People Keep Crashing into Google's Self-driving Cars: Robots, However, Follow the Rules of the Road - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47719168]Says who? You? Why should I, a person who has never had a crash in 10 years, not be allowed to drive? Fuck you and fuck that mindset.[/QUOTE] imagine a line of self-driving cars on an expressway, all going fast as fuck, and all closely spaced from each other because they are communicating constantly how are you, with human reaction times and coordination, going to be able to merge into/drive with that traffic without throwing a wrench in the works?

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;47719235]imagine a line of self-driving cars on an expressway, all going fast as fuck, and all closely spaced from each other because they are communicating constantly how are you, with human reaction times and coordination, going to be able to merge into/drive with that traffic without throwing a wrench in the works?[/QUOTE] It's simple: I wont. I'll go a different way.

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47719222]Planes pretty much fly themselves and they crash too, even with a human behind the stick to correct it.[/QUOTE] Not to mention how much simpler the environment is up there in the air. And I say this as a pilot.

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47719222]I ride a motorcycle. I ride THE most unsafe thing on the road. If I fuck up, it's my LIFE. Even a small crash can kill me, or ruin me for life. I keep that in mind every time I ride. But I keep doing it because I like it. Nothing will take that from me. There is nothing I can do to prevent it except keep my eyes open and watch EVERYTHING best I can. Do you think self driving cars will be glitch free, that THEY can see everything? if you say yes, you're wrong. They can't predict everything, they can't see everything no matter how hard you try. Something will always happen, something will always fault, and there will always be crashes. Even with self driving cars, I don't think deaths from driving will go down much. Planes pretty much fly themselves and they crash too, even with a human behind the stick to correct it.[/QUOTE] Then ride your motorcycle, but when the streets are filled with self-driving cars, take it to a track or some place that will allow you to ride without endangering others. It doesn't matter how good you are at driving, you can always make a mistake (same as anyone around you) Yes there could be glitches, but the great thing about these cars is that they learn from each other. In 1.7 million miles of driving they've yet to cause a wreck, too. Is there a chance one or two of them fucks up? Sure. Is there going to be so many fuck-ups that we'd lose 33,000 people a year to fatal accidents? Hell no. Usually when a plane crashes it's a pilot error, for the record.

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;47719235]imagine a line of self-driving cars on an expressway, all going fast as fuck, and all closely spaced from each other because they are communicating constantly how are you, with human reaction times and coordination, going to be able to merge into/drive with that traffic without throwing a wrench in the works?[/QUOTE] ...Current self-driving cars can read turn signals, why would that be different in that situation? Why would they get a downgrade?

[QUOTE=FetusFondler;47719223][I]You[/I] happily would. Then why not change "the rule"? Why not make a driving license about as hard to get as a pilot's license minus the obvious costs to boost the average quality of drivers on ridiculous [I]while[/I] self-driving cars rise in popularity? There isn't one single solution to a problem. This is why I say that now, in 2015, where there are no consumer self-driving cars, it is way too fucking early to be making calls this huge. Calls to end an era because of [I]speculation.[/I] Let's wait until we start getting data, self-driving cars become of common usage and the only people driving are the ones who want to drive, and [B]then[/B] let's look at that data and see if the crash rates are at a level that makes it worth it to ban the 1% of people who want to drive.[/QUOTE] Because there is still an opportunity to make a mistake. It doesn't mean you're a bad driver. You can be the best damn driver there ever was. But you know what? You can still make a mistake. You're a human, you're not invincible to errors. A machine that can see in every direction and accurately judge nearly everything around it? It's better than you.

[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;47719248]Then ride your motorcycle, but when the streets are filled with self-driving cars, take it to a track or some place that will allow you to ride without endangering others. It doesn't matter how good you are at driving, you can always make a mistake (same as anyone around you) Yes there could be glitches, but the great thing about these cars is that they learn from each other. In 1.7 million miles of driving they've yet to cause a wreck, too. Is there a chance one or two of them fucks up? Sure. Is there going to be so many fuck-ups that we'd lose 33,000 people a year to fatal accidents? Hell no. Usually when a plane crashes it's a pilot error, for the record.[/QUOTE] Okay let's put it this way then. 33000 people a year. there are 350m people in the us. 0.008% of the population of the US dies a year to car crashes. And you want to ban cars over that. Thousands of people die to mining, construction, stress, what have you, but you're up in arms over [I]driving,[/I] something billions of people do. Fucking racetrack, really? My bike isn't made for the track, it's made for cruising on the road which is in your line of thought, "endangering people". Again, back to my first response to you: Fuck you, and fuck your knee-jerk whiney ass mindset.

