• Male student forced to step down after democratically elected as women’s officer at TUU
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[QUOTE=Antdawg;47545599]Well explain why feminists are upset that a man was elected as women's officer then? And don't tell me that they aren't 'true feminists', because I don't think you, presumably a male, could make that judgement about a movement you have no stake in.[/QUOTE] Wow. You are literally the exact kind of person I was trying to describe. Women are allowed to talk about the "advantages" of being a man (despite clearly not being men) but a man can't attempt to stand up for women because he, a male, couldn't possibly understand what they're going through? WOMEN HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A MAN. Why are they allowed to talk about it from a position of authority but not the other way around? Please examine your reasoning, it's completely retarded.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;47545599]Well explain why feminists are upset that a man was elected as women's officer then? And don't tell me that they aren't 'true feminists', because I don't think you, presumably a male, could make that judgement about a movement you have no stake in.[/QUOTE] 1) Men can support feminism too. 2) Because feminism is a broad term that encompasses people who support this decision and people who oppose it.
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;47546548]1) Men can support feminism too. 2) Because feminism is a broad term that encompasses people who support this decision and people who oppose it.[/QUOTE] I never said I didn't support feminism. I was saying that men shouldn't go around telling feminists how they should do things, like what's a 'good' feminist and what's a 'bad' feminist. Because men have no experience with what it's like to be a woman. The people who are actually affected by progress from the feminism movement, women, should be making that judgement. [editline]18th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=FlakAttack;47546481]Wow. You are literally the exact kind of person I was trying to describe. Women are allowed to talk about the "advantages" of being a man (despite clearly not being men) but a man can't attempt to stand up for women because he, a male, couldn't possibly understand what they're going through? WOMEN HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A MAN. Why are they allowed to talk about it from a position of authority but not the other way around? Please examine your reasoning, it's completely retarded.[/QUOTE] Well if a woman talks about the advantages of being a man, that's because on that issue women are disadvantaged. Eg as men generally have larger salaries than women, a woman who would talk about men having higher salaries would be talking about why women have lower salaries. Are they not allowed to speak up about that?
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47546466]What the fuck are you even doing any more? You really should stop yourself from commenting on things like this, it's making you look really, really dumb. What logical reason is there for a male to represent female issues on campus? Something he hasn't experienced, and likely will not experience due to him being male. It's like letting the whitest motherfucker you know represent the blackest cocks on campus, despite the white guy never having to deal with the racial issues of being a black person. How can they effectively represent that? Would the people they are representing really feel comfortable coming to them with problems? Would they really understand the impact of any changes as they don't exactly impact that person themselves?[/QUOTE] By your logic it would be impossible to elect public representatives, because there's not a single person that is able to go through every hardship that every group goes through. It's impossible for a single women to identify with every prejudice women suffer. His job was to identify women's needs, interests and concerns in the university and help them, not to say "Yeah, I know how that feels". Besides, isn't this what we're always told when we claim feminism is for women's only? "It's equality for everyone!" "Feminism helps men too!" "It's going to make things better for everyone!" [QUOTE=Antdawg;47548501]I never said I didn't support feminism. I was saying that men shouldn't go around telling feminists how they should do things, like what's a 'good' feminist and what's a 'bad' feminist. Because men have no experience with what it's like to be a woman. The people who are actually affected by progress from the feminism movement, women, should be making that judgement.[/QUOTE] You talk like men and women live in separates realities and that things that affect women don't affect men and vice versa.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47545690]Bit of a difference between understanding medical procedures you've never experienced and understanding social issues you've never experienced, unless you're saying that a doctor telling you about an operation he's never undergone [B]is the same as a trust fund one-percenter lecturing about living on welfare.[/B][/QUOTE] If he was elected by them to represent them on that issue, I'd think it'd be stupid as hell to to take that away from him and replace him with someone who has actually been on welfare just for the sake of it.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;47549349]If he was elected by them to represent them on that issue, I'd think it'd be stupid as hell to to take that away from him and replace him with someone who has actually been on welfare just for the sake of it.[/QUOTE] As we have already well established, it makes a big difference whether he was elected by the student body as a whole, as the article implies, or just the female students, but either way all else being equal a female student will relate better than a male student to female-specific issues.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;47548501]I never said I didn't support feminism. I was saying that men shouldn't go around telling feminists how they should do things, like what's a 'good' feminist and what's a 'bad' feminist. Because men have no experience with what it's like to be a woman. The people who are actually affected by progress from the feminism movement, women, should be making that judgement. [/QUOTE] Feminism is a gender equality movement, not a women's benefit movement.
The strangest thing is why they voted for this guy to represent them.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47549407]As we have already well established, it makes a big difference whether he was elected by the student body as a whole, as the article implies, or just the female students, but either way all else being equal a female student will relate better than a male student to female-specific issues.[/QUOTE] As the feminists always claim that males have privilege and are always in a position of power, wouldn't a man being the person to work for womens issues be an immense advantage to fight these issues? He could use his male proficiencies as a leverage to solve problems.
This is still really bothering me so I'm going to pose a hypothetical to those of you who say only a woman should be assigned to this position. What if he identified as a woman? Biologically still a male. Hasn't undergone gender reassignment surgery either because of cost, recommendation of a therapist, or simply doesn't want to at this time. Grew up as a man, and just recently realized he was trans. Would you still support her removal from the position?
The same thing would be to ask the president to step down from the office because he earns more money than the poorest people of the country which is why he can't solve their problems because he doesn't know what it feels like to be poor.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47549407]As we have already well established, it makes a big difference whether he was elected by the student body as a whole, as the article implies, or just the female students, but either way all else being equal a female student will relate better than a male student to female-specific issues.[/QUOTE] You haven't established shit.
All that has been established is a series of double-standards and prejudices that are used to determine who should be excluded or included.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47544677]That's not what privilege means and anyone who presents it that way, man or woman, has no idea what they're talking about. I can't believe I'm actually defending feminism here but your own ignorance of social theory is not an argument against it. Privilege describes social trends that favor some groups over others through systemic biases and has nothing to do with individuals. It's not about how hard your childhood was and it's not saying your experiences don't matter because you're part of a privileged group.[/QUOTE] Bunquer has already explained my post for me.
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