount of irony in this thread It's so... [i]RONG[/i]

[QUOTE=bravehat;26384741]I also remember reading that the treatment would have a 1 in 3 mortality rate :v:[/QUOTE] I'm surprised it's not one in two. Flushing all your blood out can hardly be healthy.

[QUOTE=Johnnsen;26383946] Right, except that straight anal sex has been around since literally forever. Might wanna check the history of ancient greece or rome for some interesting facts.[/QUOTE] Um, OK.. Now how long has HIV been around for? :raise: Well, it's technically been around for 32,000 years, but only recently has it been spread to the human population in significant quantity. :eng101: Which is why only now is AIDs a significant problem. [editline]29th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Miskav;26383227]Anal on a female says hi.[/QUOTE] Doesn't really have anything to do with what I just said. There's really only 1 maybe 2 forms of penetrative sex for males on males, whereas vaginal sex with a girl is sort of the obvious one for [I]most [/I]people. I'm saying that anal sex between males may be more common than anal sex between male and female, seeing as anal sex man on woman is sort of an "optional feature" so to speak, vaginal being the star of the show. Whereas on Male to Male there's really only one option when it comes to penetration. (oral sex is sort of technically penetration, in a very basic sense, but probably not really worth nothing) [editline]29th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=DOG-GY;26389701]You're right gays caused aids. Yeah I know it's statistically higher with gays but you're coming off really poorly.[/QUOTE] The story is in relation to HIV in homosexuals, not HIV in homosexuals [I]and[/I] heterosexuals. Being that they are homosexual it's not so likely that they are going to spread HIV to another gender. If anybody is to blame, its the bisexuals :v: The story implies, and you said that (male) gays have a statistically higher percentage of HIV cases. That can be caused by a few things; less condom use among the gay population, and the possibility that anal sex (being the only really available form of penetrative sex) has a higher likelihood of spreading STDs. While gays aren't responsible for the spread of HIV through the general population, they are certainly responsible for the spread of HIV through the gay male population, so allowing Gay Marraige wouldn't really "solve" the problem, considering the very act of repeated unprotected anal sex is likely what caused the problem in the first place. So it's just a weird statement to say it "fixes" the problem, its not even really a temporary solution, even. What would fix the problem is curing HIV and AIDs.

AIDS: Became prevalent in the early 80's. Originated in primates. Homosexuality: Has been recorded for at least as long as there's been writing. I don't understand your point.

[QUOTE=OddLawnGnome;26391244]AIDS: Became prevalent in the early 80's. Originated in primates. Homosexuality: Has been recorded for at least as long as there's been writing. I don't understand your point.[/QUOTE] :doh: Thread title is Same-sex marriage could curb HIV. It's a fundamentally fallacious statement, since technically the cause for the HIV issue [I]among [/I]gay gales is [I]being[/I] a gay male, simply being a gay male and having sex with other gay males is what gives you the higher likelihood of contracting HIV, as your sexual partners have a higher likelihood of being HIV positive due to their relations with other people who also have a higher likelihood of being HIV positive. Saying that same sex marriage [I]among[/I] gay males would curb the problem that is prevalent[I] to[/I] the gay male population, is like saying you can fix a broken TV by turning it off. The only way to curb the problem is to cure HIV or stop being a gay male with HIV. The OP's proposal is the latter of those two. The only reason same sex marriage would "technically" curb the problem is because all the gay males with HIV will [I]die alone[/I], and won't be able to spread the disease; the theory that was proposed is that same sex marriage would wipe out gay male HIV carriers.. The idea in general is pretty crass. It makes same sex marriage look more like population culling than anything else.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26390961]Um, OK.. Now how long has HIV been around for? :raise: Well, it's technically been around for 32,000 years, but only recently has it been spread to the human population in significant quantity. :eng101: Which is why only now is AIDs a significant problem. [/QUOTE] That was more to say that its common among straight couples than it was to say how long it was actually around for.

God damn it allow that thing already, I have enough of these bland polemics about subjects that shouldn't be such taboo.

I don't get how letting them get married is going to help in anyway at least in this case.

[QUOTE=DELL;26399393]I don't get how letting them get married is going to help in anyway at least in this case.[/QUOTE] Most of them don't stay together because they can't concretely fix their couple through marriage, which means it's way easier to give HIV to other people because you tend to get laid with way more people.

[QUOTE=z0nk3d;26399434]Most of them don't stay together because they can't concretely fix their couple through marriage, which means it's way easier to give HIV to other people because you tend to get laid with way more people.[/QUOTE] If people are thinking like that they aren't going to get married or if they do they just going to end up apart in the end.