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47719279]Okay let's put it this way then. 33000 people a year. there are 350m people in the us. 0.008% of the population of the US dies a year to car crashes. And you want to ban cars over that. Thousands of people die to mining, construction, stress, what have you, but you're up in arms over [I]driving,[/I] something billions of people do. Fucking racetrack, really? My bike isn't made for the track, it's made for cruising on the road which is in your line of thought, "endangering people". Again, back to my first response to you: Fuck you, and fuck your knee-jerk whiney ass mindset.[/QUOTE] In 2009 there were roughly 10 million accidents. It's still endangering people, and injuries from accidents can still cause major issues in life. Death isn't the only factor in this. Why are you personally attacking me at the end of every post? You're the one being a bit knee-jerking bud.

[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;47719308]In 2009 there were roughly 10 million accidents. It's still endangering people, and injuries from accidents can still cause major issues in life. Death isn't the only factor in this. Why are you personally attacking me at the end of every post? You're the one being a bit knee-jerking bud.[/QUOTE] Because you're attacking ME and the things like i'm the sole reason people fucking die every year. Banning something because some people are stupid, is stupid. Driving in and of itself isn't endangering anyone. It's the stupid people who are. Instead of banning shit, make getting a license harder. Banning shit is a kneejerk. The requirements for a license are so easy literally anyone can get one and THAT'S where our problem lies. Not the cars, not the environment. If getting a license was an actual test instead of naming signs and going around the block, so many people wouldn't be hurt.

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47719168]Says who? You? Why should I, a person who has never had a crash in 10 years, not be allowed to drive? Fuck you and fuck that mindset.[/QUOTE] Even if you were the best driver in the world (which you most certainly aren't), had almost superhuman reflexes (which you definitely don't) and were focused 100% of the time (you're not), if some sort of hazard suddenly appeared on the road (such as a bad driver, who doesn't even come close to your unparalleled driving skills, oh-Tmaxx-the great) faster than you could react you'd be either dead, injured or left with a few dents in your car while the other, self-driving car owners would enjoy their rides safely knowing they'll most likely never get in an accident in their lifetime, and will literally never cause one, you know why? Because guess what, computers can drive better than you ever will

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47719332]Because you're attacking ME and the things like i'm the sole reason people fucking die every year. Banning something because some people are stupid, is stupid. Driving in and of itself isn't endangering anyone. It's the stupid people who are. Instead of banning shit, make getting a license harder. Banning shit is a kneejerk. The requirements for a license are so easy literally anyone can get one and THAT'S where our problem lies. Not the cars, not the environment. If getting a license was an actual test instead of naming signs and going around the block, so many people wouldn't be hurt.[/QUOTE] No, I'm not. I'm saying that when self-driving cars are easily available, it should be outlawed to use other vehicles that aren't self-driven. I never said fuck you or tried to insult you. 10 million crashes isn't because some people are stupid, it's because the human brain is literally incapable of driving perfectly. There will always be mistakes and fuck-ups for everyone. Driving is endangering people because no matter how good you think you are, there is always a risk. Making it harder to get a license will lessen accidents only by a mediocre margin. There will always be flaws when people are behind the wheel.

[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;47719352]No, I'm not. I'm saying that when self-driving cars are easily available, it should be outlawed to use other vehicles that aren't self-driven. I never said fuck you or tried to insult you. 10 million crashes isn't because some people are stupid, it's because the human brain is literally incapable of driving perfectly. There will always be mistakes and fuck-ups for everyone. Driving is endangering people because no matter how good you think you are, there is always a risk. Making it harder to get a license will lessen accidents only by a mediocre margin. There will always be flaws when people are behind the wheel.[/QUOTE] You're too entrenched in your own sheltered mind and think that banning things that have been part of everyone's culture for over 100 years is okay. I'm done with this argument. Go ride the fucking bus.

