Overzealous cleaner ruins £690,000 artwork that she thought was dirty - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mon;33127771]remember kids, if you think the art's crap it's just ~too deep for you~[/QUOTE] like this shit for instance, what is the point of that? no-one says this. [editline]4th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Turnips5;33127786]the less you get paid the purer your art anyway[/QUOTE] well then we'll never know the purest of all art.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33127794]like this shit for instance, what is the point of that? no-one says this. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=thisispain;33127603] to say that modern art and post-modern art is shite because anyone could do it is missing the point so amazingly that you actually hit the point without ever understanding what you are saying. not only can anyone do it, everyone should do it. tracey emin's bed was not about realism or glorifying god or striking people as pretty, it was about showing depression in as honest of a form as possible. that's art because it expressed something and it spoke and connected with people. basically, you are all just jealous and can't stand the fact that people actually get rewarded for work. you guys could have made this artwork but you didn't, so shut the fuck up about that.[/QUOTE] [editline]4th November 2011[/editline] huh

[QUOTE=thisispain;33127794]well then we'll never know the purest of all art.[/QUOTE] doing art to get laid or to be famous or to get rich makes your art impure. everyone here should read this book [img]http://i.imgur.com/IDX5U.jpg[/img] [editline]5th November 2011[/editline] for this reason, graffiti on toilet walls is among the purest forms of art. people do it because they can.

[QUOTE=Mon;33127771]remember kids, if you think the art's crap it's just ~too deep for you~[/QUOTE] Not everyone who is interested in modern art is out there to feel intellectually superior to you.

[QUOTE=Mon;33127827][editline]4th November 2011[/editline] huh[/QUOTE] yeah except i never said "it's ~too deep for you~ ". thanks for shoving that straw up my ass. what i mean when i say people are missing the point is they aren't giving it a chance, they never look past the shallow exterior of what it is made of and focus on like what it's made of. it's not too deep for anyone, but if you wanna understand it and enjoy it you have to give it a fucking try and at least attempt to understand what it is about. if that in your mind is the same as saying "~too deep for you~" then eat me

[QUOTE=thisispain;33127883]yeah except i never said "it's ~too deep for you~ ". thanks for shoving that straw up my ass. [B]what i mean when i say people are missing the point is they aren't giving it a chance, they never look past the shallow exterior of what it is made of and focus on like what it's made of. [/B] it's not too deep for anyone, but if you wanna understand it and enjoy it you have to give it a fucking try and at least attempt to understand what it is about. if that in your mind is the same as saying "~too deep for you~" then eat me[/QUOTE] so again, ~too deep for you~

[QUOTE=thisispain;33127766]hmmm that's not really what i have a problem with, it's more the cavemen who wanna smash something or valiantly declare they could do the same exact thing. if you don't like the art work then that's fine, but don't say just because it's shit it's not art, use your brain and actually talk about what the art work means and why you don't like on that level. there's wanting to have a conversation about art and then there's jerking each other off over putting art in quotes and declaring you could do better. i mean i'm not gonna judge but that much semen ingestion from people you don't know can't be good for you.[/QUOTE] And this, boys and girls, is why no one likes modern art. If it's just SO DEEP that the "inner meaning" doesnt resonate with us, how about you explain it huh? Obviously you're so deep you immediately get all the COMPLICATED INTRINSIC MESSAGES AND COMMENTARY ON SOCIETY that come from that STACK OF WOODEN PLANKS. Please, there's modern art that actually represents something, and that's fine, but this isn't modern art, its just not, it represents fuck all. Saying modern art is meant to stop pretentiousness and show how any one can do art, while you pretentiously say how no one gets it except ~*~deep thinkers~*~ is completely hypocritical, and then talking about how we all say we could do it, but didnt? Of course we could! Any one can mess up a bed or stack a load of wooden planks, and to say 'oh you just didnt have the idea to make it art' is completely stupid, it just means absolutely NO ONE thought that a messy bed was ~*~art~*~ until this fucking retarded modern art bullshit became popular It's all well and good to have modern art that ACTUALLY represents something, I enjoy trying to find deeper meaning to mundane things, it kind of gives the world a sense of purpose, but quite frankly its being abused 99% of the time these days as a way to get money and seem deep, when in reality the artist probably doesn't see any deeper meaning in his own work and simply found the easy way into 'high society', and the fact it inspires all this stupid self-serving "Oh you just don't get it because its too deep" really pisses me off, you say we're all circle jerking over hating modern art, while you sit there and talk down to everyone about how you get these oh so complex deeper meanings behind a stack of wooden planks with mud on it.

