Overzealous cleaner ruins £690,000 artwork that she thought was dirty - Polidicks

Art is all about brand

[QUOTE=Chrille;33123492]And that's the problem with modern art, you don't have to be good at your craft, put any random two pieces of shit together and attribute some meaning to it. Zero effort.[/QUOTE] it's obvious you don't even know what modern art is. modern art is seen anywhere from buildings to film to music. so you don't know what you are talking about

[QUOTE=thisispain;33123562]nope not even by a long shot. i bet Styx's albums took ages to make but they are still crappppp. so in your mind, art is about showing off, not expression. oh yeah only the elite higher classes should make art obviously. i mean look at this: [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/VenusWillendorf.jpg/600px-VenusWillendorf.jpg[/img] yeah sure the original meaning of art was mastery. i mean that's totally bullshit but whatever.[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about art in general, I'm talking about why people have a problem with this particular piece of art holy crap. People don't have a problem with it because of the artistic value, but because it took zero effort. Shit, understand what I'm trying to say. [QUOTE=Clementine;33123548]Art has never been about the effort in the creation, it has ALWAYS been about the meaning of the creation.[/QUOTE] [quote=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art]Traditionally, the term art was used to refer to any skill or mastery. This conception changed during the Romantic period, when art came to be seen as "a special faculty of the human mind to be classified with religion and science".[1] Generally, art is made with the intention of stimulating thoughts and emotions.[/quote] [QUOTE=thisispain;33123630]it's obvious you don't even know what modern art is. modern art is seen anywhere from buildings to film to music. so you don't know what you are talking about[/QUOTE] Yeah, it was a huge generalization, but you know what I mean, shit like the artwork in the article, not every piece of art created in the 21st century. It's beginning to look like you're just looking for holes in what I'm saying instead of arguing the point.

[QUOTE=Chrille;33122531]Yeah. Art requires effort from the artist in my opinion.[/QUOTE] what if the artist spent 5 days remaking that "tower". Does that mean he made art by your definition? I could spend eternity trying to make a tower, and yet it would look terrible. But still, IMO that looks like shit.

[QUOTE=Unsmart;33123737]what if the artist spent 5 days remaking that "tower". Does that mean he made art by your definition? I could spend eternity trying to make a tower, and yet it would look terrible. But still, IMO that looks like shit.[/QUOTE] Effort as in the effort it took to paint Mona Lisa, as opposed of the effort it took to steal and sign a urinal.

[QUOTE=Chrille;33123731]I'm not talking about art in general, I'm talking about why people have a problem with this piece of art holy crap. People don't have a problem with it because of the artistic value, but because it took zero effort. Shit, understand what I'm trying to say.[/QUOTE] you don't know how much effort it took. i understand what you are trying to say and it's bullcrap. [QUOTE=Chrille;33123731]Yeah, it was a huge generalization, you know what I mean, shit like the artwork in the article, not every piece of art created in the 21st century. Now you're just looking for holes in what I'm saying instead of arguing the point.[/QUOTE] just as you are fucking looking for holes in this artwork to discredit it like pretending you knew how much effort it took. i really don't give a shit. [B]i really don't give a single one[/B] about what you meant. you said modern art while not knowing shit about modern art and you're arguing a point of which you knew nothing about. go mind your own business instead of posting crap about how art should be and how effort means anything. it's drivel of the highest order. if you wanna talk about how this art doesn't make you feel anything or how you don't like the message it conveys then fine, but if you're just gonna talk shit just to inflame people you really shouldn't bother. you're wasting your time. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb5Jp_duKNM[/media] ME NO SEE GUITAR OR ORCHESTRA! ME WANT TO SMASH LADY! WHY SHE NO DO EFFORT!

[QUOTE=thisispain;33123826] ME NO SEE GUITAR OR ORCHESTRA! ME WANT TO SMASH LADY! WHY SHE NO DO EFFORT![/QUOTE] Actually you can see a lot of effort in the songwriting and lyrics and vocals. A better example would be like the Ramones or something. Two chords, stupid lyrics, but it's all about the attitude and those guys rock and if you think otherwise then you have no testicles.

[QUOTE=Clementine;33122933]This is horrendously awful, I know you guys can make fun of this art piece all you want, but this was someone's life, their only memory that would last forever was this thing, and some fucking cleaner destroys it, it sucks really hardcore. [editline]4th November 2011[/editline] It takes a slightly intelligent mind to be able to look past what thing literally is, and see what it means. You seem, and the 54 people that agreed with you, to lack that.[/QUOTE] Considering how little effort seems to have been put into it, I'm sure the artist could easily make it again if they really wanted too.

Well, the mythbusters already prooved that you can polish a turd :v:

[QUOTE=pie_is_good;33123914]Actually you can see a lot of effort in the songwriting and lyrics and vocals.[/QUOTE] yeah but only if you like the vocals. if you wanna be a prick you could say she sings like a bad cat and her lyrics don't mean anything therefor she sucks.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33123945]yeah but only if you like the vocals. if you wanna be a prick you could say she sings like a bad cat and her lyrics don't mean anything therefor she sucks.[/QUOTE] It still required some effort, however if she just sat there plucking a single string on the harp for 2 minutes I'd call her completely talentless.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33123917]Considering how little effort seems to have been put into it[/QUOTE] again, you don't know how much effort went into it

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33123917]Considering how little effort seems to have been put into it, I'm sure the artist could easily make it again if they really wanted too.[/QUOTE] he's dead

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33123964]It still required some effort, however if she just sat there plucking a single string on the harp for 2 minutes I'd call her completely talentless.[/QUOTE] i could deconstruct it to the point where it would appear to require 0 effort.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33124002]i could deconstruct it to the point where it would appear to require 0 effort.[/QUOTE] I can't imagine harp playing being all that easy, her vocals did sound a bit off though.