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47719363]You're too entrenched in your own sheltered mind and think that banning things that have been part of everyone's culture for over 100 years is okay. I'm done with this argument. Go ride the fucking bus.[/QUOTE] Haha. Everyone's culture takes a backseat to safety when there are 10 million crashes a year, bud.

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47719168]Says who? You? Why should I, a person who has never had a crash in 10 years, not be allowed to drive? Fuck you and fuck that mindset.[/QUOTE] Same reason workers in dangerous jobs who never had an accident get replaced by robots. Safety for everyone.

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47719060][IMG]http://blogs-images.forbes.com/sethporges/files/2014/05/googlecar-e1401261602733.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] I've mentioned this before. How do all those sensors impact aerodynamics? I know crap like those pods on top of mini vans can often eat 5-8 miles per gallon (seriously, it's ridiculous). All other costs aside, until the sensors can be completely internalized, I'm not sure I'd even want a car that has self driving capability purely for fuel economy. Especially on the highway. That's not an irrelevant amount of drag. Speaking of internalizing the sensors. That's not exactly trivial either. You sort of need a birds eye view for a lot of the stuff to work. Doubtless you can work around that to a degree, but you need better sensors, and more of them in more locations if you bring stuff lower to the ground.

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47719363]You're too entrenched in your own sheltered mind and think that banning things that have been part of everyone's culture for over 100 years is okay. I'm done with this argument. Go ride the fucking bus.[/QUOTE] The guy who just can't live with the idea that self driven cars are better behind the wheel than he is is calling other people sheltered? Hah

the thing is that you're no less free to go where you want in an automated car, than in a normal one

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47719363]You're too entrenched in your own sheltered mind and think that banning things that have been part of everyone's culture for over 100 years is okay. I'm done with this argument. Go ride the fucking bus.[/QUOTE] nobody is suggesting banning manually operated cars, that would be stupid as shit just like any other dangerous activity (shooting, racing, flying planes, etc), you just wouldnt be able to use them [I]everywhere[/I]. You'd have to go to a particular area to use them. like seriously, you dont hear gun owners complaining that they have to take their guns to a range or shooting area to use them. I would love to be able to walk into my backyard and start popping shots off, but I accept that it would be unsafe to do that in my area, so I go to a range to enjoy my hobby, even though that's inconvenient.

Considering they're racking up so many accidents (which does seem higher than the normal population) it would seem that the cars are actually indirectly at fault. While they do follow the rules of the road, they might not be able to judge traffic and human interaction as well as to avoid minor scrapes a human might.

[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;47719202]All you have to do to send a two ton behemoth of metal into a crowd of pedestrians is jerk your arm hard to the right. Seem a little unsafe to you?[/QUOTE] Yeeeeeah. There's a couple of problems with your fantastical situation. 1. I don't think you actually drive. You're not supposed to drive while glued to the sidewalk. Unless you're like 3 inches away from it, there's enough space for a correction. 2. You're supposed to hold your steering wheel with both hands. 3. If your arms randomly twitch around I don't think you should be driving 4. If one of your arms does twitch I doubt it will twitch in a path [I]precisely[/I] corresponding to the steering wheel's rim Maybe a little bit of reality wouldn't hurt here.

[QUOTE=FetusFondler;47719254]...Current self-driving cars can read turn signals, why would that be different in that situation? Why would they get a downgrade?[/QUOTE] that's because they are limited by the fact that most cars are still driven by people if 99% of cars were self-driven, there wouldn't need to be any slowdowns for merging, congestion, etc. But the 1% of manually driven cars would inconvenience everybody because a human driver physically cannot compete with a computer in terms of reaction time, coordination, and efficiency.

lets just keep in mind that the majority of drivers will never allow for automated vehicles to replace them no matter how proficient and fool-proof they may be, or how many reassuring ads they pump out you're gonna have a hard fucking time convincing the average joe to entrust his life, his families life, and others in the hands of a computer to go down the highway at 140kph, like i hope you guys understand this because it seems like most of you aren't really wrapping your head around it this is on-par with waiting for hover cars to become common place. or landing on mars. this is how astronomically far away this self-driving car stuff is. your kids will probably be old or dying by the time this happens, if at all.