[QUOTE=Mon;33127925]so again, ~too deep for you~[/QUOTE] no nothing is too deep for anyone, that's stupid. that's saying there's such a thing as too deep when there isn't. if you feel insecure and incapable of understanding it i'm sorry but let everyone else have a chance.

[QUOTE=postmanX3;33127697]I don't think it's shit because anyone could do it, I think it's shit because 95% of modern and post-modern art completely fails to resonate with me at all. Like, that bed? I don't get "honest" depression, I just see a messy bed. Of course, my [I]thinking[/I] that it's shit does not actually make it shit, since, naturally, art is entirely subjective. So I suppose if people actually appreciate it and are apparently willing to pay absurdly exorbitant amounts of money for it, then more power to them. Just don't try to convince me I'm [I]wrong[/I] in thinking it's shit, because then you're being a huge hypocrite.[/QUOTE] The problem I think with any of this post-Romanticism stuff is that ultimately, thisispain's totally right about what post-modern art is trying to be. It was originally intended to be a deconstruction of art as being what some people saw as idealized, heavily biased towards the rich and influential, and unwilling to go outside the box. So for a while, yes, it was pretty good of an idea. Nowadays, well, you get things like this. It means things to some people, other people simply see it as a weird installation of boards. That just might be that I have a horrible imagination and tend to be bad interpreting even [I]normal[/I] art, but that's not the point. That's my view, and I don't understand how anyone could ever tell me that I'm misguided or don't understand what it's about. That's the gorram point of art, ain't it? It's become [I]too[/I] focused on the individual, to the point where not understanding how the artist sees it is seen as a horrible thing. Where I stop agreeing with thisispain is somewhere around this point. Just because modern art isn't about idealizing the beauty of the world doesn't mean that it shouldn't. I mean, people who don't follow modern styles get looked down on as old-fashioned, and you can't deny that there's humongous bias against those artists for "newer, fresher minds." I mean, this is why I don't follow art at all, because it makes no sense to me that there's objective standards for what is and isn't art.

What sort of museum cleaning staff scrubs the fucking art pieces? Imagine if an employee at the Louvre just walked up and took a sponge to a Monet or something? What a goddamn idiot. (Also I hate to utter the much hated art phrase, "You just don't get it" but Jesus Christ are the first few dozen comments dense as fuck. Art isn't some arbitrary definition that only extends as far as you understand, it's a subjective highly complicated matter. Go wank to your Fascist Movement labor posters if you don't like some art that requires half a functioning brain-cell.)

[QUOTE=thisispain;33127955]no nothing is too deep for anyone, that's stupid. that's saying there's such a thing as too deep when there isn't. if you feel insecure and incapable of understanding it i'm sorry but let everyone else have a chance.[/QUOTE] it's funny because you're trying to act all smart and shit but already you're resorting to ad hominem

[QUOTE=Wam;33127941]And this, boys and girls, is why no one likes modern art. If it's just SO DEEP that the "inner meaning" doesnt resonate with us, how about you explain it huh? Obviously you're so deep you immediately get all the COMPLICATED INTRINSIC MESSAGES AND COMMENTARY ON SOCIETY that come from that STACK OF WOODEN PLANKS. Please, there's modern art that actually represents something, and that's fine, but this isn't modern art, its just not, it represents fuck all.[/QUOTE] why are you getting so pissed off lol. you haven't even seen the art piece in person which is pretty important. [QUOTE=Wam;33127941]Saying modern art is meant to stop pretentiousness and show how any one can do art, while you pretentiously say how no one gets it except ~*~deep thinkers~*~ is completely hypocritical, and then talking about how we all say we could do it, but didnt? [/QUOTE] -no-, i said anyone could get it as long as they give it a try and not get hung up about the materials or the time it took to build it. [QUOTE=Wam;33127941]Of course we could! Any one can mess up a bed or stack a load of wooden planks, and to say 'oh you just didnt have the idea to make it art' is completely stupid, it just means absolutely NO ONE thought that a messy bed was ~*~art~*~ until this fucking retarded modern art bullshit became popular[/QUOTE] well now it is, so if you are so sure you could make the same thing i invite you to make something yourself.