[video=youtube;iWKZbBsjD40]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWKZbBsjD40[/video]

[QUOTE=thisispain;33123990]again, you don't know how much effort went into it[/QUOTE] Admittedly the art in the article does look like it took more effort than some of the current modern artists, I have no idea what the art actually means, but I could imagine it looking like a nice ornament

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33124021]I can't imagine harp playing being all that easy, her vocals did sound a bit off though.[/QUOTE] her vocals aren't off, that's just the way she sings. [editline]4th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;33124070]Admittedly the art in the article does look like it took more effort than some of the current modern artists[/QUOTE] who are these current modern artists? because just so you know, modern art ended in about the 1970's

[QUOTE=thisispain;33123826]you don't know how much effort it took. i understand what you are trying to say and it's bullcrap.[/QUOTE] Clearly not because you went ahead and mentioned a completely different piece of art when I was saying why people didn't like this one. [QUOTE=thisispain;33123826] just as you are fucking looking for holes in this artwork to discredit it like pretending you knew how much effort it took. i really don't give a shit. [B]i really don't give a single one[/B] about what you meant. you said modern art while not knowing shit about modern art and you're arguing a point of which you knew nothing about. go mind your own business instead of posting crap about how art should be and how effort means anything. it's drivel of the highest order. if you wanna talk about how this art doesn't make you feel anything or how you don't like the message it conveys then fine, but if you're just gonna talk shit just to inflame people you really shouldn't bother. you're wasting your time. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb5Jp_duKNM[/media] ME NO SEE GUITAR OR ORCHESTRA! ME WANT TO SMASH LADY! WHY SHE NO DO EFFORT![/QUOTE] How, just how have I said things just because I wanted to inflame people? And looking for holes in the artwork? All I've said all along is that I think art requires effort. Yes, I don't know how much effort he put into it, as I have already said, but from the outlook of it, it doesn't seem like a lot. And shit dude, you're the fucking caveman here. You get all worked up because I say what I think about the subject, and start to make a shitload of negative assumptions because I used a definition incorrectly. Also, the girl in the video clearly put effort into it. If she had been randomly pulling strings to make noise, then no, it would have taken no effort and I wouldn't have considered it art.

[QUOTE=Garik;33123232][img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Hd3IrEqMp0M/TVSXtulfeUI/AAAAAAAAACM/w7G71qXnTeg/s1600/shit.jpg[/img] Art[/QUOTE] Holy shit... [sp] I AM EATING AHHH[/sp]

What is the deeper meaning to the pieces of wood supposed to be?

[QUOTE=thisispain;33124074]her vocals aren't off, that's just the way she sings. [editline]4th November 2011[/editline] who are these current modern artists? because just so you know, modern art ended in about the 1970's[/QUOTE] I don't know what it's actual name is, I've usually just heard it referred to as modern art, like a piece of art that is essentially a jug of water.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33124164]I don't know what it's actual name is, I've usually just heard it referred to as modern art, like a piece of art that is essentially a jug of water.[/QUOTE] Post-modern art.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;33124158]What is the deeper meaning to the pieces of wood supposed to be?[/QUOTE] A man going insane while putting up a fence.

What art stage are we in now then?

[QUOTE=Chrille;33124103] And shit dude, you're the fucking caveman here. You get all worked up because I say what I think about the subject, and start to make a shitload of negative assumptions because I used a definition incorrectly.[/QUOTE] lol the definition isn't the only thing that's incorrect [QUOTE=Chrille;33124103]Also, the girl in the video clearly put effort into it. If she had been randomly pulling strings to make noise, then no, it would have taken no effort and I wouldn't have considered it art.[/QUOTE] she just plays some simple patterns on a diatonic harp with simple chord progressions taken from the Music 101 book. her lyrics are simply quotes from the Bible and various books. so using your logic, that sounds like it didn't take enough effort and therefor not art. of course you could be reasonable by understanding that art is simply a medium to express something, but no you have to go on a tirade about modern artists except you don't mean modern artists you meant someone else. [editline]4th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;33124164]I don't know what it's actual name is, I've usually just heard it referred to as modern art, like a piece of art that is essentially a jug of water.[/QUOTE] i haven't heard of the piece of art named "a jug of water". [editline]4th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=squids_eye;33124158]What is the deeper meaning to the pieces of wood supposed to be?[/QUOTE] that's for you to decide.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33124185] she just plays some simple patterns on a diatonic harp with simple chord progressions taken from the Music 101 book. her lyrics are simply quotes from the Bible and various books. so using your logic, that sounds like it didn't take enough effort and therefor not art. of course you could be reasonable by understanding that art is simply a medium to express something, but no you have to go on a tirade about modern artists except you don't mean modern artists you meant someone else.[/QUOTE] When it comes to music I'm usually more interested as to whether it sounds good or not, I'm not bothered whether there was talent involved.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33124185] that's for you to decide.[/QUOTE] Ok then, let me rephrase that. What do those pieces of wood mean to you?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33124235]When it comes to music I'm usually more interested as to whether it sounds good or not[/QUOTE] well good is very subjective. obviously something you like is good, correct? then why not apply that reasonable standard to all art? [editline]4th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=squids_eye;33124260]Ok then, let me rephrase that. What do those pieces of wood mean to you?[/QUOTE] i'd have to see it first. it's not really a clear picture.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33124263]well good is very subjective. obviously something you like is good, correct? then why not apply that reasonable standard to all art?[/QUOTE] I'm not really attacking modern art in regards to the likes of Picasso who plays on colours to evoke emotions, I attacking the people who stuff bin bags full of paper and put them in art galleries, it seems the idea of art in respects to them is more a long the lines of "who can make money out of nothing"