This is the weirdest, kinda upsetting leak I've seen in a while. All it does is show that the execs at Sony are really, really weird people, and just kinda invades their privacy. Of all things to leak, it's just kinda uncomfortable, there really isn't any info you could claim that we have the right to know (Outside of some shady shit like them supporting Telecom companies sorta underhandedly).
[QUOTE=Monkah;47552453]having the government secretly spying on people is a lot different than a few company projects/emails being leaked[/QUOTE]
No, that's not how this works.
You can't condone people's accounts being hacked and piles of nude photos being leaked or tons of private e-mails and employee information being 'splayed for everyone to see while complaining about the NSA. You're just being a colossal hypocrite if you do.
What value did this leak serve? Most of this doesn't even relate to Sony's business, it's just personal emails that employees conversed in. This shouldn't have been published. It's an invasion of privacy, no 'ifs' 'ands' or 'buts'. At least the NSA keeps the info internally and doesn't show your personal life to the public.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;47552825]What value did this leak serve? Most of this doesn't even relate to Sony's business, it's just personal emails that employees conversed in. This shouldn't have been published. It's an invasion of privacy, no 'ifs' 'ands' or 'buts'. At least the NSA keeps the info internally and doesn't show your personal life to the public.[/QUOTE]
Proves Sony isn't learning and making changes to improve their security. That's what I'm taking away from this at least.
[QUOTE=MedicWine;47552837]Proves Sony isn't learning and making changes to improve their security. That's what I'm taking away from this at least.[/QUOTE]
That's absolutely true, Sony is honestly just fucking stupid at this point for not fixing their security properly. However, the point still stands about it being an invasion of privacy.
Is this the same data that was released by GoP awhile ago? Or did they send Wikileaks the full data? Might have been answered somewhere but I can't find it.
[QUOTE=Thlis;47549967]I think it proves a bunch of you are hypocrites with no real care for privacy other than your own.[/QUOTE]
Spying on individuals in* companies isn't fantastic but private citizens releasing info on companies who have fiscal responsibilities to shareholders and consumers =/severity/= [B]a government institution[/B] spying domestically and externally on it's own individual citizens and citizens of it's allies. One is tangibly worse than the other. Even though a lot of this stuff is embarrassing to employees, if Sony has terrible security practices then people who are going to be doing business with them or buying stuff from them might want to know about that, sony has responsibilities that most private citizens don't have.
This has revealed a staggering level of incompetency and downright unprofessional behavior; and to a degree consumers, and shareholders have a moral pretext to know about that. Sony needs to get their shit together, this is absurd. With all that said though I'm not going to participate in rifling around in peoples private emails, but if nothing else this should be a personal wakeup call for sonys head office to start straightening out their subsidiaries, breaches like this should not be happening to such a huge and (formerly) trusted media conglomerate.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47552504]Yeah, but when people get outraged about 'MY PRIVACY, THEY'RE INFRINGING MY RIGHTS' and then are happy to download nude photos and private emails it's more than a little bit hypocritical.[/QUOTE]
Nice compositional strawman argument
You're categorically inferring that all people who value their privacy participate in that, which is likely very far from the truth.
[QUOTE=MedicWine;47552837]Proves Sony isn't learning and making changes to improve their security. That's what I'm taking away from this at least.[/QUOTE]
I think only SCE improved their security after the playstation hacks, and SPE didn't
Well, I found out Natalie Portman's email address as a result of this. So now I get to tell her that I think she's gorgeous and that I wish she could sign some memorabilia for me. As a sign of respect, I will not send dick picks without asking first.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;47552894]Spying on individuals in* companies isn't fantastic but private citizens releasing info on companies who have fiscal responsibilities to shareholders and consumers =/severity/= [B]a government institution[/B] spying domestically and externally on it's own individual citizens and citizens of it's allies. One is tangibly worse than the other. Even though a lot of this stuff is embarrassing to employees, if Sony has terrible security practices then people who are going to be doing business with them or buying stuff from them might want to know about that, sony has responsibilities that most private citizens don't have.[/QUOTE]
Private citizens releasing personal information on other private citizens who happen to work for a company serves no public interest whatsoever. There was no attempt at redaction or to conceal the identities of people involved.
Some of the information shows wrongdoing on Sony's part, but even then it's a stretch to say that the best way to address it is in the court of public opinion following a 100% illegal theft of their data. And the majority of the information is [i]not[/i] wrongdoing, it's corporate information like ongoing projects that people are interested in for no reason besides curiosity and entertainment, and personal information that shouldn't be disclosed to the public.
This isn't whistleblowing and yes, any person or institution who would complain about the NSA's erosion of privacy (including Wikileaks itself) but would then upload, spread, or access this private information themselves is a [i]massive[/i] hypocrite.