art is for nerds anyway

[QUOTE=Mon;33127975]it's funny because you're trying to act all smart and shit but already you're resorting to ad hominem[/QUOTE] well i don't know what you are trying to say because you said something and pretended that i said it even though i explained why what i was saying was different. so either you're projecting your own insecurities or you are reading someone else's posts. [editline]4th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=itak365;33127961]Where I stop agreeing with thisispain is somewhere around this point. Just because modern art isn't about idealizing the beauty of the world doesn't mean that it shouldn't.[/QUOTE] well i never said that either. just don't knock down shit without giving it a chance. when you listen to an album you shouldn't get hung up on the recording quality either.

[QUOTE=DanRatherman;33127971]What sort of museum cleaning staff scrubs the fucking art pieces?[/QUOTE] Since when did museums have art pieces that could be mistaken for crap that needed scrubbing? see I can ask rhetorical questions too

[QUOTE=thisispain;33127991] well now it is, so if you are so sure you could make the same thing i invite you to make something yourself. [/QUOTE] I accept your invitation, allow me to go and mess up my be- Oh it's already messy, MODERN ART. [quote]-no-, i said anyone could get it as long as they give it a try and not get hung up about the materials or the time it took to build it.[/quote] The problem with that is that they aren't giving it a try to express themselves in a creative way, or get people to understand a deeper meaning, now a days its just a fad to make quick cash or popularity. [quote]why are you getting so pissed off lol. you haven't even seen the art piece in person which is pretty important.[/quote] The fuck, yes because obviously seeing this stack of wooden planks in real life rather than in a photograph would completely change my perception of it, its magical deeper meaning field would encompass my very soul and awaken me to the complex social commentary, of the wooden garden ornament. You have literally no argument ThisIsPain, you're just flailing about trying to seem intelligent, challenging me to make a stack of wooden planks or a messy bed? Please.

[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;33128011]art is for nerds anyway[/QUOTE] well then facepunch should be the ideal place for art

[QUOTE=thisispain;33128023]well i don't know what you are trying to project because you said something and pretended that i said it even though i explained why what i was saying was different. so either you're projecting your own insecurities or you are reading someone else's posts.[/QUOTE] -guy thinks that you're a being a snob -try to spin post -guy still thinks you're a snob -lol he must be some insecure dumbass nice train of thought there speaking of trains of thought -take a random/mundane things -tack on some bs meaning to it -art! [editline]4th November 2011[/editline] [img]http://pics.myspew.com/var/albums/geek/Mario%20Fire%20Hydrant.jpg?m=1301364911[/img] this sculpture represents how the virtual world is beginning to merge with ours - both in the mundane sense and the cultural sense. what was once an everyday object has collided with video game culture and created this beautiful and thought provoking work of art. bids starting at $100,000

[QUOTE=thisispain;33128023]well i don't know what you are trying to say because you said something and pretended that i said it even though i explained why what i was saying was different. so either you're projecting your own insecurities or you are reading someone else's posts.[/QUOTE] Ugh u guys just dont get it, u must be insecure or sumthin to not get this DEEP ART It's hilarious how stupid you're making yourself seem, half of me wants to believe you're just purposefully trolling.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33128055]well then facepunch should be the ideal place for art[/QUOTE] maybe if this forum wasn't so prone to starting a shitfit every time A Thing They Don't Like is mentioned

