Overzealous cleaner ruins £690,000 artwork that she thought was dirty - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Swilly;33124181]What art stage are we in now then?[/QUOTE] Since we're experiencing it NOW, it's "Contemporary Art". It gets a name [I]afterwards[/I].

[QUOTE=thisispain;33124185]lol the definition isn't the only thing that's incorrect[/quote] Then tell me what is. [QUOTE=thisispain;33124185] she just plays some simple patterns on a diatonic harp with simple chord progressions taken from the Music 101 book. her lyrics are simply quotes from the Bible and various books. so using your logic, that sounds like it didn't take enough effort and therefor not art. of course you could be reasonable by understanding that art is simply a medium to express something, but no you have to go on a tirade about modern artists except you don't mean modern artists you meant someone else.[/QUOTE] Maybe if I understood music or the instrument better I would have a different opinion. To me it looks like it required mastery of the instrument, the artwork in the article doesn't look like it required anything other than the ability to put wood and nails together. And yes, I got the definition wrong. Clearly you know that I meant something else (contemporary art when it includes the likes of the artwork in the article), so I don't see the problem if we both understand it.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33124263]well good is very subjective. obviously something you like is good, correct? then why not apply that reasonable standard to all art? [editline]4th November 2011[/editline] i'd have to see it first. it's not really a clear picture.[/QUOTE] What about that bed one then? You seemed familar with that.

This is sort of the same argument as how games shouldn't be art.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33124318]I attacking the people who stuff bin bags full of paper and put them in art galleries, it seems the idea of art in respects to them is more a long the lines of "who can make money out of nothing"[/QUOTE] right, so you are jealous of people making money out of "nothing" therefor it's fair to make a judgment about people who you know nothing about. "i don't like the art therefor people who make it are scumbags" that's basically what you are saying. you don't have to like bin bags full of paper, i don't particularly enjoy it either, but to attack the artists with bullshit claims is unfair and wrong.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33124164]I don't know what it's actual name is, I've usually just heard it referred to as modern art, like a piece of art that is essentially a jug of water.[/QUOTE] Maybe Conceptual Art is the term you're looking for?

[QUOTE=squids_eye;33124345]What about that bed one then? You seemed familar with that.[/QUOTE] the bed is like a picture of a certain timeframe. to see it in person is the way you should have seen it because you tend to miss the interesting details like the stains and random gross stuff everywhere. it really describes heavy depression so well.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33124382]right, so you are jealous of people making money out of "nothing" therefor it's fair to make a judgment about people who you know nothing about. "i don't like the art therefor people who make it are scumbags" that's basically what you are saying. you don't have to like bin bags full of paper, i don't particularly enjoy it either, but to attack the artists with bullshit claims is unfair and wrong.[/QUOTE] It's more the fact that I see neither talent nor any message behind it. I'm not calling the artists scum bags, in fact they're absolute genius' considering they've managed to make a fortune out of nothing.

[QUOTE=Fish_poke;33120493]If Hitler was right about anything, it is that Modern art is fucking awful.[/QUOTE] Godwin's Law in the last place I'd expect it to be...

[QUOTE=thisispain;33124421]to see it in person is the way you should have seen it because you tend to miss the interesting details like the stains and random gross stuff everywhere.[/QUOTE] All visual art should be seen in person I say.

Good job cleaning lady. That pretentious shit cannot and should not be called "Art". Rembrandt's paitings are art, Michelangelo's statues are art. That shit ain't art.

[QUOTE=aydin690;33124522]Good job cleaning lady. That pretentious shit cannot and should not be called "Art". Rembrandt's paitings are art, Michelangelo's statues are art.[/QUOTE] how is it pretentious? [editline]4th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;33124485]It's more the fact that I see neither talent nor any message behind it.[/QUOTE] if you can't see any message behind it that's because the message is what you derive from it. do you demand a book tells you what the meaning and what the plot is before you read it? and talent doesn't exist anyway.

Hello, folks! I'm a student at an institute devoted exclusively to the fine arts. I can offer you the following definition of art, given to the freshmen of the school on day one. "Art is form and content." In more detail, anything can be considered art as long as it is aesthetically pleasing. Whether or not you agree with the aesthetic preferences of another individual is another matter entirely.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33124538]how is it pretentious?[/QUOTE] Pretentious: "Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed." Sounds about right.