To me, the NSA "operation" consists of two parts: Data "acquisition" followed by data "review".
Most people, I think, have problems with both parts of their operation; I, personally, have more problems with the first because it's the first which allows the second for information most would consider "private". If they were just looking at publicly viewable information on sites like Facebook and Twitter, then it wouldn't really even be news.
But anyway, the point is, the people going through these leaks (or "benefiting" from them, like I am I suppose since I've read this thread), are doing the second part of the NSA operation. This doesn't mean they condone hacking into businesses and getting private information; it could be just as easily a case of "well it's out there now, so why not".
Also, if these emails were being sent from or to company emails, those employees shouldn't have any reasonable expectation of privacy (in the sense most think of it, "freedom from outside observation") because the company would want the ability to record and view all traffic, email included, for a number of reasons (and would legally need to inform their employees if I recall correctly). Though considering how shit Sony's security apparently is, it wouldn't be shocking if such expectations weren't present. Mind, this doesn't justify "the internet" going through those emails, but it should be the difference between someone snooping through your company assigned business email and your own personal email.
This isn't to say there aren't some "hypocrites" here, perhaps I'm one in denial, but everything isn't black and white as some posters are making it out to be in my opinion.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;47553486]To me, the NSA "operation" consists of two parts: Data "acquisition" followed by data "review".
Most people, I think, have problems with both parts of their operation; I, personally, have more problems with the first because it's the first which allows the second for information most would consider "private". If they were just looking at publicly viewable information on sites like Facebook and Twitter, then it wouldn't really even be news.
But anyway, the point is, the people going through these leaks (or "benefiting" from them, like I am I suppose since I've read this thread), are doing the second part of the NSA operation. This doesn't mean they condone hacking into businesses and getting private information; it could be just as easily a case of "well it's out there now, so why not".
Also, if these emails were being sent from or to company emails, those employees shouldn't have any reasonable expectation of privacy (in the sense most think of it, "freedom from outside observation") because the company would want the ability to record and view all traffic, email included, for a number of reasons (and would legally need to inform their employees if I recall correctly). Though considering how shit Sony's security apparently is, it wouldn't be shocking if such expectations weren't present. Mind, this doesn't justify "the internet" going through those emails, but it should be the difference between someone snooping through your company assigned business email and your own personal email.
This isn't to say there aren't some "hypocrites" here, perhaps I'm one in denial, but everything isn't black and white as some posters are making it out to be in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
The "Fappening" was disgusting and showed that the internet is still as full of dumb horny 13 year olds as ever.
This Sony leak is literally nothing like the NSA and comparing it just makes people seem like they're trying to get zingers. Julian Assange is a bit of a dick for not censoring passwords but the only reason this event happened was because of INCOMPETENCE. And the only reason anyone wouldn't have changed their passwords after the Sony hacking is because they are an IDIOT so it's their fault if they never changed anything, I don't know how someone that stupid could have gotten a job at Sony in the first place.
The NSA is trawling through people's information building lists and such that can easily be used as blackmail or intimidation. It might be a little shitty to read some private emails but it's nothing at all like the NSA and hopefully it will again punish Sony for being so dangerously unprofessional with security, I mean how much credit card info was leaked when this happened? Sony has had plenty of time for damage control and getting employee wide password changes. I'm hoping when this stuff happens its a wake up call for companies to beef up your security.
[QUOTE=Zeos;47552518]This is the weirdest, kinda upsetting leak I've seen in a while. All it does is show that the execs at Sony are really, really weird people, and just kinda invades their privacy. Of all things to leak, it's just kinda uncomfortable, there really isn't any info you could claim that we have the right to know (Outside of some shady shit like them supporting Telecom companies sorta underhandedly).[/QUOTE]
You'll find most entertainment companies are filled with same exact types of personalities.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;47553630]hopefully it will again punish Sony for being so dangerously unprofessional with security, I mean how much credit card info was leaked when this happened? Sony has had plenty of time for damage control and getting employee wide password changes. I'm hoping when this stuff happens its a wake up call for companies to beef up your security.[/QUOTE]
Really the problem isn't just with Sony. Sony just had the unfortunate luck to be targeted by someone who was capable and willing to do harm. If you spend any time in the security scene you'll find how insecure and vulnerable most companies and organizations are.
[QUOTE=Monkah;47552453]having the government secretly spying on people is a lot different than a few company projects/emails being leaked[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the difference being Wikileaks HAS done what the government MIGHT. Everyone in this leak is someone who has demonstrably had their privacy violated, whereas we can only speculate that maybe the NSA will do something horrible with your information.
[editline]18th April 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;47553630]The "Fappening" was disgusting and showed that the internet is still as full of dumb horny 13 year olds as ever.