[QUOTE=Wam;33128054]I accept your invitation, allow me to go and mess up my be- Oh it's already messy, MODERN ART.[/QUOTE] well let me see it, maybe i'll like it. [QUOTE=Wam;33128054]The problem with that is that they aren't giving it a try to express themselves in a creative way, or get people to understand a deeper meaning, now a days its just a fad to make quick cash or popularity.[/QUOTE] he wasn't even known till around his death! [QUOTE=Wam;33128054]The fuck, yes because obviously seeing this stack of wooden planks in real life rather than in a photograph would completely change my perception of it, its magical deeper meaning field would encompass my very soul and awaken me to the complex social commentary, of the wooden garden ornament.[/QUOTE] no uh, it's because you could read what was written on it. yeah. see you're getting pissed off at me because of shit you yourself are saying. you're pretending to be someone else so you can snipe at me for something you are saying so i don't particularly know how to talk to you besides insults. [editline]4th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Wam;33128100]Ugh u guys just dont get it, u must be insecure or sumthin to not get this DEEP ART It's hilarious how stupid you're making yourself seem, half of me wants to believe you're just purposefully trolling.[/QUOTE] i don't even know what you are angry about hah

[QUOTE=thisispain;33128023]well i don't know what you are trying to say because you said something and pretended that i said it even though i explained why what i was saying was different. so either you're projecting your own insecurities or you are reading someone else's posts. [editline]4th November 2011[/editline] well i never said that either. just don't knock down shit without giving it a chance. when you listen to an album you shouldn't get hung up on the recording quality either.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't quite say that I would be criticizing the recording quality, so much as having the album's other fans tell me that I don't understand that the lyrics to "Brain, Dolphin, IRS Form-A and Cheese Cubes" are not simply a hilarious set of Word Salad lyrics, but some sort of existential tract on nuclear weapons and the sexualization of media. What I'm really concerned about is merely that I am not able to comfortably state my opinion about art in modern times without it being considered "Incorrect."

[QUOTE=thisispain;33128146] see you're getting pissed off at me because of shit you yourself are saying. you're pretending to be someone else so you can snipe at me for something you are saying so i don't particularly know how to talk to you besides insults.[/QUOTE] Actually I think you're getting pissed off, and trying to project it onto me to seem like you're the one who's kept his composure, silly kid.

[QUOTE=Mon;33128056]-guy thinks that you're a being a snob -try to spin post -guy still thinks you're a snob -lol he must be some insecure dumbass[/QUOTE] declare someone a snob [QUOTE=Mon;33128056]nice train of thought there speaking of trains of thought -take a random/mundane things -tack on some bs meaning to it -art! [/QUOTE] then decide something is mundane or random and it is BS. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snob[/url] do you see social insecurity written down there?

[img]http://static2.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/5/5/7/large2/755259.jpg[/img] Art, my poppets. It's sending a subconscious message that stock images are taking over our lives, showing how in our culture everyone is becoming a clone of each other, everyone using each others stock images until eventually, we shall all lose creativity. £100,000

[QUOTE=Wam;33128171]Actually I think you're getting pissed off, and trying to project it onto me to seem like you're the one who's kept his composure, silly kid.[/QUOTE] uhm. okay. what are you here for again? [editline]4th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Wam;33128194][img]http://static2.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/5/5/7/large2/755259.jpg[/img] Art, my poppets.[/QUOTE] that's a stock image.

thisispain is a really funny poster moreso the reactions his posts get

This piece requires research. You cannot properly or fairly criticise nor defend it through this picture.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33128185]declare someone a snob then decide something is mundane or random and it is BS. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snob[/url] do you see social insecurity written down there?[/QUOTE] i don't know what you're trying to do by attacking me personally doesn't prove my argument wrong [QUOTE=thisispain;33128185] then decide something is mundane or random and it is BS. [/QUOTE] what are you trying to say here

[QUOTE=thisispain;33128196]uhm. okay. what are you here for again? [/QUOTE] And there we go, he's finally resorted to posting random questions without addressing any one. My job is done here. Poor 'lil troll, you lost around the time you began responding to everyone with 'UR JUST MAD LOL XD'