[QUOTE=aydin690;33124573]Pretentious: "Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed." Sounds about right.[/QUOTE] the art doesn't attempt to impress at all, that's kind of the point. what is pretentious is focusing on the craft aspect of the art, appealing to people who think that talent means the art is worth something. you can't really say it's pretentious when the whole idea behind the style is to not impress any importance, talent or culture. so good job using the word pretentious incorrectly

[QUOTE=thisispain;33124538] if you can't see any message behind it that's because the message is what you derive from it. do you demand a book tells you what the meaning and what the plot is before you read it? and talent doesn't exist anyway.[/QUOTE] Fair enough, but the artists certainly don't deserve the acclaim they get considering any old average joe could make it.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33124658]Fair enough, but the artists certainly don't deserve the acclaim they get considering any old average joe could make it.[/QUOTE] well why isn't it a good thing that any old average joe could make it? i don't think elitism makes for very good art. ms. newsom is an old average joanna, why would we be elitist by declaring because she's an average person she doesn't deserve any acclaim? it doesn't make the art any better as the art during the fascist era's will prove.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33124714]well why isn't it a good thing that any old average joe could make it? i don't think elitism makes for very good art. ms. newsom is an old average joanna, why would we be elitist by declaring because she's an average person she doesn't deserve any acclaim? it doesn't make the art any better as the art during the fascist era's will prove.[/QUOTE] Because there is nothing particularly special about it, anyone can pack a bag full of paper, so why does one bag of paper get sold off for thousands under the label of art?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33124763]Because there is nothing particularly special about it, anyone can pack a bag full of paper, so why does one bag of paper get sold off for thousands under the label of art?[/QUOTE] i don't know, right place and the right time? same reason why sonic youth toured without a single fan for like 10 years? artists aren't running a scam, they're just trying to do their thing and i'd rather people allow people to do their thing rather than be hostile simply because they were lucky and got a break. if this isn't jealousy then what is? it's the same reason why one person is rich and one person is poor. but what the fucking fuck does that have to do with art?

If making art is so easy then why don't you guys do it and make a buttload of money, after all, it's super easy

[QUOTE=Clementine;33125731]If making art is so easy then why don't you guys do it and make a buttload of money, after all, it's super easy[/QUOTE] It's not hard to pack a fucking bag full of paper. The real trouble is finding someone stupid enough to actually buy a bag full of paper for anything over £1 The only artists who get away with it are con artists.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33125802]It's not hard to pack a fucking bag full of paper. The real trouble is finding someone stupid enough to actually buy a bag full of paper for anything over £1 The only artists who get away with it are con artists.[/QUOTE] yeah i'm pretty sure it is jealously. artists who "get away with it" aren't con artists, they simply have people who appreciate them. there's nothing wrong with that you judgmental dillhole

Let me see if I can write an opinion that can please both sides of this argument and see if I can not sound like a douchebag: It's been pretty much stated that art by definition is anything that can evoke a feeling or emotion, so you can't deny that this is art. What's up for grabs however, is if it's GOOD art. I, personally, think this is bad art. Hell, I think it's a piece of shit. To me, it doesn't matter how much effort you put into a piece if the end result doesn't reflect that effort somehow. But again, that's just, like, my opinion, man, and the opinion of an overweight 20-year-old college dropout isn't going to stop anyone from trying anyways.

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;33125890]What's up for grabs however, is if it's GOOD art. I, personally, think this is bad art. [/QUOTE] yeah that's fine but when you act like a caveman discussing the art kinda flies out the window.

Some people just don't get modern art. Trying to explain it to those people is like explaining a seventh sense to them.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33125886]yeah i'm pretty sure it is jealously. artists who "get away with it" aren't con artists, they simply have people who appreciate them. there's nothing wrong with that you judgmental dillhole[/QUOTE] But what makes those artists so special that their bag of paper is worth thousands?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33125933]But what makes those artists so special that their bag of paper is worth thousands?[/QUOTE] uhh, nothing. the value of art comes from the value of collecting. like an album that's rare and expensive to get or something. i don't know

It's easy to price things if you're rich. Take a mug and pay 100k for it. It will instantly be worth 100k even if it has nothing special about it. All that matters is the price someone paid for it.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33122965]TO ME IT DON'T LOOK ART, ME WANT SMASH ART!!! [img]http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/132760/132760,1204611889,2/stock-vector-vector-of-angry-caveman-frustrated-with-his-computer-10014256.jpg[/img] [editline]4th November 2011[/editline] umm hitler said modern art was bad because it was negro's and jews perverting nature and the german identity. if you think he was right about that you either are a blistering racist idiot or you don't know what you are talking about.[/QUOTE] You're late.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;33126026]You're late.[/QUOTE] uhm, boys don't get periods.