I think knowing that the government considers you a second class citizen and unfit for marriage is enough to make a lot of people say "Fuck it".

[QUOTE=OddLawnGnome;26399546]I think knowing that the government considers you a second class citizen and unfit for marriage is enough to make a lot of people say "Fuck it".[/QUOTE]Yes, yes it does. Thank you.

[QUOTE=JDK721;26375102]you can thank social conservatives for that[/QUOTE] Sword swings both way son. [editline]30th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;26391645]:doh: Thread title is Same-sex marriage could curb HIV. It's a fundamentally fallacious statement, since technically the cause for the HIV issue [I]among [/I]gay gales is [I]being[/I] a gay male, simply being a gay male and having sex with other gay males is what gives you the higher likelihood of contracting HIV, as your sexual partners have a higher likelihood of being HIV positive due to their relations with other people who also have a higher likelihood of being HIV positive. Saying that same sex marriage [I]among[/I] gay males would curb the problem that is prevalent[I] to[/I] the gay male population, is like saying you can fix a broken TV by turning it off. The only way to curb the problem is to cure HIV or stop being a gay male with HIV. The OP's proposal is the latter of those two. The only reason same sex marriage would "technically" curb the problem is because all the gay males with HIV will [I]die alone[/I], and won't be able to spread the disease; the theory that was proposed is that same sex marriage would wipe out gay male HIV carriers.. The idea in general is pretty crass. It makes same sex marriage look more like population culling than anything else.[/QUOTE] I like that someone else caught that

:a2m: [b] I support this. [/b] Going Ass to Mouth is proven to prevent gay marrage. :smug:

I believe that claim is too speculative to make unless he is backing it up with some statistic about married people with HIV and unmarried people with HIV. Then again, I can't imagine that ever being a good statistic because I don't think many people with HIV get married. Eh, but now I'm just making speculations. [editline]30th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;26375815]Sort of a specious title. Not that I think that homosexuality is one of the major factors in spreading HIV (consdering that only homosexuals have the higher likelyhood of catching it) but you're saying saying that allowing same sex marraige would stop the problem initially "caused" by homosexuality. How does that make any sense? Not that HIV is THAT big an issue that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed, but allowing gay marriage wouldn't really "help" the problem since the HIV problem for homosexuals was caused by homosexuality in the first place. Sort of an... odd argument to make.[/QUOTE] I agree. I think the claim that allowing same sex marriage will greatly lessen unprotected casual sex amongst gay men is a huge stretch of an argument to make.

You miscomprehended. The HIV issue among gay males is caused by having sex with other gay males, since there was a higher percentage of infections in the first place. Ergo allowing gay marriage doesn't *really* curb the problem, it just sexually isolates people who are infected so, well, so they don't pollute the rest of the population. There's really no way to break the idea down to it's fundamentals without it sounding really harsh. The idea in the news story is that you sexually isolate people with HIV, and doom them to die alone. It's culling. It curbs the problem, so to speak, in the same way you could curb West Nile by quarantining and killing everybody that's infected. At any rate, there's no reason to not allow gay marriage anyways. It's not like it'd make the HIV problem any worse, but to propose it as a solution is moronic.

I know how's about we teach safe sex in schools???

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;26401152]I know how's about we teach safe sex in schools???[/QUOTE] B-b-but, safe sex isn't cool.

Well, I suppose technically marriage WOULD curb gay HIV transferral; it doesn't work out well for those HIV-positive gays left isolated, though.

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;26401152]I know how's about we teach safe sex in schools???[/QUOTE] It isn't ? It's the case in France so I thought it was also the case in the US. (well in france they tell you everything you should now about sex. You already know everything about the girl even before getting laid :smug:)

[QUOTE=z0nk3d;26402296]It isn't ? It's the case in France so I thought it was also the case in the US. (well in france they tell you everything you should now about sex. You already know everything about the girl even before getting laid :smug:)[/QUOTE] They don't teach you the concept of safe sex so much as trying to scare you into lifelong abstinence.

[QUOTE=OddLawnGnome;26402322]They don't teach you the concept of safe sex so much as trying to scare you into lifelong abstinence.[/QUOTE] In France they tell us how to use condoms and other kinds of contraception, give us informations about sex itself, and make a free distribution of condoms. (water bombs everywhere this day)

That's in the school system?! In America the best we get is really cheap condoms and actual useful information from Planned Parenthood. Fantastic organization.