People Keep Crashing into Google's Self-driving Cars: Robots, However, Follow the Rules of the Road - Polidicks

[QUOTE=RopaDope;47714396]The day someone gets killed by an automated car is the day the automated car company files for bankruptcy.[/QUOTE] Uh in what kind of dystopian world are you living in.

If the future really is self driving cars, I think their should still be an option to get a driver's license, but make it tougher to get. I feel like not being able to drive goes against the freedom of the American spirit. Like there are plenty of a legit drivers that obey traffic laws and don't screw up.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;47712859]Ask any cyclist who uses roads and they will happily go on for hours about how fucking terrible most drivers are at avoiding them reasonably. [b]Humans are just terrible at driving; we make dumb assumptions, rash decisions and are never as in control as we like to think[/b] (hence why we have so many assists today). A whilst it is early days, the Google Car software can already drive on par with a human in a large number of situations. With a bit more work it should handle all of the common ones with ease. You're in a multi-ton vehicle, you need to be more careful and courteous to those who are not surrounded by various safety measures and a few tons of steel. Zipping past a cyclist who has shown intent to change lane, then opted not to instantly is fucking stupid and puts lives at risk.[/QUOTE] No. Unfortunately a lot of people are bad drivers but it's just bullshit to say [i]everyone[/i] is. You know that's not the case, and you must know that not everyone, not even close to everyone really, just flat out doesn't care or is unaware of cyclists or at least how to safely navigate near and around a cyclist. It's not like they're making everyone who ever drives ever out to be shitty drivers or anything in this article. (They are.) Just check [url=http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1103.pdf]this[/url] out. Cyclists are tied with buses, only second to the least most deadly cause of motor vehicle accidents, with number one being other/unknown. I'm just saying I know people can drive like shit, but saying people in general can't drive is just bullshit. Sorry. That information was just within 30 days of every incident by the way. [url=http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm]Suicide[/url] is more deadly than driving a car.

[QUOTE=RopaDope;47714396]The day someone gets killed by an automated car is the day the automated car company files for bankruptcy.[/QUOTE] Replace that with taxis and you will realize how stupid that statement is. If the car has the data files for the incident, it will probably be able to prove who and what is at fault for the crash. If the person stepped out or ran out in the street too quickly for the mechanics of the car to react while the car was following all rules of the road at the time, it is very likely the company won't have too much of an issue defending themselves over it.

[QUOTE=RopaDope;47714396]The day someone gets killed by an automated car is the day the automated car company files for bankruptcy.[/QUOTE] Just like how trains stopped existing after Stephenson's cutting-edge Rocket killed a member of parliament on it's opening day. [editline]13th May 2015[/editline] OH WAIT

[QUOTE=RopaDope;47714396]The day someone gets killed by an automated car is the day the automated car company files for bankruptcy.[/QUOTE] Compared to the average deaths on roads caused by people, ehm no. Also, Google, bankrupt, haha, [URL=http://myreactiongifs.com/gifs/nicolascageconfusedemotions.gif]good one[/URL].

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47712747]They will be busy waiting for a cyclist who can't make up his mind while I drive my sports car away from him.[/QUOTE] Neider? Is that you?

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47713191]So where in any of this does it say that I'm ok with, or "condone" trollling traffic and speeding away from those situations? Honestly, this is stereotypical facepunch right here. Saying something automatically means you condone it 100%. Please, tell me more about who I am.[/QUOTE] Why do you say "they better be able to catch me" then? You're basically saying you'd speed off from an accident that you'd caused. Or have you suddenly changed your mind? [editline]13th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Tmaxx;47713775]I wouldn't have a single problem with these cars if they weren't the absolute dullest, minimalist things imaginable. They've done am excellent job of not only sucking the fun out of driving, but sucking the soul out of you and your car.[/QUOTE] Because there will only be one manufacturer and they'll all look exactly the same!!

Again, this soundtrack fits perfectly for those idiots on the road down there, swaying like a drunk fuck and texting like their lives depend on it. [video=youtube;W3B0CpF8wAo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3B0CpF8wAo[/video] I mean seriously, I've RARELY seen people texting while driving here, probably because the police cracks down so hard on it as they fine you for 230 euros when they catch you doing it.

