Global study of students: Europe & Asia are better than America. - Polidicks

"Let's focus on learning how to fill in dots than actually learning material! BTW instead of lecturing about content in the book, you're responsible for doing all that on you're own. I'll give you tedious and superfluous classwork assignments that help increase your knowledge by jack shit! Any questions? Oh by the way, here's a vocab sheet with 90+ vocab terms. Learn them on your own and be prepared for the test; we're never going to actually apply them in class, just be able to know them for the day of your test then forget it all in a week." Also, APs and SATs and ACTs can suck my dick. Gimmicky bullshit needs to go.

What I always hated the most was how teachers were forced to teach for the regents. Instead of learning about the entire subject we had to learn about only what was on one test. My physics teacher hated it, my class hated it.

The south brings down our average.

I've got this one spanish teacher that just goes off on anecdotal tangents about random shit for like half of any given class period. It's ridiculous. One moment he'll be talking about verbs and shit but then for some reason that'll remind him of something a neighbor or some other asshole said to him and he'll narrate a story about it for like ten minutes of the class period. This will happen over and over again. What really pisses me off though is the fact that he occasionally implies that the reason we're not nearly ready for our mid term (which is in the next week or two) is because WE'RE the ones who are being disruptive and wasting time. Ignoring the fact that students actively try to get him off his tangents. Hell most people who talk do so when he's not actually teaching because they don't want to listen to another incredibly bland anecdote. It's very rarely that I want someone fired, because that sucks, but... Yeah.

[QUOTE=Falchion;38790660]but science, mathematics and reading are a bit different from climbing a tree.[/QUOTE] they only test one way of doing science and math and reading. I doubt proof-based math is tested.

[QUOTE=froztshock;38793144]I've got this one spanish teacher that just goes off on anecdotal tangents about random shit for like half of any given class period. It's ridiculous. One moment he'll be talking about verbs and shit but then for some reason that'll remind him of something a neighbor or some other asshole said to him and he'll narrate a story about it for like ten minutes of the class period. This will happen over and over again. What really pisses me off though is the fact that he occasionally implies that the reason we're not nearly ready for our mid term (which is in the next week or two) is because WE'RE the ones who are being disruptive and wasting time. Ignoring the fact that students actively try to get him off his tangents. Hell most people who talk do so when he's not actually teaching because they don't want to listen to another incredibly bland anecdote. It's very rarely that I want someone fired, because that sucks, but... Yeah.[/QUOTE] You too? You aren't from Westchester county are you?

[QUOTE=OrionChronicles;38793243]You too? You aren't from Westchester county are you?[/QUOTE] Nah, Florida.

[QUOTE=redBadger;38792943]here's a vocab sheet with 90+ vocab terms. Learn them on your own and be prepared for the test; we're never going to actually apply them in class, just be able to know them for the day of your test then forget it all in a week.[/QUOTE] Every fucking time. Mainstream highschool sucks continuation schools are the best. No homework, smaller classes ( holy fuck i'm actually learning) instead of 35 students in one class.

[QUOTE=counterpo0;38793828]Every fucking time. Mainstream highschool sucks continuation schools are the best. No homework, smaller classes ( holy fuck i'm actually learning) instead of 35 students in one class.[/QUOTE] One of my teachers once had us memorize a fucking poem in a week despite all our other classes last year. This would happen at least twice a quarter, and we never applied it to anything.

[QUOTE=counterpo0;38793828]Every fucking time. Mainstream highschool sucks continuation schools are the best. No homework, smaller classes ( holy fuck i'm actually learning) instead of 35 students in one class.[/QUOTE] In my opinion, homework needs to be completely optional and actually useful, if I didn't understand it in class making me do it on my own with no help won't help at all. Also, my 9th grade Bio Honors class had only 8 people in it, it was so much easier to actually get things done and I got a perfect 100 because so.

I live in California and at my school, all our physics teachers suck dick, including the AP Physics teachers(which are pretty much all general physics teachers anyways) My teacher just gives us formulas/equations and doesn't explain anything about it, then gives us a test literally the next day. You get like 1 point for each problem you get right, and 9 points for showing your work. I have an A- in that class and I understand 100% of jack shit that's going on.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;38791271]"bad teachers" are hardly the reason our school system isn't good enough, please don't play into conservative bullshit tia[/QUOTE] Actually its a major reason. I've actually had to study this, I can drag out Postman if I must. They're also the fact decent teachers are paid the same as teachers who aren't decent so there is no incentive to become better. Our system is still set up for Industrialized teaching. We have metaphysical and engineering issues when it comes to teaching in the United States.

