Syrian rebels suffer huge losses in Aleppo offensive, retreat - Polidicks

Chernarus plays Arma 2 he KNOWS his STUFF

Overall foreign intervention is a shit idea as it will lead to chemical warfare and a justification by assad to use it. Massive casualties on all sides, civilians taking the brunt of it and would also likely cause shit to rain all over the middle east. [editline]29th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=smurfy;37843460]Chernarus plays Arma 2 he KNOWS his STUFF[/QUOTE] I'm not sure if you're trolling or just severely retarded. ArmA2 isnt even relevant to anything in this discussion, why reply? Seriously that is downright insulting to every casualty in this civil war to use it as a excuse to mock somebody for their interests in a video game. Besides that BS, ArmA2 is communists insurgents vs non-communist arma. That isn't even, bleh I dont understand peoples retardation I have to give up.

Assad is doing a good job. Hopefully he can end this war and once again create a country with religous tolerance. Maybe Nato, US and the muslim brotherhood will finally learn that diplomacy is better then proxy warfare. So much suffering can be avoided. Assad is not a hero, but it is not yet time for him to lose his power. The region and its people are still way to divided. Keeping the country secular would ensure that the minorities in Syria can continue to live there without fear of secterian violence.

[QUOTE=Chernarus;37843331]And neither does the opposition. If foreign intervention comes in I want both sides engaged as hostiles.[/QUOTE] So your solution is basically to just kill everything that moves? Thats very dense and completely defeats the point of an intervention. While I agree that neither side is prettier, the lesser evil is the one we should support. And hopefully after we support them, it will turn out like Libya did.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;37845130]So your solution is basically to just kill everything that moves? Thats very dense and completely defeats the point of an intervention. While I agree that neither side is prettier, the lesser evil is the one we should support. And hopefully after we support them, it will turn out like Libya did.[/QUOTE] My solution is a diplomatic solution, both sides need to lay down their arms, or the rebels need to stop the offensive and send a diplomat to solve the situation, but also Assad needs to realize Syria will become even more a shithole if he does not come to a solution. However this is impossible and war may eventually lead to full scale intervention and thus most likely chemical warfare leading to amazing casualties. In the end there is nothing anybody can do because there are many many different factions involved and each one wants something else, for example Jihadis may not want peace.

Im not for a UN intervention. BUT. I am for some of our more Powerful nations to actually properlly arm the rebels. AK's, Small caliber Rifles, Handguns, and outdated RPG's are in no way enough. Send them some proper anti air weaponary. Get them more Heavy caliber rifles. Get them proper explosives. Also send them some mortars and such. We dont need to intervene but we need to help out in some way. Like send 15 or soe ANTI AIR GUNS. and then help even the fight out. So its all in their hands. This Rebellion has gone on far to long. If you disagree then I dont know whats wrong with you. Evening out a fight is the least we as wealthy nations could do. I know International Diplomacy is a problem, but regardless. Man up. Russia and China wont flip shit by sending them some G3a3's and M4's. Just my thoughts.

[QUOTE=Stalk;37844685]Assad is doing a good job. Hopefully he can end this war and once again create a country with religous tolerance. Maybe Nato, US and the muslim brotherhood will finally learn that diplomacy is better then proxy warfare. So much suffering can be avoided. Assad is not a hero, but it is not yet time for him to lose his power. The region and its people are still way to divided. Keeping the country secular would ensure that the minorities in Syria can continue to live there without fear of secterian violence.[/QUOTE] Are you kidding me? They're dropping bombs filled with TNT and nails as a high-casualty explosive device directly into civilian areas. His troops have been seen killing innocent people and people can't even go to get bread because snipers were killing everyone. I would hardly define that as a "good job"

[QUOTE=ewitwins;37845244]Are you kidding me? They're dropping bombs filled with TNT and nails as a high-casualty explosive device directly into civilian areas. His troops have been seen killing innocent people and people can't even go to get bread because snipers were killing everyone. I would hardly define that as a "good job"[/QUOTE] Neither is suicide bombing a densely populated area. The rebels hide in highly populated areas to blend in then they come out at night and fight. If the rebels want shit to cease they should arm themselves and build military bases, but they can't because Assad has advanced combat aircraft. I'm not justifying it I'm just saying this is what happens in a Insurgency+civilwar+largely conscripted army.

[QUOTE=Chernarus;37845167]My solution is a diplomatic solution, both sides need to lay down their arms, or the rebels need to stop the offensive and send a diplomat to solve the situation, but also Assad needs to realize Syria will become even more a shithole if he does not come to a solution. However this is impossible and war may eventually lead to full scale intervention and thus most likely chemical warfare leading to amazing casualties. In the end there is nothing anybody can do because there are many many different factions involved and each one wants something else, for example Jihadis may not want peace.[/QUOTE] IIRC, Quadafi had chemical weapons in libya, but they were never deployed, even after his capital city was captured by the rebels. I highly doubt Assad would be stupid enough to deploy any sort of chemical weaponry, hes smart enough to know that doing that would cause nato bombs to start dropping all over his stronghold. While everyone laying down their arms and shaking hands and hugging would be an ideal solution, it won't and can't happen. The rebels want revenge for relatives and loved ones that have been murdered by the military, they're not going to put their weapons down and shake the hand of the enemy. Only way this war will end is if one side is eliminated.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;37845327]IIRC, Quadafi had chemical weapons in libya, but they were never deployed, even after his capital city was captured by the rebels. I highly doubt Assad would be stupid enough to deploy any sort of chemical weaponry, hes smart enough to know that doing that would cause nato bombs to start dropping all over his stronghold. While everyone laying down their arms and shaking hands and hugging would be an ideal solution, it won't and can't happen. The rebels want revenge for relatives and loved ones that have been murdered by the military, they're not going to put their weapons down and shake the hand of the enemy. Only way this war will end is if one side is eliminated.[/QUOTE] Gaddafi had no way to deploy them, NATO had air superiority and they were very very well hidden. Libya was city by city, I'm going to guess the big weapons depots were out in the desert. I'm almost certain they would use chemical weapons in Syria if foreign intervention came.. its the only way they could win.