[QUOTE=Killuah;47714719]Neider? Is that you?[/QUOTE] Thats the worst insult anyone has ever used on me. Touché. [QUOTE=paul simon;47714814]Why do you say "they better be able to catch me" then? You're basically saying you'd speed off from an accident that you'd caused. Or have you suddenly changed your mind?[/QUOTE] Who said anything about an accident? Someone said that there would still be a person in the car to "kick my ass". Well, if someone wants to try to kick my ass over road rage, they better catch me first. I swear people are trying to read things I never said to try and demonize me or something.

[QUOTE=Coolboy;47714086]I doubt any self-respecting car manufacturer would force the customer to not drive his own car.[/QUOTE] It won't be manufactures, it will be the government that, 20, 30, whatever years into the future will make it mandatory that on all public roads the vehicle, not the person "behind the wheel", must be in control. Why? Because it will save lives, a lot of lives. Though it won't just happen either, adoption of self-driving cars will increase and increase, and their track records compared to human drivers will make it clear that preventing unnecessary deaths due to human driver errors is worthwhile enough to completely ban human drivers. Or, there will be a few big accidents and a lot of people will become irrationally terrified of self-driving cars in the same way they are for nuclear power, and the status quo will continue at the cost of however many lives because who needs scientifically proven facts when you have belief!

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47713775]I wouldn't have a single problem with these cars if they weren't the absolute dullest, minimalist things imaginable. They've done am excellent job of not only sucking the fun out of driving, but sucking the soul out of you and your car.[/QUOTE] Because making it work perfectly shouldn't take importance over making it look pretty.

If the car drives itself, is it going to pay for its own gas? Or is it going to make you pay, and then stop over at the most expensive gas station because it tastes better?

[QUOTE=DaMastez;47715372]It won't be manufactures, it will be the government that, 20, 30, whatever years into the future will make it mandatory that on all public roads the vehicle, not the person "behind the wheel", must be in control. Why? Because it will save lives, a lot of lives. Though it won't just happen either, adoption of self-driving cars will increase and increase, and their track records compared to human drivers will make it clear that preventing unnecessary deaths due to human driver errors is worthwhile enough to completely ban human drivers. Or, there will be a few big accidents and a lot of people will become irrationally terrified of self-driving cars in the same way they are for nuclear power, and the status quo will continue at the cost of however many lives because who needs scientifically proven facts when you have belief![/QUOTE] That will most likely be one of them political debate balls either party throws at each other, also considering how big the automobile market is around the world, not only in the US, I doubt human driving will go away anytime soon. The 'I, Robot' approach seems more likely.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47713302]why?[/QUOTE] Because I like driving? Wow, imagine that. It's a great feeling of control to be in a car, and go "Man, I also need some groceries/gas/whatever" and change your route accordingly without having to fuck with a GPS/computer. I also find long drives, as long as the traffic is light, relaxing. They're a great escape from everything else, as long as you pay attention to the road. It's also the only time I get to turn up some music and express by ear-bleeding singing skills. However, being in the car and having someone else drive is insanely boring. Conversations are distracting to most drivers, so I usually just sleep or kill time on my phone - it's not as engaging or fun. I am entirely for self-driving cars, however. Just not some state-issued mandate telling me I can't drive my car because I'm a dumb, slovenly beast who is going to kill someone. There [B][I]are [/I][/B] some people who have absolutely no right to be on the road (and boy, do you see them), who would really benefit from self-driving cars. Especially the elderly, some of which cling to their license when they clearly express a danger to everyone else on the road. I think if driving tests become harder and more centralized (my actual in-car test in Mississippi was four left hand turns and pulling back into the parking lot), and especially if the self-driving cars had manufacturer liability for accidents rather than occupant - there'd slowly be a big shift forward until driving your own car becomes an expensive hobby, and nothing else.