[QUOTE=Melnek;47719516]lets just keep in mind that the majority of drivers will never allow for automated vehicles to replace them no matter how proficient and fool-proof they may be, or how many reassuring ads they pump out you're gonna have a hard fucking time convincing the average joe to entrust his life, his families life, and others in the hands of a computer to go down the highway at 140kph, like i hope you guys understand this because it seems like most of you aren't really wrapping your head around it this is on-par with waiting for hover cars to become common place. or landing on mars. this is how astronomically far away this self-driving car stuff is. your kids will probably be old or dying by the time this happens, if at all.[/QUOTE] maybe not now, maybe not in 10 or 20 years, but never? i highly doubt that

[QUOTE=FetusFondler;47719506]Yeeeeeah. There's a couple of problems with your fantastical situation. 1. I don't think you actually drive. You're not supposed to drive while glued to the sidewalk. Unless you're like 3 inches away from it, there's enough space for a correction. 2. You're supposed to hold your steering wheel with both hands. 3. If your arms randomly twitch around I don't think you should be driving 4. If one of your arms does twitch I doubt it will twitch in a path [I]precisely[/I] corresponding to the steering wheel's rim Maybe a little bit of reality wouldn't hurt here.[/QUOTE] I actually don't drive anymore. I refuse to drive because of how dangerous it is, especially because I am a very inexperienced driver and could cause harm to others. Do you really think all people hold with two hands the entire time? I'm not saying your arm twitching will cause you to hit people. I'm saying if I jerk the car to the right, it's going to the right. The car has no mind as to what it's going into, whether it be turning into a driveway or turning into a crowd of people. That's a flaw.

[QUOTE=Melnek;47719516]lets just keep in mind that the majority of drivers will never allow for automated vehicles to replace them no matter how proficient and fool-proof they may be, or how many reassuring ads they pump out you're gonna have a hard fucking time convincing the average joe to entrust his life, his families life, and others in the hands of a computer to go down the highway at 140kph, like i hope you guys understand this because it seems like most of you aren't really wrapping your head around it this is on-par with waiting for hover cars to become common place. or landing on mars. this is how astronomically far away this self-driving car stuff is. your kids will probably be old or dying by the time this happens, if at all.[/QUOTE] are you basing that on anything or are you just pulling statistics out of your ass? genuinely curious (I wouldn't be surprised if there was a poll conducted on it or something)

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;47719529]maybe not now, maybe not in 10 or 20 years, but never? i highly doubt that[/QUOTE] long enough for this discussion to be irrelevant im talking decades, not "20 years".

I mean, hell look at this [QUOTE=Timebomb575;47719235]imagine a line of self-driving cars on an expressway, all going fast as fuck, and all closely spaced from each other because they are communicating constantly how are you, with human reaction times and coordination, going to be able to merge into/drive with that traffic without throwing a wrench in the works?[/QUOTE] We're in 2015, nobody has an autonomous car yet, only Google has a handful of them and the only things we know about them are what Google tells us But hey let's start imagining these sci-fi scenarios of transportation in an attempt to tell you why you shouldn't drive! It's like I'm reading a clickbait article. "[B]10 UNBELIVEABLE reasons as to why you WON'T BE ABLE to drive in 20 years![/B]"

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;47719536]are you basing that on anything or are you just pulling statistics out of your ass? genuinely curious (I wouldn't be surprised if there was a poll conducted on it or something)[/QUOTE] you gotta be more than optimistic to the point of naivety to ever think that this shit will be anywhere near feasible in the next 50 years.

[QUOTE=Melnek;47719556]you gotta be more than optimistic to the point of naivety to ever think that this shit will be anywhere near feasible in the next 50 years.[/QUOTE] you need a prehistoric mindset to think it won't

[QUOTE=FetusFondler;47719548]I mean, hell look at this We're in 2015, nobody has an autonomous car yet, only Google has a handful of them and the only things we know about them are what Google tells us But hey let's start imagining these sci-fi scenarios of transportation in an attempt to tell you why you shouldn't drive! [/QUOTE] why [I]wouldn't[/I] that be how it works?? is a high speed, coordinated system not the logical conclusion when it comes to self-driving cars?