Its so goddamn annoying hearing about all the civilians getting killed when its a direct result of the rebel actions. The rebels are hiding and living amongst the densely populated areas then start fighting from there and then complain about civilian casualties when the government try's to remove them. There will always be collateral damage when that is the situation.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;37845244]Are you kidding me? They're dropping bombs filled with TNT and nails as a high-casualty explosive device directly into civilian areas. His troops have been seen killing innocent people and people can't even go to get bread because snipers were killing everyone. I would hardly define that as a "good job"[/QUOTE] Where did you aquire this information and how do you know it is completely true and unbaised? I know that both sides cause civilian deaths, it is a normal thing in every war. Also have you seen the hundreds of clips of where the rebels beheads and executes both syrian soldiers and innocent civilians? It is a shame that western media wishes to not describe how the situation really is and whats really going on.

[QUOTE=dunkace;37845409]Its so goddamn annoying hearing about all the civilians getting killed when its a direct result of the rebel actions. The rebels are hiding and living amongst the densely populated areas then start fighting from there and then complain about civilian casualties when the government try's to remove them. There will always be collateral damage when that is the situation.[/QUOTE] Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan as a example of this.

[QUOTE=JDER14;37842195]If these guys want a clear chance of winning they need NATO air support. But with China and Russia being dicks and denying the UN power to call on NATO the war is going to continue to drag out. It's still a step backwards, but I don't think the war is lost.[/QUOTE] As long as human rights are not infringed on during the warfare (which the syrians seem to be very carefull not to, including making sure those chemical stockpiles are safe and definitely not used by either side) other nations have no reason, or right to interfere in the soverignity of another nation. The issue with civilian casualties has a lot to do with the way the rebels are set up, which makes it incredibly hard to dislodge them as they're usually set up in relatively densely populated areas. But even so, it seems the syrians are relatively attempting to minimise civilian casualties as opposed to the Lybian army a few months back. [QUOTE=King of Limbs;37845215]Im not for a UN intervention. BUT. I am for some of our more Powerful nations to actually properlly arm the rebels. AK's, Small caliber Rifles, Handguns, and outdated RPG's are in no way enough. Send them some proper anti air weaponary. Get them more Heavy caliber rifles. Get them proper explosives. Also send them some mortars and such. We dont need to intervene but we need to help out in some way. Like send 15 or soe ANTI AIR GUNS. and then help even the fight out. So its all in their hands. This Rebellion has gone on far to long. If you disagree then I dont know whats wrong with you. Evening out a fight is the least we as wealthy nations could do. I know International Diplomacy is a problem, but regardless. Man up. Russia and China wont flip shit by sending them some G3a3's and M4's. Just my thoughts.[/QUOTE] Arming the rebels is pretty much the same as direct intervention when looking at it from a legal and moral level.

[QUOTE=Stalk;37845491]Where did you aquire this information and how do you know it is completely true and unbaised? I know that both sides cause civilian deaths, it is a normal thing in every war. Also have you seen the hundreds of clips of where the rebels beheads and executes both syrian soldiers and innocent civilians? It is a shame that western media wishes to not describe how the situation really is and whats really going on.[/QUOTE] Do you honestly believe that the rebels are all just terrorists that are rebelling for the sake of rebelling?

[QUOTE=wraithcat;37845643]As long as human rights are not infringed on during the warfare (which the syrians seem to be very carefull not to, including making sure those chemical stockpiles are safe and definitely not used by either side) other nations have no reason, or right to interfere in the soverignity of another nation. [/QUOTE] You're right, every human rights violation reported so far that was supposedly committed by the government and it's allies were just western propaganda. assad 2k13

[QUOTE=Stalk;37845491]Where did you aquire this information and how do you know it is completely true and unbaised? [/QUOTE] When just about every high level official who has defected has said the same thing you can draw pretty accurate conclusions.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;37842867]Yeap, country should be allowed to slaughter their people like they want too.[/QUOTE] said the guy from America, where the convicts are executed

[QUOTE=FluD;37845943]said the guy from America, where the convicts are executed[/QUOTE] Because obviously EVERY American supports EVERY thing that their government and countrmen does.

[QUOTE=FluD;37845943]said the guy from America, where the convicts are executed[/QUOTE] Yep, ya got me

slaves of lamp, put their children in front of the lamp let them grow with her, and agree with all that she said

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;37845647]Do you honestly believe that the rebels are all just terrorists that are rebelling for the sake of rebelling?[/QUOTE] Not at all. But what i do belive is that the sunni. Who belong to the majority of people in Syria will take advantage of democracy to drive away and cause harm to alawite and shia monorities.

[QUOTE=Stalk;37846526]Not at all. But what i do belive is that the sunni. Who belong to the majority of people in Syria will take advantage of democracy to drive away and cause harm to alawite and shia monorities.[/QUOTE] Not every muslim is an extremist.