I'd like to see one of these make it though Boston You thought one-way roads are bad? how about no-way roads

[QUOTE=Doom14;47715979]Because I like driving? Wow, imagine that. It's a great feeling of control to be in a car, and go "Man, I also need some groceries/gas/whatever" and change your route accordingly without having to fuck with a GPS/computer. I also find long drives, as long as the traffic is light, relaxing. They're a great escape from everything else, as long as you pay attention to the road. It's also the only time I get to turn up some music and express by ear-bleeding singing skills. However, being in the car and having someone else drive is insanely boring. Conversations are distracting to most drivers, so I usually just sleep or kill time on my phone - it's not as engaging or fun. I am entirely for self-driving cars, however. Just not some state-issued mandate telling me I can't drive my car because I'm a dumb, slovenly beast who is going to kill someone. There [B][I]are [/I][/B] some people who have absolutely no right to be on the road (and boy, do you see them), who would really benefit from self-driving cars. Especially the elderly, some of which cling to their license when they clearly express a danger to everyone else on the road. I think if driving tests become harder and more centralized (my actual in-car test in Mississippi was four left hand turns and pulling back into the parking lot), and especially if the self-driving cars had manufacturer liability for accidents rather than occupant - there'd slowly be a big shift forward until driving your own car becomes an expensive hobby, and nothing else.[/QUOTE] I agree with what you're saying that driving is fun, and a lot of people in this thread seem to be having a really extreme reaction to any kind of criticism of self-driving cars, even stuff as benign as 'I enjoy driving'. At the same time, it's not just a matter of driver safety. Having everyone on the road in a self-driving car doesn't just mean fewer accidents, it means more efficient driving and everyone getting to where they need to go faster. I spent twenty minutes sitting in traffic on my way to work this morning because people can't figure out how to merge, and the slowdown caused traffic to back up for miles. Once the technology is there, I'd support mandating self-driving cars, because this country has a traffic issue that extends beyond safety and it's only going to get worse as population increases faster than we can build roads and public transit. Maybe compromise by allowing people to drive, but not on highways, but mandatory automatic driving in traffic congestion areas is overwhelmingly in the public interest.

[QUOTE=Doom14;47715979]Because I like driving? Wow, imagine that. It's a great feeling of control to be in a car, and go "Man, I also need some groceries/gas/whatever" and change your route accordingly without having to fuck with a GPS/computer. I also find long drives, as long as the traffic is light, relaxing. They're a great escape from everything else, as long as you pay attention to the road. It's also the only time I get to turn up some music and express by ear-bleeding singing skills. However, being in the car and having someone else drive is insanely boring. Conversations are distracting to most drivers, so I usually just sleep or kill time on my phone - it's not as engaging or fun. I am entirely for self-driving cars, however. Just not some state-issued mandate telling me I can't drive my car because I'm a dumb, slovenly beast who is going to kill someone. There [B][I]are [/I][/B] some people who have absolutely no right to be on the road (and boy, do you see them), who would really benefit from self-driving cars. Especially the elderly, some of which cling to their license when they clearly express a danger to everyone else on the road. I think if driving tests become harder and more centralized (my actual in-car test in Mississippi was four left hand turns and pulling back into the parking lot), and especially if the self-driving cars had manufacturer liability for accidents rather than occupant - there'd slowly be a big shift forward until driving your own car becomes an expensive hobby, and nothing else.[/QUOTE] Again, it kind of needs to be an all-or-nothing deal if self-driving cars are to coordinate with each other to speed things up and really be safe. A person is never going to have the reaction time to work on an otherwise completely automated roadway. The whole point of this article is that main safety issue with automated cars is OTHER DRIVERS. I enjoy driving too, and Ive been driving for nearly a decade without an accident, but when 30,000+ people are killed in the US by car accidents, I'd be willing to restrict my manual driving to track days and maybe back roads if it meant drastically reducing road deaths.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47712678]Self driving cars are going to be REALLY easy to troll aren't they......[/QUOTE] I already imagine spotting one while cycling down the road, stopping on the pavement and raising my hand so it will stop indefinitely :v:.

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;47716090]Again, it kind of needs to be an all-or-nothing deal if self-driving cars are to coordinate with each other to speed things up and really be safe. A person is never going to have the reaction time to work on an otherwise completely automated roadway. The whole point of this article is that main safety issue with automated cars is OTHER DRIVERS. I enjoy driving too, and Ive been driving for nearly a decade without an accident, but when 30,000+ people are killed in the US by car accidents, I'd be willing to restrict my manual driving to track days and maybe back roads if it meant drastically reducing road deaths.[/QUOTE] A computer wouldn't be able to make any judgement out of it's pre-defined rules. If I need to go off the road to avoid something, the car sure as fuck won't be able to do that. By your logic, we should've have worked on automated guns that only fire when a CPU say so, since way more people die with firearms accidents.