So why does everyone around here seem opposed to privatizing the school systems? I mean, when a thread comes up saying some county is just going to give the money to the kids to spend on a private school, everyone loses their minds.

Because that spending should be given to the public schools along side restrictions against unions. The school should be able to function as a school and the union should be able to function as a union. IF there is a conflict of interest, compromise should be taken. That's not what is happening in the United States system, and we also rely on methods and ideas there are generally outdated. [editline]12th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=BrickInHead;38792777] the problem isn't that we're trying to "help kids who shouldn't be helped," our problem isn't "bad teachers" our problem is that people [I]think[/I] those are the problems and thus actually think it's acceptable to fucking cut education funding. it's ridiculously stupid and you should feel bad as a human being.[/QUOTE] Throwing money at a problem doesn't automatically fix it, there are fundamental issues with the way the system is set up and the way that schools and unions are constantly butting heads against one another. Increase funding for schools is important but it will be wasted if we don't change the relationship between the parents, schools, unions, teachers and the students. We're in an age and time where the Ideas Guy is actually becoming the force behind new successful businesses. Meanwhile the way we track kids is through two road option, there is no option of vocational school(Or very few) and everyone focuses on college prep without actually pausing and wondering if everyone should be going to college.

[QUOTE=Morcam;38802990]So why does everyone around here seem opposed to privatizing the school systems? I mean, when a thread comes up saying some county is just going to give the money to the kids to spend on a private school, everyone loses their minds.[/QUOTE] If we privatize the school system the best schools will come from rich communities, and those can afford the best teachers. I'd actually rather take a path of restricting private schooling so that both rich and poor have incentives to improve the school system instead of sending their child to a much better school purely because of wealth and not achievement.

Australia has a good schooling system IMO I mean hey we have flaws but tbh I feel like the environment is just good and the teaching is OK

[QUOTE=Saxon;38788821]According to a Chinese exchange teacher I had for my Chinese Culture class, they just throw out students or put them in the factories if they under perform and don't have strong connections. [/QUOTE] is there anything more cruel and inhumane than doing that to kids?

[QUOTE=Dah-thla;38788961]Well I don't mean to turn this into a religious debate, but the teacher I had for biology in high school refuses to teach evolution. He doesn't accept it so it doesn't teach it. Some teachers are actually sport coaches and do not deserve to be teaching classes, but they are because my school was cheap.[/QUOTE] my econ/history teacher senior year in high school was also the football coach and had a masters in microeconomics.

[QUOTE=Morcam;38802990]So why does everyone around here seem opposed to privatizing the school systems? [/QUOTE] because private schools are never equal and poorer kids will never get the same education. we spent most of the modern era trying to make education possible for everyone, i have zero clue as to why some people on FP want to undue that progression.

[QUOTE=thisispain;38825548]is there anything more cruel and inhumane than doing that to kids?[/QUOTE] The way it's described is somewhat unusual, but when you think about it, it's no more different than anywhere else in the world. Get thrown out of school Have to find work The difference is in what you have to do in order to get thrown out of school. In the US you have a pretty decent breathing space and it's relatively hard to fail. In China, it's much tougher and as a result much easier to fail. And what else can someone with barely no education (not even high school) do but simple manual labour?

[QUOTE=wraithcat;38825569]The way it's described is somewhat unusual, but when you think about it, it's no more different than anywhere else in the world. Get thrown out of school Have to find work The difference is in what you have to do in order to get thrown out of school. In the US you have a pretty decent breathing space and it's relatively hard to fail. In China, it's much tougher and as a result much easier to fail. And what else can someone with barely no education (not even high school) do but simple manual labour?[/QUOTE] if an institution fails to educate a child without a developmental disorder it's the institution's fault, not the child's.

More things can affect ones ability to learn guys. For example my friend wrote a paper about how some studies have shown that the reason math scores are higher in asia is related to how their langauges handle numbers. Like take 234, in english this is two hundred thirty four. In japanese it is nihyakusanjuuyon, which literally means two-hundred three-ten four. Because of how they learn their numbers like this it is believed it helps their ability to do arithmetic. English is the same way after the 100 place but with things like ____teen and ____ty i can understand why japanese would make numbers easier to identify how they manipulate others. I was a top math kid in middle and highschool and I don't think the whole concept of 34 being 3 10s and 4 1s occured to me, it probably would have helped.

Feels good living in a continent of wiser people