This Sony leak is literally nothing like the NSA and comparing it just makes people seem like they're trying to get zingers. Julian Assange is a bit of a dick for not censoring passwords but the only reason this event happened was because of INCOMPETENCE. And the only reason anyone wouldn't have changed their passwords after the Sony hacking is because they are an IDIOT so it's their fault if they never changed anything, I don't know how someone that stupid could have gotten a job at Sony in the first place.
The NSA is trawling through people's information building lists and such that can easily be used as blackmail or intimidation. It might be a little shitty to read some private emails but it's nothing at all like the NSA and hopefully it will again punish Sony for being so dangerously unprofessional with security, I mean how much credit card info was leaked when this happened? Sony has had plenty of time for damage control and getting employee wide password changes. I'm hoping when this stuff happens its a wake up call for companies to beef up your security.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the reason this happened is because somebody hacked them. It is not one iota more justifiable to burgle a house that left the door wide open than it is a house with barred windows and deadbolts.
[URL]https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/21933[/URL]
[QUOTE]==================================================
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Shipping Carrier: FedEx
Ship Date: March 21, 2014
Shipping Speed: Standard
Carrier Tracking ID: 61292700141623381306
Your shipping address:
Amy Pascal
966 OAKMONT ST
LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA 90049-2228
United States
If you have additional items in your order, you will receive an e-mail when those items have shipped. [/QUOTE]
lmao must suck having this stuff leaked to the world
that israel shit is fucked.
and those die antwoord emails are hilarious, the way he types, i cant help but read it in ninja's voice
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;47552825]What value did this leak serve?[/QUOTE]
Well it gave some insight into the lobbying efforts of the MPAA
[QUOTE=Mingebox;47554142]Yeah, the difference being Wikileaks HAS done what the government MIGHT. Everyone in this leak is someone who has demonstrably had their privacy violated, whereas we can only speculate that maybe the NSA will do something horrible with your information.[/QUOTE]
Wikileaks also isn't the one who hacked in and got the data; they are just displaying leaked information that is (presumably) available elsewhere.
The NSA is "legally" performing mass data collection and review, Wikileaks is hosting some data that one or more hackers illegally acquired. If Wikileaks didn't exist or didn't host this information, it would still be out there somewhere; if the NSA didn't exist, all of the private data they are collecting would not even be collected, let alone viewed.
Wikileaks isn't the "good guy" here, but to imply they are somehow worse than the NSA because of this is ridiculous.
So this Amy woman likes to send mail to herself in all-caps, and she consistently keeps calling a Jumanji remake that they're trying to get off the ground 'JIMANGI'
[url]https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/53595[/url]
[QUOTE=Amy Pascal]
...
AND WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR FISCAL 2018:
ARE THE KONTIKI GUYS DOING WINTERS TALE
ARE THE RUSSOS DOING GREY MAN
WHERE IS MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE
WHERE IS JIMANGI
WHAT ARE OUR PLANS OF THE EDEN SCRIPT
...
[/QUOTE]
Fucking cunts
[url]https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/522[/url]
[QUOTE]From: Molyneux, Phil
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:49 AM
To: Weiser, John
Cc: Cookson, Chris; Colsey, Nick
Subject: Netflix Breaking Bad 4K
Hello John
Thanks for your time earlier this morning with regards to SPE supplying Breaking Bad in 4K to Netflix synchronized with our release of the Netflix 4K enabled Sony TV’s this coming June.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]From: Weiser, John
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 4:05 PM
To: Cookson, Chris; Molyneux, Phil
Cc: Colsey, Nick; Legoy, Keith; Mosko, Steve
Subject: RE: Netflix Breaking Bad 4K
Phil,thanks for your call this morning….Steve and I just met with Michael lynton and we are all on the same page…we will not release breaking bad in 4k with Netflix until the may/june date of the sony 4k tv set launch
John Weiser
President, Distribution
SONY PICTURES TELEVISION
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]rom: Colsey, Nick
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:21 PM
To: Weiser, John
Cc: Legoy, Keith; Mosko, Steve; Fox-Metoyer, Kerri
Subject: RE: Netflix Breaking Bad 4K
John,
Kerri and I will be at the lot on Feb 25th and wondered if you’d be available to meet and catch up on 4K. Some of the topics we’d like to cover are:
- After Breaking Bad, Sony’s policy for licensing movies and other TV content to the Netflix 4K service.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mingebox;47554142]Yeah, the difference being Wikileaks HAS done what the government MIGHT. Everyone in this leak is someone who has demonstrably had their privacy violated, whereas we can only speculate that maybe the NSA will do something horrible with your information.