[QUOTE=Saber15;47712854]Walk around a parking lot while looking at cars and you'll probably be pretty amazed at how many cars are driving on heavily worn tires, and that's one of the most obvious signs of wear on a car, without getting into stuff like worn brake pads or suspension geometry that people only notice when they fail catastrophically.[/QUOTE] In the UK there's a mandatory test that checks for stuff like this that your car must pass in order to be legally driven, isn't there something equivalent in the US?

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;47713686]Can't wait for the future where humanity has grown into fat blobs unable to even drive a car themselves.[/QUOTE] Cars are one of the least safe forms of travel. Do you want us to take out ABS and power steering as well so we can get lots of limb exercise? The less control a human has over a car, the better. We're far more dangerous than any machine could be, and maybe if we can drive efficiently then we might get itchy feet and want to do some genuine exercise once we get out of the vehicle.

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47713775]I wouldn't have a single problem with these cars if they weren't the absolute dullest, minimalist things imaginable. They've done am excellent job of not only sucking the fun out of driving, but sucking the soul out of you and your car.[/QUOTE] Because soul and fun are the first things to consider with new world technology, people probably said the same thing about coal plants.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;47716181]A computer wouldn't be able to make any judgement out of it's pre-defined rules. If I need to go off the road to avoid something, the car sure as fuck won't be able to do that.[/QUOTE] Which is why nobody is advocating for cars that physically cannot be manually driven, just cars that drive automatically on highways and normal roads and take the flawed, unreliable, and often downright irresponsible human factor out of the equation. What's your point?

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;47716181]A computer wouldn't be able to make any judgement out of it's pre-defined rules. If I need to go off the road to avoid something, the car sure as fuck won't be able to do that. By your logic, we should've have worked on automated guns that only fire when a CPU say so, since way more people die with firearms accidents.[/QUOTE] you've seen though in that video how it detects imminent dangers and moving when it's safe to go. it obviously has those pre-determined road hazards put into it. also you still have to be at the wheel regardless.

I'd LOVE a self driving car all in all. And for all the obvious reasons, but being able to instantly turn off the automation is important

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;47713563]I could totally see main thoroughfares and highways being places where you wouldn't be allowed to drive manually, tbh. I mean assuming other cars were all working in sync to keep things moving at an optimal pace having 1 guy in a thousand driving manually might actually be able to screw things up.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Timebomb575;47716090] I enjoy driving too, and Ive been driving for nearly a decade without an accident, but when 30,000+ people are killed in the US by car accidents, I'd be willing to restrict my manual driving to track days and maybe back roads if it meant drastically reducing road deaths.[/QUOTE] Yeah well good for you, I bloody well wouldn't. I'd rather go through some tough driving tests and psychotechnical tests and be able to drive 100% everywhere I go. [editline]13th May 2015[/editline] And this thread is exactly why I don't want to live in a future envisioned by the majority of Facepunch. Good riddance.

These things are so packed with sensors I don't see why we'd need to ban manual drivers anytime soon. Everybody keeps talking about how they'd mess everything up for the automated cars, but nobody seems to realize that automated cars can react to you pretty damn fast if not predict what you're going to do before you do it. Also, even if you manage to have an accident on a major highway everybody else won't be affected too much since traffic flow problems can mostly be attributed to human error (i.e. tailgating, brake slamming, rubbernecking, etc). Either way I'm perfectly happy to not drive on freeways and interstates. Can catch up on my reading or something instead.

[QUOTE=FetusFondler;47716543]Yeah well good for you, I bloody well wouldn't. I'd rather go through some tough driving tests and psychotechnical tests and be able to drive 100% everywhere I go. [editline]13th May 2015[/editline] And this thread is exactly why I don't want to live in a future envisioned by the majority of Facepunch. Good riddance.[/QUOTE]Too bad, because sooner or later all passenger cars will be automated.

[QUOTE=sambooo;47713644]I still stand by the opinion that you should be banned from posting in threads that deal with the advancement of cars. You basically hate anything that's not a V8 from 1977. Go away.[/QUOTE] Oh yes ban people with different opinions from yours, that sounds like an amazing use for a forum Where have I heard this before?