[editline]18th April 2015[/editline]
Actually, the reason this happened is because somebody hacked them. It is not one iota more justifiable to burgle a house that left the door wide open than it is a house with barred windows and deadbolts.[/QUOTE]
I'd say the biggest and most capable surveilance program in existance building profiles about everyone who used a PC ever is a little different to some guys "hacking" a company where the chief executives send passwords in plaintext through Email. Emails are not encrypted.
In regards to looking at their email it's a little bit scummy, yes, but the intent and willingness to do malicious shit also plays a role.
I found a lot of compromising stuff, tons. Logins, Bank data, pictures, full movies.
I posted the stuff I found funny.
Sure people who post emails about their kids and family and all of that stuff are awful.
The CIA however will deny you greencards/entry to the country if they got shit on you.
Not in a case by case way. It's systematical.
[QUOTE=healthpoint;47554626]So this Amy woman likes to send mail to herself in all-caps, and she consistently keeps calling a Jumanji remake that they're trying to get off the ground 'JIMANGI'
[url]https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/53595[/url][/QUOTE]
These kinda look like notes for a meeting or something
[QUOTE=Killuah;47556223]I'd say the biggest and most capable surveilance program in existance building profiles about everyone who used a PC ever is a little different to some guys "hacking" a company where the chief executives send passwords in plaintext through Email. Emails are not encrypted.
In regards to looking at their email it's a little bit scummy, yes, but the intent and willingness to do malicious shit also plays a role.
I found a lot of compromising stuff, tons. Logins, Bank data, pictures, full movies.
I posted the stuff I found funny.
Sure people who post emails about their kids and family and all of that stuff are awful.
The CIA however will deny you greencards/entry to the country if they got shit on you.
Not in a case by case way. It's systematical.[/QUOTE]
So it would be just "a little bit scummy" if I were to look through your logins, bank data, pictures, and movies?
Stop trying to justify this and make excuses. This is wrong.
[QUOTE=Thlis;47558005]
Stop trying to justify this and make excuses. This is wrong.[/QUOTE]
The information is already out there, no use trying to get a hand over someone's eyes of they already know it's there.
[QUOTE=Andre Gomes;47554953]Fucking cunts
[url]https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/522[/url][/QUOTE]
It's really not that unreasonable for them to hold back a popular product for a bit to help launch a new product. You can wait a few months for the 4k version of a show you've already seen in 1080p, sheesh.
[QUOTE=Andre Gomes;47554953]Fucking cunts
[url]https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/522[/url][/QUOTE]
It's always funny seeing a media company coming up with ways to make it harder for people to consume their media.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;47550321]To me, he looks a lot like Reggie from nintendo, for some reason.[/QUOTE]
I'd say he looks more like Fred Flintstone.
[QUOTE=Thlis;47558005]So it would be just "a little bit scummy" if I were to look through your logins, bank data, pictures, and movies?
Stop trying to justify this and make excuses. This is wrong.[/QUOTE]
You looking at them would probably pretty awkward for me and I'd be an idiot if you got access to them because I had shit security.
It would be wrong of you if you used them for malicious purposes.
It would be totally wrong if you built a giant spying programm involving thousands of active and illegal hacks to gather as much of this stuff as you can about every internet user.
This one is very interesting - [url]https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/3124[/url]
[quote]Netflix do not closely monitor where some of their subscribers are registering from and don’t take steps to counter circumvention websites that allow people in, for example, Australia, to sign up to the US or the UK Netflix service and subscribe illegally (Netflix don’t as of now have a service in Australia, nor do they have Australian rights for our content).
We have asked Netflix to take steps to more closely monitor circumvention websites, and to restrict methods of payment to more clearly weed out subscribers signing up for the service illegally. This is in effect another form of piracy – one semi-sanctioned by Netflix, since they are getting paid by subscribers in territories where Netflix does not have the rights to sell our content.
Netflix are heavily resistant to enforcing stricter financial geofiltering controls, as they claim this would present a too high bar to entry from legitimate subscribers. For example, they want people to be able to use various methods of payment (e.g. PayPal) where it is harder to determine where the subscriber is based. They recognize that this may cause illegal subscribers but they (of course) would rather err that way than create barriers to legitimate subscribers to sign up.
We have expressed our deep dissatisfaction with their approach and attitude. I’m sure other studios feel the same way, especially as we are now hearing from clients in Australia, South Africa and Iceland (to name a few) where significant numbers of people are able to subscribe to Netflix. Netflix of course get to collect sub revenues and inflate their sub count which in turn boosts their stock on Wall St., so they have every motivation to continue, even if it is illegal.
This issue is almost certainly going to get more heated, since our goal and Netflix’s are in direct opposition.[/quote]
Tbh I can understand Sony in that, they sell the distro rights. If Netflix had to license it for the other territories they'd have to pay more to Sony.
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